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Why a resistance? Why The Resistance?

I’ve seen plenty of people ask what they’re supposed to be resisting, with a multitude of differing answers being provided, but never this. Never, why a resistance?

And people seem to forget, or just never having know, what a resistance is. Why it is created.

Resistances aren’t created to win wars or defeat enemies, they’re made to make it as costly as possible for the enemy to operate in a given territory. They might be able to get the enemy to pull out of a given territory if operation there becomes too costly for them, but they can’t defeat them. That’s now how they work or what they’re meant for.

Now look at The Resistance in TFA, when it actually is a resistance. What does it have?

A dozen or so starfighters, half of which are destroyed in the assault on Starkiller Base. The capital ships aren’t seen until TLJ and I very much doubt JJ ever intended for The Resistance to have those. I mean, Leia assaults Starkiller Base with just that dozen of starfighters. Given the gravity of the situation that makes no sense if she had those capital ships.

Then they have maybe a handful of troop transports/cargo ships. And the crew for them, along with some ground staff, technical staff and medical personnel among them.

But. That. Is. It. That’s all The Resistance has.

No people ask how Leia intended to win against the First Order with this. And also what she believed Luke would be able to do.

But she never intended to win anything with The Resistance. She intended to throw as many hydrospanners in the First Order machinery as she could, make it as difficult for them to operate, postponing the time where they would attack the Republic. All the while trying to wake up the Senate and the general public to the danger they presented.

And I think, to have a fallback group if she couldn’t and the First Order did attack successfully. Then she had a good start on a guerrilla group. But her main plan was never a war against the First Order, it was in a word, resistance.

So what about Luke? I very much doubt she intended him to take on the First Order, or even Snoke and the Knights of Ren head on. He was yet one more spanner she could throw into the First Order machinery.

But since this was JJ’s set up, then he might always have intended for it to turn into a guerrillas vs large organized military.

So TLJ may have changed nothing, done absolutely nothing that affected the plot in anyway. Except kill off Snoke – but we never learned his abilities as military commander and Hux seemed to shoulder that part anyway – and kill off Luke Skywalker too – but given the existence of Force ghosts that might not even be that big a change. Apart from JJ not having to worry about how to prevent Luke from overshadowing the heroic leads.

It’s depressing how little TLJ actually did in terms of moving the story forward. I guess something like 80% of the Resistance is wiped out and that’s supposed to be a devastating blow, but there’s no narrative consequence or impact from that. Leia explicitly hands the torch to the guy who the narrative blames for this disaster. We don’t see anyone except Rose early on grieving or traumatized by losing their friends and comrades. The ending has a completely undeserved and, under the circumstances, disturbing upbeat vibe despite all this loss of life. The Resistance were always underdog fighters, and now they’re just even more underdog fighters without the narrative or emotional consequences to show for it. It’s just yet another way in which TLJ was a waste of a middle installation.

At this point I’m pretty disgusted with the way LF is handling the reyl0 problem. No I don’t think there is anything they could do to kill it but they could, you know, NOT fan the flames. I’ve got no sympathy left for Fry and him having to deal with reyl0s, he’s been around long enough, he bloody well knows how that lot are going to interpret his latest comments. I’m sure JJ is aware of how the reyl0s have interpreted TFA by now and he’s said nothing.

Daisy has said unequivocally that she’s against it, John has said he ships Finnrey, and JJ compared the FO to neo-Nazis and specifically mentioned the idolization of Vader in that connection. These are the people who are still under contract with LF for IX.

Fry at this point is not affiliated with LF beyond writing a novelization. His statement has as much weight as that of Claudia Gray (Bloodline) who said she’d be okay with reylow if Kylo was redeemed, and of E.K. Johnston (Queen’s Shadow) who said she saw a rape analogy in the torture scene–that is, none. These authors have their different opinions, and are fans speculating just like the rest of us.

This is what a lot of black fans were trying to tell people. Finn’s inclusion was a bait and switch to ease the way for reylo it at the least “Ben” saving Rey and not dying. People didn’t want to listen to us the ln and now are acting all surprised when a racist white like Fry acts like a racist cishet white man.

If that’s true I might as well bail now because like, talk about do not want. I know a lot of other fans would be pissed, too.

That last part in Rogue One where Vader is standing on the ship, looking through the airlock watching Leia’s cruiser blast away into hyperspace, has so much Star Tours energy… For once, I actually love the reminder that this is a Disney-distributed film…

Yeah, I love the way RO had all these callbacks and references that made us excited and energized about a movie that came out 40 years ago. It really FELT like Star Wars, you know?

Fry is an idiot. If Ren forcibly invading Rey’s mind and seeing her vulnerabilities is somehow intimate or relationship like to him then following his logic it must have also been like that when he did the same damn thing to Poe’s mind and yet no mention of that. It’s almost like people will read anything into straight interactions even if they would find it nonsensical if someone made the same point about a situation between 2 men…

But you know, a forcible violation is romantic if she’s merely crying in pain and not screaming loudly enough to shatter a droid’s audio recepticles… 🙂

Ok but that’s bull shit. The closest analogue to a romantic relationship that happens in that movie is finnrey and Jason Fry is just another racist “keep that n—— away from that precious white girl.” I can’t see how this is in doubt,” clarification or not.

It’s disturbing to me, too, that evidently things like consent, well-being, and like, actual love don’t seem to enter into Mr. Fry’s “romance” analogy. And it’s disheartening that Finn and Rey’s actually romantic interactions get such short shrift, though I’m pretty sure he was steered away from discussing that at all (if he was ever inclined to talk about it) because he was on a Reylow podcast.

Speaking of which, things somehow get even more disgusting and weird after the part I transcribed. The interviewer talks about how Reylow brought so many female fans into SW and energized them, and then says a lot of Reylos would pay very good money for novelizations from Rey’s and Kylo’s PoVs. They both laugh about it, saying IX should finish first, but it’s like she’s waving money in her guest’s face and I don’t see how that’s appropriate at all? Is this how USAmericans talk about money? Reylows have repeatedly invoked business rationale in support of their ship as though they could buy their way into it, and I find it deeply obnoxious.

I mean, the guy lives in America, right? So, he’s probably heard of Judaism and Christianity. Mordecai and Esther? Deborah and Barak? Jesus and Mary Magdalene? How have the interviewer and Fry never heard of a culture where “man and woman, seeing each other’s pain and being supportive” isn’t necessarily romantic? What kind of “men and women can’t be friends” nonsense is this? (Moth)

That is, young white men and women can’t be friends. Finn can pour his soul out to Rey and she can begin to heal from lifelong trauma thanks to him, all without any manipulation, violence, or trickery involved, but they’re just friends/siblings lmao.

Jason Fry replied a reylo tweet and said “To be clear, this is part of a larger discussion of how their relationship might turn romantic … or might not. A romantic relationship being the closest analogue is as much about the inadequacy of the comparison as it is about the possibility. We’ll find out next December!”

He was clarifying his own words that a shipper transcribed from his interview (link).

Here are his fuller remarks:

Fry: You mentioned the hut scene, and looking ahead to IX, Rian has jokingly called it the equivalent of a sex scene. It’s just funny, but it has some truth in it, and that’s one thing I find so interesting about Rey and Ben. You know, there are shippers, my pals the Reylos, who want to see that as a romantic relationship ultimately, and you know, that’s entirely possible. They certainly may be right about that, or they might not be. Everything in the storytelling is so nicely poised to go either way.

The other thing, when you think about it, is that I don’t think it’s wrong in any way to think that it’s in some ways like a romantic relationship, but that’s also limiting. You know, like, a romantic relationship is kind of the closest analogue we have to the experience that Rey and Ben are having in that movie, and that they actually started having back in The Force Awakens. They have literally been in each other’s minds, they have seen each other’s past, they’ve seen each other’s deepest fears. Ben sees what Rey has basically lied to herself about, and you know, that’s an experience that’s more intimate than anything any of us ever had. So we end up kind of reaching for analogues to something we can’t actually know. Which is fascinating! I can see that story developing any number of ways. I’m really interested to see which it’s going to be, or if it’s going to be something I hadn’t even thought of.

Interviewer: Yeah, it’s so interesting and it could be, like, a cultural difference, too. Like, maybe there’s a culture out there that, you know, being close together, man and woman, seeing each other’s pain and being supportive wouldn’t come off as romantic, but it’s the only- as you said, the only analogy we can pull on, in the society we’re writing this in.

Fry: Plus, again, it’s a middle chapter. You know, after IX, you know, the arc of that story, we’ll be able to see it all and it will make sense to us. “Okay, that was headed here!” But right now we’re speculating, and most of the time people speculating are having fun about it. Sometimes–I waded into a little bitty (?) shipper brush fire last night, in fact, but that happens. As long as people are entertaining themselves and arguing in a fun way, you know, all to it (?).