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All right, “defend” was too strong a word. I’ll downgrade to “understand.” Though I would also say that Finn’s plan was downright immoral, as it’d deprive Resistance members of an escape pod while he wasn’t even in immediate danger. But yes, Rose was also trigger-happy there.

I mean I guess people can do a lot of violent and unjustifiable things in the heat of rage and grief. What bothers me about TLJ is that there is no acknowledgment that what Rose did was, at the very least, over the top and uncalled for.

The second part of your ask is an off-topic diversion. The conversation was about whether Rose was justified in using violence against Finn when he was not threatening her in any way and there was no indication he could not be talked out of his plan. I happen to disagree with you that his plan was immoral, but let me ask you a more fundamental question: Why does it matter? Do people who make an immoral plan deserve to be physically hurt and humiliated, especially when they can be stopped without such violence? Why did you change the topic to Finn’s immorality when the topic is about the immorality of the violence used against him?

I think you really need to examine why you’re so eager to justify and victim-blame here, and are unable to admit Rose was wrong without bringing up the irrelevant issue of Finn’s wisdom and morality.

While it was a bad filmmaking choice, to say the least, I will defend Rose tasing Finn in-universe. Using an escape pod–a craft that can, IIRC, fit six people–by yourself to leave a ship before it’s in danger of being destroyed strikes me as an untoward thing to.

I’m still trying to process how you went from “Finn was going to do an unwise thing” to “Rose was right to tase a completely unthreatening and unarmed Finn, throwing him into a wall and knocking him unconscious.” Even if you think he should have been prevented from taking a pod, what about the situation prompted you to think Rose used a proportional or justified amount of violence? Why do you think Finn couldn’t be, you know, talked to?

thelastjedicritical:

Women kicking the asses of men who treat them like shit… that belongs into a feminist movie. Women being mean to men and physically harming men who haven’t done anything wrong is not feminist and thus it doesn’t belong into a feminist movie. Women hurting men who haven’t done anything bad for comedy is not feminist. It’s that easy. 

And it’s ESPECIALLY repugnant when the man so harmed is part of a group that’s brutalized and killed irl. It’s not cute or endearing, it sets the woman up as disturbed and violent.

lj-writes:

I’m in late Season 1 so nobody spoil me, but I never seem to see a child in The Good Place (as in the afterlife, not the show–we obviously see the main characters as children in flashbacks) and it’s wigging me out. If there are only the Good Place and the Bad Place after death, and there are no children in TGP, what does that mean? They don’t seem to meet the requirements for going to TGP because of course they’re selfish and obnoxious fucks, they’re kids! Is there a separate place for deceased children? Do they get a U-turn reincarnation because it’s too early, and if so what’s the cutoff line–the age of reason? Age of drinking? Or is the unthinkable true and is the system even more fucked up than it seems?

@awakening5 Oh we have SO many theories and questions swirling around. SPOILERS BELOW

My current theory is that no one, or at least none of the main cast, actually earned a spot in TGP. I mean come on, they all mean well but other than Real Eleanor and the like are any of them really in the top 1% or whatever of humanity for selfless goodness? Maybe the “bugs” in the system are someone’s–or something’s–attempt to fix a deeply unjust system. My husband suspects Michael is behind it all, while I suspect Janet. Maybe this yet-unseen Shawn (Sean?) has something to do with it.

I mean the thing with Real Eleanor and Fake Eleanor? Maybe an honest clerical error. But Jason and Jianyu? That’s too much. I even wondered if Jianyu is a real monk who’s in the Bad Place because of a mixup like Real Eleanor, but my husband thinks the show is unlikely to do the same plot twice and I agree. Which means there are now TWO known bugs, and I suspect many more, in what’s supposedly an infallible system. That can’t be a coincidence. Was Jianyu even a real Taiwanese monk, or was the identity a pretext to get Jason into TGP? I guess we’ll get at least a few answers today, since we plan to watch the last three episodes of Season 1 today.

@lidicores Thanks! I guess it comes of being the mother of a young child. My husband was thunderstruck and creeped out when I pointed it out, too. Maybe like @cantina-band and @foxbullfrog said it’s nbd and no one wants to deal with depressing shit like kids dying in a comedy show. Heck, we’ve only seen one neighborhood, maybe there’s a more kid-friendly paradise elsewhere with unlimited sweets and water slides, and the people who loved them in life join them there :’)

I’m in late Season 1 so nobody spoil me, but I never seem to see a child in The Good Place (as in the afterlife, not the show–we obviously see the main characters as children in flashbacks) and it’s wigging me out. If there are only the Good Place and the Bad Place after death, and there are no children in TGP, what does that mean? They don’t seem to meet the requirements for going to TGP because of course they’re selfish and obnoxious fucks, they’re kids! Is there a separate place for deceased children? Do they get a U-turn reincarnation because it’s too early, and if so what’s the cutoff line–the age of reason? Age of drinking? Or is the unthinkable true and is the system even more fucked up than it seems?

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[I don’t think Dukat was really evil until after his daughter was killed. And even then, he had had a mental breakdown and was hallucinating, so I don’t think he was fully responsible for his actions.]

Oh my God what the FUCK anon Dukat was responsible for the deaths of millions of Bajorans during the occupation, and he wanted Bajorans to thank him for it. In fact Ziyal was his daughter from a Bajoran woman during the occupation. Like what the hell. The man is a known mass murderer and rapist long before his daughter was even born, and he wasn’t evil? What does someone have to do to even count as evil in your eyes?