I have said where I stand. Many many times. Go read any one of those posts if you really want to know. I mean do you consider someone who hates the whole idea of reylo and really fucking hates that section of fandom to be a reylo? If someone who dislikes reylo so much and calls them out regularly is an anti, then I’m an anti. Am I both?
Or, like, consider a third possibility: maybe you can both dislike a thing deeply and explore those feelings of dislike and distaste through fanworks. By your logic, anyone who writes about rape is a rape apologist and anyone who writes about abuse is an abuse apologist. If your thinking is that simplistic and out of touch with reality then yeah, you shouldn’t follow me.
What did I claim to be against? I have never, not once, said people should not ship reylo. I have repeatedly said people can ship what they want. I have spoken against erasing and demonizing Finn. I have spoken against whitewashing, I’ve spoken against woobifying a villain, I have spoken against abuse apologism and war crimes apologism. If you think I have done any of these things I have been against, you’ll have to explain how.
If you don’t think I’m genuine in being repulsed by the crap thay goes on in reylow fandom then nothing I say can convince you. I don’t say this to blame you, you probably have good reason to be wary and I’m certainly not automatically entitled to anyone’s trust. I mean, just literally, I can’t say anything to convince you. There’s nothing I can say in one post that would outweigh what I’ve said in the three previous asks I’ve gotten on the subject, to say nothing of 2.5 years of fandom blogging.
If you think anyone who even entertains thoughts of reylo (even in disgust) or creates reylo content (even ones critical of the whole idea) is not worth your trust, then you should by no means trust me. And again, you must have your reasons for that, so listen to yourself. Trying to make yourself trust someone you have already lost faith in is not fair to you, and repeatedly demanding proof beyond the honest answers I’ve already given is not fair to me.
It’s not like there was an entire elucidation of the different meanings of shipping right below, right? I have said exactly where I stand on each of those senses, so if anything it was the opposite of an evasion. If you can see me say I would abandon SW if reylow became canon, that I think it’s abusive and toxic, that their bs widdle woobie Ben Solo only exists to erase Finn, if you’ve seen me rail against reylows’ abuse apologism, war crimes apologism, misogyny, and racism for close to three years now and you still can’t trust me–then you won’t trust me no matter what. Simple as that.
“Rian Johnson wasn’t hired to do Episode IX because he’s too busy! JJ was available and doing nothing!”
JJ Abrams is probably one of the most sought after directors in the business right now and talk whatever crap you want about him, his name right now is attached to some of the critical acclaimed things that it would take longer to list than it would be to list the almost laughable resume Rian Johnson has.
Disney and Lucasfilm had to do freaking backflips and jump threw fire hoops just to get JJ Abrams from Paramount. Disney and Lucasfilm had to pay to hire JJ Abrams, just so they could pay him again, just so he legally could work on IX.
Put that into perspective. Disney and Lucasfilm would have rather spent millions to get JJ Abrams back, then give Johnson Episode IX and watch him completely destroy the franchise beyond repair that even Sony’s Amazing Spider-Man 2 would blush at how bad he fucked up a franchise.
JJ Abrams was hired to come back to direct IX because Rian Johnson was poison and everyone knows it. IMO, Johnson’s trilogy officially died the same day Bob Iger apologized for letting Lucasfilm be ran so ass backwards and then killed off any spinoff movies till only Qui-Gon Jin knows when.
If anyone is expecting to get more of TLJ is IX, I hate to break it to you, Disney and Lucasfilm want IX to be nothing like that hot piece of trash. They can’t publicly bash it or disown it due to that would make them look bad, but be assure that they Rian Johnson screwed up. If they didn’t think that, Johnson would be the one directing IX, not JJ. If anyone, including Johnson says otherwise, they don’t understand filmmaker, in denial, or a damn liar.
Seriously, if they wanted a repeat or direct continuation of TLJ why wouldn’t they just use RJ who would’ve been way easier and cheaper to get?
It would be disturbingly cheaper. Just comparing JJ’s IMDb page to Johnson’s is laughable. The only other big films Johnson has done besides TLJ, was The Brothers Bloom (2008) and Looper (2012). Both of which are now forgotten. Meanwhile if you blink, JJ Abrams has already sneaked into your home and uploaded a copy of his new Cloverfiled movie that is just a 2 and half teaser for IX.
The lengths some people go to in order to worship RJ makes me laugh. Honestly he is the worst. He caused a bitter split in the Star Wars fandom and screwed up a 40 year old franchise. Give me JJ over RJ any day.
Do you have links for the Bob Iger apology and the official cancellation of RJ’s trilogy? I would love to read them if you do!
@skywalkerrains Here is the interview The Hollywood Reporter did with Iger a couple months ago where he basically admitted that he made a mistake in pumping out so much so soon:
As far as I’m aware (someone correct me if I’m wrong), RJ’s trilogy hasn’t been officially cancelled or anything, but many people think it is because in recent interviews with higher ups, such as this one, they haven’t mentioned the trilogy when talking about future projects and I haven’t heard any news about the trilogy in months. I personally don’t think it will happen, but that there won’t be any official announcement since that might look bad. I think they would just bank on most people forgetting that it was ever a thing.
@awesomeswimmer21 Thank you so much! I hope like crazy RJ’s trilogy gets offically cancelled.
That would be a glorious day indeed : D
IMO I doubt it’ll happen. Johnson’s trilogy will just get locked in “development” for years until its’ eventually canceled due to schedule conflicts. If Johnson was actually going to be making a new trilogy, do you think he would have started working on his busted ass new film “Knives Out” or been working with Lucasfilm to start production on his new set? The fact that Lucasfilm hasn’t mentioned a word about this says something loud.
The last news including facts about this trilogy was RJ saying it was so hard to write bc it didn’t include the Skywalkers. We all know he couldn’t write shit even WITH the Skywalkers. I would bet that there isn’t even a half solid outline for this trilogy out there…
Who knew that handing a multimillion dollar movie to a director with zero blockbuster experience and very little cred in even indie productions wouldn’t turn out well? The outcome was impossible to predict! ¯_(ツ)_/¯
What even is the meaning of shipping? There are actually multiple meanings.
Canonshipping as endgame? Hell to the nooooo. As I have said multiple times, if that happens SW is dead to me.
Fanshipping? Only in the sense I think it’s a horrible abusive dynamic, and not even the most interesting I’ve seen tbh. Also the fan community for reylow is horrible and I’m not going near it.
Hateshipping might be an applicable term, as in I totally hate the idea and examining why can be interesting.
Crackshipping, kinda. I think that’s what it is at heart anyway. My Blurred Lines video is all kinds of (disturbing, horrible) crack.
Cope shipping might actually apply, since I experienced the kinds of isolation and gaslighting tactics Kylo used on Rey. Definitely not in the sense that I’m going to pretend it’s healthy and that shitty treatment equals love. I told that lie to myself for too long, and it almost destroyed my life. I’m definitely not going to tell that lie to others.
While on the topic of Finn, it occurred to me today that he does exactly what Kylo’s family/Rey wants Benny Boy to do: reject the First Order and find his place along the “good guys.” Now, this could be completely unrelated, BUT maybe Finn rejecting the First Order and becoming a “good guy” (I honestly don’t know why I feel the need to use quotation marks for this) is foreshadowing of Kylo’s story or maybe a parallel of some sorts? Regardless, Kylo and Finn start out the trilogy in pretty similar positions and then go down very different paths from that point. I’m hoping they have some sort of interaction that highlights the similarities of their stories in Episode IX cause Finn and Kylo actually have a lot in common.
Finn and Kylo are each others’ foils, as they contrast each other in every way.
Finn is not a device for Kylo’s story, he’s a protagonist, so I highly doubt his story is meant to foreshadow Kylo becoming a “good guy.”
Kylo highlights Finn’s heroism, not the other way around. If anything, Finn’s story highlights Kylo’s lack of anything resembling heroism, because Kylo was actually handed freedom from the FO on a silver platter multiple times and refused, while Finn, who made the choice to leave all on his own, had to fight his way out, and put himself at a grave risk by leaving.
There is one sense in which Finn’s choice might be seen as a foreshadowing for Kylo’s redemption: A mistaken one, and it was done in TLJ. Rey’s goal of bringing Kylo to the Light and her belief that he would turn make a lot more sense if she was thinking of Finn and how he turned away from evil. Except Kylo yet again proved himself to be the opposite of Finn and made their contrasts all the clearer. So, in my opinion, the foreshadowing that op theorized about has already been played with and discarded.
I’m also curious, what do Finn and Kylo Ren have in common? I’ve actually tried to think of something, anything, and didn’t come up with much. For the most part I only see contrasts.
Contrasts:
Birth and background: Stolen from a family he never knew/Grew up with loving parents and uncles galore
Personality: Exceptional empathy considered to be his only problem/Showed signs of entitlement and violence
Affiliation: Left an evil organization/Voluntarily joined one
Circumstances of changing sides: Refused to kill innocents/Willingly killed innocents
Relationship with Poe: Rescue, friendship/Capture, torture
Relationship with Rey: Helping, affirming/Hurting, tearing down
Endgame with abuser: Refuted Phasma’s abusive training/tried to continue Snoke’s abuse with Rey in his old role
Commonalities:
Left family for an education–but only if we reeeeallly stretch the definition of “left” and “education” in Finn’s case
Both considered exceptional and talented in training–which is not saying much tbh, action movie heroes and villains tend to be extraordinary individuals
Went from a place of doubt to certainty: The only commonality I can really see, if we interpret Kylo Ren’s internal conflict as doubt.
So I’m not seeing “a lot” in common, personally, maybe I’m missing something.
L.J.'s Obsessions 