Episode IX idea: no more galactic governments. Everything becomes local to planets or planetary systems after the First Order is defeated. The Jedi Order is decentralized and everyone basically does their own thing. Not only is this something Star Wars hasn’t done before, it opens up so many possibilities going forward in that era once the curtain falls on the Skywalkers. (Anthology films only from this point on, please, Lucasfilm.)

Well, maybe. Leia was a Populist senator, after all. I get the feeling that even if the New Republic collapsed and never recovered, the worlds would start building alliances and trade blocs for governance and survival. There was a reason the Republic was created in the first place, after all.

Ending the Skywalker line like that would be subversive, but I think that the price of the total eradication of anything good in the legacies of the original cast is too high. Rey and Finn were already heroically inclined; all Han did was drive them around, so I don’t think they count for him or Leia, and Luke barely did anything with Rey, so I question whether that counts either.

Continuing a legacy doesn’t mean you have to be taught from scratch, or that you are made to do things you would not do otherwise. The fact that someone is already doing what the legacy represents seems to me an argument for, not against, their being a fitting successor. Han showed Finn and Rey trust and affection that neither of them had known, and Leia continued that by believing in and respecting Finn from the start and showing Rey immediate, unconditional love. Luke’s relationship with Rey was lacking, as was TLJ itself, but at least there’s the aspect of him teaching her with his failures and by overcoming them. 

Also, if you recall, the context of the discussion is whether Kylo Ren is an inheritor of the Skywalker legacy. No matter how unsatisfactory you may find the handing of the torch between the old and new trios, it’s far and away more positive than the interactions with the man who destroyed everything his father, mother, and uncle worked for. No matter how you feel about Finn, Rey, and Poe as inheritors of the Skywalker legacy, it can’t be grounds for an argument that Kylo Ren is a better inheritor by virtue of his birth.

Rian is a white man but people (especially reylos) want me to believe he is the most feminist person ever for make Rey cry and call Kylo “Ben :(“. Also where she get her new clothes that is too similar to her outfit from Jakku? Nothing make sense

RJ’s brand of “feminism:” Women’s stories being devoted to making men into better people is female empowerment! 🙂

I mean I might not like the way it was handled but at least Rey’s story of trying to save Kylo Ren was shown to be a failure and involved her own flaws and biases (link). With Holdo and Rose the idea of the wise, knowing woman teaching the wayward man is played straight and we’re supposed to view that as feminist for Reasons.

diversehighfantasy:

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Found this on reddit, some basic Kylo apologia, just making up its own “facts”:

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Really?

It’s only one of the most iconic parts of the Original Trilogy.

I immediately smelled bullshit there. Also OP is in direct contradiction both with Adam Driver’s statement about Kylo Ren’s elitism and with Kylo Ren calling Rey “nothing” because of her family.

It’s hilarious seeing the reyl0s insist that Kylo HAS to be redeemed because he is a Skywalker and those are the rules of Star Wars. And he HAS to get a happily ever after because he’s the last Skywalker so no way are they going to let the last Skywalker die un-redeemed,what kind of a message would that send to the kids? And these are the same people who insisted Rey couldn’t be a Skywalker b/c SW needed to move away from them and constantly accused us of ‘think of the children’ pearl clutchers

So the rules don’t apply to Benny evidently… what a surprise. Ending the Skywalker line with an unredeemed Kylo Ren while the best parts of the legacy are continued by Finn, Rey, and Poe is both consistent with the story so far and actually subversive in the true sense.