Tag: anon

It’s a little off sometimes, the way that you’ll argue or mock a rey////lo who is nearly 20 years younger than you, or a teenager. Not disagreeing with your actual stance on anything, just…you’re a person in your late 30’s. Picking fights with kids or very young adults. And this isn’t about one recent incident, I’ve noticed you’ve done it a few times. Shouldn’t the ‘fandom elders’ be a little more mature?

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As far as I can tell, the only times I’ve actually initiated contact with reyyylos–especially younger ones–is when they’re derailing posts or crosstagging. That’s bad manners, plain and simple, and how would they know to do better unless they’re told they’re doing wrong? And I’m certainly not going to just smile and nod at people who contact me first to be rude, no matter what their age.

Now if I’m wrong about this and I’ve actually gone out of my lane to pick on young shippers that is clearly out of line on my part, and if you can point out such instances I’ll apologize and not repeat such incidents. Nowadays I don’t really even bother contacting them for the most part though, I just screenshot and mock like I know they did with my posts.

I was curious enough to go through my own #anti reylo and later, #and furthermore tags to look back at my own interactions with Reylos in the past half year or so, and here’s what I found:

Calling out a shipper for saying someone should die for not liking TLJ

Telling off some 19-year-old shipper I’d never heard of who sent me an ask implying I was wasting my time with Finnrey

Verbally slapping down the kid when she had the gall to send me another ask

Asking a reylo shipper who hopped on my post to leave me alone and blocking them when they didn’t

Screenshotting and commenting on a reylo derail of a Finn appreciation post

Calling out Finnrey (among others) tag invasion by a reylo

Another tag invasion callout

Giving an answer to a reylo shipper (ostensibly) seeking facts

Correcting someone, not gently I’ll admit, who got in my notes mistakenly accusing me of crosstagging

Yet another case of a reylo invading the finnrey tag

Another case of answering a reylo who had a seemingly honest question

So like, exactly which of these instances–and these are pretty much all of them I could find as far back as 2017, feel free to go look for more if you have the stomach for it–constitute picking fights with younger fans, anon? Should I have been gentler in pointing out things like crosstagging or suicide baiting, or just ignored it because that’s evidently the mature thing to do? Should I have been nicer to people who got into my notes or inbox?

Have you seen the post saying B99 isn’t cop propaganda & the reasoning is proof that the propaganda worked? It’s ironic that middle class white liberals on here are telling black critiquers of copaganda like B99 to “go outside” while relaying the exact propaganda the “not all cops” show instils in the viewers. Also worth noting that they bring up how ~diverse~ the cast of B99 is and how “woke” the cast is while silencing the voices of bloggers who rightfully say that it’s propaganda.

Full disclosure: Idk exactly which post you’re talking about but I know a long-term fandom friend wrote a post like that which was fairly popular, and I’ve watched my more recent fandom friends react negatively to that. As a result this has been slightly awkward for me to discuss. I lean toward “it is propaganda” myself, which is why I don’t reblog much B99 stuff despite seeing it frequently on my dash.

I get that what draws people to B99 isn’t the cop aspect, necessarily, but the nuanced handling of diverse and queer characters. At the same time, that doesn’t make it any less propaganda. Propaganda can be artistic and entertaining, it can tug on heartstrings and get you to love the characters. Some great pieces of fiction have been propaganda, like Casablanca.

From what little I’ve seen of the show, it presents an ideal of cops as they should be, as a number of cop shows throughout the history of American TV have but with a more 21st-century twist of diversity in race, culture, and sexuality. Many fans have pointed to the show’s handling of police brutality, but from what I’ve seen the episode to deal with the issue most directly shows one of the Black cops as a victim of racial profiling, not a perpetrator.

Which raises the question: Does the show deal with the systemic issues that encourage even well-meaning cops, including nonwhite ones like the ones that headline the show, to racially profile and brutalize citizens they are sworn to protect? Are these characters subjected to the pressure to dehumanize, to overpolice Black and Latinx neighborhoods, to meet racist quotas? Are these police dressed down and even penalized for not stopping and frisking Black and Latinx youths?

As far as I can tell, that’s not true of our crew of lovable prankster cops. Showrunner Dan Goor has said as much in his interview with Buzzfeed: “Our particular squad — our heroes — we’ve always made sure are good
cops and model the kind of behavior and techniques that we would hope
all cops exhibit.” Also: “What is our way into the issue [of racial profiling], given that we portray our cops as cops
who wouldn’t racially profile somebody, or who wouldn’t stop-and-frisk
somebody? How do we bring those issues to the fore?”

This is pretty as baldly “a few bad apples” rhetoric as you can get without saying the exact words. The flip side of saying these cops are good apples who would never racially profile someone is that it’s the other cops, the bad ones, who do that. And that’s not only bunk, it’s a dangerous lie because the same police who really are protecting and serving (or pranking and shitting, whatever) are the ones who either commit these acts of brutality, or are cowed into complicity.

So yeah, I think B99 is propaganda. It doesn’t mean it necessarily works on everyone who watches it, but it sure seems to confirm the biases of those who want to believe the lie that good, loving, lovable police don’t do these awful things. That there is such a thing as a good cop in a rotten system–or, even more dangerously, that the system is not rotten from the core. I have no issues with anyone loving and enjoying the show, but I do get tired of people insisting that if they love a show it must be Unproblematic and Perfect and Virtuous. Hey news flash, there’s no such thing.

I watched Infinity War and idk if I’m the first one to draw this parallel, but Thanos is basically a purple rian dick. Remember for TLJ, rian said the movie was about “Balance”? And rian wrecked everything dear to the SW fandom for funsies? In IW, Thanos proclaims he’s all about bringing “Balance”, and we have Wakanda getting wrecked for no good reason. Idk if the IW writers even know rian, let alone got inspired by rian’s fuckery, but ppl rn have the urge to compare IW with TLJ for a reason.

Tony, Joseph, and Rian Russo: Three edgy bros who wreck and reverse developments from prior movies for funsies, fall over themselves justifying genocide and are racist as shit.

Same anon again, just ignore this if you don’t want discuss it more, but I want to make sure I explained it correctly, the criticism I read is not about similar personalities, it’s about the visual duality of them as reflections of each other. Is that symbolism weird? I’m asking bc while I agree there’s social norms The Handmaiden didn’t cross, nothing it did felt uncomfortable to me. I guess I saw the film more as a subversion of the male gaze than one trying to imagine a world without it?

I still don’t understand the critique. Kim Tae-ri and Kim Min-hee don’t look anything alike (the latter is also 8 years older), and if anything they dressed in contrasting ways for much of the movie. Hideko was in expensive Western style dresses and sometimes kimonos, while Sook-Hee was in a simple form of traditional Korean dress showing the contrasts in their nationalities and stations. They briefly both dressed in kimonos after the wedding as part of their disguise, but later on when they switched to Western dress this time Hideko was dressed as a man (she was pretending to be Fujiwara, in fact, whose real name I discovered is Pandol Koh). Maybe you could send me a link if you have one, hearing it secondhand maybe causing the confusion.

Yeah, I think The Handmaiden overall was filmed tastefully, and even the explicit scenes weren’t done in an overtly objectifying way.

I’m pretty sure the people of wakanda weren’t trying to protect Vision? They were trying to protect the Stone that was ingrained into Vision’s head because if Thanos got the Stone, the entire universe is fucked (which was proven to be true when half of the humans disintegrated the moment Thanos got all the infinity stones). Wakanda was chosen to shelter Vision because it’s the most advanced place in the earth, I think. It’s not because of black people or anything.

So correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding the Stone could be destroyed–except, without the help of Wakandan technology, it would kill Vision. So yeah the whole Wakanda detour sounds like it was more about saving Vision than the universe lol.

Also, racism in media seldom manifests that explicitly. By your metric no work would be racist except maybe Birth of a Nation. Yes, there may be plot reasons for it (though pretty flimsy in the case of Wakanda), but the end result is that the audience got to see a whole lot of Black people die on screen, and a country set up as a shining beacon of Black excellence was wrecked in the very next movie. I find that distasteful as hell and people have every right to be upset.

possible spoilers for iw – it’s so not the clusterfuck that tlj is, ok, the worst of it is probably just the lack of spotlight that team wakanda got compared to what trailers suggested. there’s no rude dismissal of any chekov’s gun, no groundwork for the gaslighting genocidal villain to have a redemption arc, no changing any of the beloved heroes into an antagonist (illogically or not), no dismal outlook in the ending (especially when you just know it’ll all get reversed). iw is not tlj.

Infinity War spoilers alert

It does seem to be a better put-together movie than TLJ (not a high bar). However, I still object to the undermining of the hopeful ending of Thor: Ragnarok and playing genocide for the *shock* and *drama*, not to mention most of the Black heroes being killed.

Can I ask something about The Handmaiden? Hideko/Sookhee are often depicted in very symmetrical ways, and some reviews I’ve read argue it’s fetishistic and render them into symbols of female similarity. The director said this balance is to avoid the need of a “male” role, and also to overcome social hierarchies between them, especially the Japanese/Korean power imbalance at the time. They are really distinct characters, so I wondered if it’s a good idea to critique this without cultural context?

Female similarity? Idek what that means because the two are SUCH different characters lmao. Like… one is literally a thief and the other is a rich noblewoman? Maybe it doesn’t carry over to Western audiences, but their bearings are vastly different due to their class and culture differences, and they speak and intonate differently too. They react differently to situations, with just one memorable example being Sook-Hee leading the destruction of the porn collection, something Hideko could not dream of starting after being brutalized into compliance all her life.

One part that strikes me about that scene is Sook-Hee hitching her skirts up and stomping on submerged books exactly like a Korean woman doing laundry–like she’s trying to wash out the memories of Hideko’s abuse at her tormentor’s hands. I cried watching that familiar mannerism being used as a gesture of righteous rage, empowerment, and liberation. If these reviewers don’t have the cultural knowledge to catch onto these specificities then I am not interested in their hot take. Yes, anyone can watch and enjoy the movie, but it’s imperative for those who would commentate on it to know the limits of their knowledge when it comes to a Korean movie made by Korean creators for Korean audiences.

And yes, it’s a potentially very problematic dynamic for a rich Japanese lady and a Korean commoner to fall in love, and Park Chan-Wook took every care to put them on even footing in their relationship and play around with traditional gender roles like the fucking national treasure he is. But that doesn’t mean they’re uniform, indistinguishable characters. The people who say their depiction flattens female characters or whatever don’t know what the hell they’re talking about and are missing huge chunks of nuance. Even worse, they seem to be implying the dynamics between female characters have to be unequal if they are to be distinct characters and not be sexist or whatever, which uh. How about no.

@filmsoundtracks do you want to comment on this too?

reylos are fake mad and deconstructing your innocuous picture that everybody on tumblr has made for their own respective ship which usually pokes fun at the opposite/problematic ship. this behaviour is getting really old. you’d think they’d be fingering themselves to that “sex scene” in TLJ now that the bluray is out but…..

Awww the poor dears. You’d think it wouldn’t take much to touch their own erogenous regions, but they just have to reach much, much farther. I guess the famed sex scene and vagina imagery just aren’t as satisfying as advertised.

Now excuse me, I have this Finnrey pornography called “The Force Awakens” to rub off to, not to mention the good bits in TLJ.

Creepy adult predators forcing kids to RP NSFW scenarios are all too rampant in fandom. I’m still recovering even though it happened years ago. I didn’t know what happened until I was an adult, when I came to the realization that I was being groomed by self-proclaimed “fandom moms” and popular gatekeepers; I thought that by associating with them and writing NSFW scenarios, I’d be “cool” too. They knew me, a high schooler, had limited access to the net yet still exploited me. It’s horrible.

God, I’m so sorry that happened to you. I wish there had been an adult who had known what was happening and stepped in. And here’s yet more reason to side-eye self-proclaimed “fandom moms”–too often they’re using their age, knowledge, and perceived cool factor to exploit minors. If you call yourself someone’s mom, here’s pro tip: NEVER EVER GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO GETTING SEXUAL GRATIFICATION FROM THEM. EVER.

Kids in fandom, if you’re in this situation or know someone who is, please tell someone and get help. It’s not cool or okay for a minor to be simulating sex with adults–in every single case I’ve heard of, and I’ve heard far too many, it was hurtful for the minor involved. Adults in fandom, let’s watch out for the kids. Stand up for younger fans. Know that this is not remotely okay, and intervene if necessary to protect them. Fandom should be safe and fun, and nothing is less safe and less fun than grownups preying on children.