Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.
I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.
I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.
After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.
did you really just apologize about downplaying what black fans go through – then call the person who brought it up to you and, who you were being flippant to in the first place, a bitch in your tags while also saying ‘you understand her reasons’?
that’s not highly suspect in your damn mind that saying one thing and then say that in your goddamn tags?
My fault for taking it out of context. She was being a bitch on another post which was the catalyst for my blocking her, not this exchange. At the very least I wasn’t in a place where I could deal with her, nor did I think it productive to interact, when she was calling me a coward and racist for saying I would delete repeat asks. Ironic, considering that I answered her own ask after making that announcement because I decided she did make a novel point. See my other reply on this thread for the link if you’re curious. (I see that your note was actually earlier, maybe I didn’t scroll far enough to see it.)
I think she has every reason to be angry at fandom’s awful treatment of Black fans. What she doesn’t get to do is call me a coward over having boundaries and otherwise treat me like shit over something I’ve already explained. If she’s not satisfied with that explanation, fine; she can block me and stay away. She doesn’t get to insult and harass me over it.
Thank you! I’m normally a villain fan and villain/hero shipper, too and I LOVE redemption stories, but this cult of woobification surrounding BS and the dismissal of Finn among a million other things have turned me right off reylow. On the shallowest basis I just don’t find Kylo/Rey attractive so I probably would not have been a big shipper in any case, but the state of the fandom is an unmitigated dumpster fire as you say. Also BS just is not the kind of villain who lends himself to redemption stories, at least not the sort I’d find palatable. Maybe Jailbird Ren could, after decades of hard work and facing terrible truths about himself, but that sure doesn’t fit in a 2.5-hour action movie.
Some of you may be aware of the utter shitfire that my blog has become for the last day or so. You can read the post that first made the issue visible (link), and/or the one where I tried to clarify my stance (link) followed by a cliff notes version (link). There are also a bunch of other tiresome back-and-forths that have consumed this blog, if you have the time and fucks to give.
Given that some people are calling me a reylow now and have expressed discomfort at interacting with me, while others have given their support, at this point I’m a little uncertain who is comfortable with me following or reblogging from them and I don’t want to unwittingly cross anyone’s boundaries. So if you no longer want me interacting with you, please block me so there will be no misunderstanding or discomfort. Thank you.
Anon is off again! When I said do your worst there was no need to take it as a challenge lol
Hey, thanks for the support! Yeah I figured people deserved an explanation, but I think I’ve said about everything I can for now and it’s probably a good time to turn off anon again smh
Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.
I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.
I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.
After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.
Those are your tags. You “apologise” then in the tags continue calling someone ”a bitch” AND IN THE SAME BREATH saying she “deserves to be mad”. Make up your mind. You are being very dodgy as a non black with how you choose to interact with black people. I always knew you felt a sense of correct entitlement because of your age and the fact that people feel that you are an anti (which, is also currently suspect LMFAO) but now I think you’re starting to show your true colours.
I should have been clearer, I blocked ssg not because of this exchange but because she called me a coward when I said I was no longer publishing asks on the subject of shipping discourse that made no new points (link). Someone who baits and insults me for having boundaries and not wanting my blog to be endlessly repetitive is not someone I have time for. I spoke wrongly in response to her and I regret that. This was about correcting my own mistake, not pathetically seeking the approval of someone who dislikes me and calls me names.
As for her having good reasons to be mad, I meant just that: she has good, valid reasons to be angry because Black fans are treated like shit in this fandom and most others. That doesn’t mean I am obligated to interact with her or have her come into my inbox constantly.
I’m amused that you think being an anti is a source of moral correctness for me when rather the opposite would appear to be true. Seriously every fandom faction has been trash at some point–some, like reylos, more than others–and using identification with any one of them as a source of moral validation just fails on its face, almost as much as using age in the same way.
Please feel free to block me if you think I’m not acting in good faith. In fact I’d prefer it, since I’m not sure right now who’s comfortable interacting with me and I’d rather not unwittingly step on anyone’s boundaries.
I prefer text or video at different times, I think. By default I prefer text, too, for the speed advantage, but there are also times when the words blur together and I want more audiovisual stimulation. Video that doesn’t require constant attention on the visuals (Moth’s don’t, for instance) can serve a similar function to podcasts for listening to while I do other things. I’ll continue to write metas after I start the channel, especially since writing itself helps me organize my thoughts. The finished essay makes a good basis for a video script, too.
Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.
I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.
I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.
After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.
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