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in a way i’m glad they didn’t include that phasma moment, because while she would indeed look like a badass, finn would look a bit cheap using her as the selling point as to why the stormtroopers would need to rebel. they should’ve gone the route where the stormtroopers are all in awe of finn because he defected and came back to finish the job. in any case finn should be the one coming out of it looking like the true essence of the light side. ryan kyloson is just an awful writer.

I agree it’s not ideal, but it would also have been the whole lot more than the final cut of the movie gave us about a possible Stormtrooper uprising. I like your idea a whole lot better. And you’ll get no argument from me about Ryan Craig being awful.

I would have been fine with Rey being unrelated to the Skywalkers if that was what was set up in TFA but that wasn’t the case. Rian making her random in TLJ doesn’t change the fact that she WAS set up to be related to the Skywalkers in TFA. And you know what? I’m calling BS on Rian saying he was never told anything about Rey’s parentage when he was writing TLJ. Aside from the obvious set up in TFA don’t tell me they auditioned Carrie Fisher’s own daughter 1/2

2/2 and then ended up casting the female brunette version of
Mark Hamill to play a character who’s parentage was up in the air until
the SECOND film was being written. No, Rey was meant to be related in
TFA and OF COURSE Rian was told. But he didn’t want Rey to be related to
Kylo so they let him change it and now they are pretending like nothing
about Rey’s parentage was decided initially. As drunk Nancy from
Stranger Things would say it’s bullshit.

Let me preface by saying Rey Random is a GREAT premise. I mean, the last scion of the Skywalker family is an evil fascist asshole while the two main heroes who are going to stop him grew up with every disadvantage and don’t have well-known names? Sign me the fuck up! The “superhuman family = chosen leaders” aspect was one of my many quibbles with the saga anyway, plus it’ll make the “~*~Ben~*~ is the ~*~lead~*~ and will be redeemed because he’s ~*~The Skywalker~*~ uwu” fans cry.

What is not great is the way the movies set it up, or by all appearances set up in TFA only to break apart in TLJ. Rey as a child of drunks who cared so little about her they sold her, who hos hope they’re coming back for her and waits for them? That’s powerful stuff, about abandonment and rejection and growing past this gaping wound of knowing your own parents didn’t want you.

But Rey as the child of unknown parents with a whole elaborate flashback sequence that sets up a huge mystery, with an emotionally satisfying reveal being teased–only to have the mystery fall flatter than a pancake, “revealed” by just about the most unreliable source possible? How about no.

I mean, Ryan Craig could have differentiated TLJ from TESB by making it original, but instead he chose the route of just making it bad.

I am kind of confused European. Does the term “white feminist” concern all Caucasian feminists? only American? American who ignore the racial injustice? How does it work?

White feminism refers to feminism that fails to be intersectional, especially in regards to race as the name implies. It refers to white women seeking to achieve equality with white men while upholding the structures of white supremacy, thereby excluding women of color from their activism.

Not all feminists who are white are white feminists, and not every white feminist is a white person. Feminists who are white can strive for intersectionality in good faith, while feminists who are not white can still be complicit in white supremacy.

As far as I know the term was coined in the context of Black women’s exclusion from feminism in the U.S. One example from the 19th century is the leaders of the women’s suffrage movement prioritizing white women’s suffrage over that of Black people, even actively stoking white resentment and fear toward Black people to argue for white women’s suffrage. It’s an ongoing problem, obviously, with the experiences and feelings of white women being prioritized in movement feminism and women of color often being ignored, erased, and isolated.

That said, white feminism is not confined to the United States. A prominent European example I can think of is feminist rhetoric being used to justify Islamophobia and speak over Muslim women. In countries that do not have white majorities, such as my native Korea, serious issues with racism and colorism are similarly ignored in mainstream feminism.

“And do you mean to tell me he TOLD all this to Rose and she still tased him?” — she tased him before he told her this, having assumed he was attempting to desert as she had already tased and reported three other people before him for trying to desert in the same escape pod (citing the recent death of her sister as why she was very upset)

So it sounds like she went from hero worship to TRAITOR!!! in like a hundredth of a second without considering that a) Finn isn’t even Resistance, and b) he might have valid tactical reasons for leaving.

I’m also really disturbed by the way Rose’s pain keeps being brought up in this situation when Finn was the one who was knocked unconscious. It’s interesting whose pain we’re supposed to empathize with.

And exactly how am I supposed to be excited at the prospect of a romance between them when Rose’s most memorable interactions with Finn seem to consist of violence, whether as a response to grief (the tasing) or love (crashing her vehicle into his)? I find that disturbing as hell, especially when a combination of sexism and racism means that violence against him is so easily brushed off and laughed at.

Phasma suffered under JJ l’s blindness and then his inability to adjust. Just as he needed to adjust Finn’s story when he cast a black actor instead of a white one, Phasma was female only because someone pointed out there were few female named characters so Phasma went from male to female. Once that happened JJ needed to adjust and he didn’t. I’m not even gonna bother talking about Rian

This is exactly why simply casting women and people of
color isn’t good enough, they have to be given meaningful stories and
roles. Gwendoline Christie did great with the limited material she was
given, but she would truly have soared if she had had something
substantive to work with. Is it still meaningful that there was a named
female villain in Star Wars? Yes, but it would have been awesome if she
had had more of a role within the story. Increasing her stature would
have made for a correspondingly more substantive role for Finn, too,
because she and Finn have a fraught history and overcoming her could
have been a pivotal moment for Finn. The wasted potential on both these
characters’ parts makes me so mad.

Finn is not trying to flee. He’s picked up the beacon that Leia has shown him that is meant to guide Rey back to the Resistance once she has Luke but which she drops when she’s injured. He intends to take it far away from the Resistance’s ships. Why? Because the FO is right on their heels and Rey and Luke will run right into their arms if they return now. He doesn’t even intend to go to Rey, he tells Rose as much, he just didn’t want her to run right back into the arms of the FO

I.e. it was something someone who’s actually in the Resistance should have taken care of. And do you mean to tell me he TOLD all this to Rose and she still tased him? My God, what have they done to her character…

she shoots him because it’s her job to taze deserters and transport them to the brig…

In what sense is Finn a deserter? He wasn’t even Resistance, he was just receiving medical care from them because he almost died for them despite not being Resistance. Rose would have known this if she was his fan, yet her first instinct is to treat him like a deserter?

Besides, Finn wasn’t even leaving to save himself, he was leaving to stop Rey and/or Luke from walking into a First Order attack. It was something one of the Resistance brass should have thought of, and he was cleaning up their mess because evidently the good guys misplaced their brains for 90% of this movie’s runtime.

at both showings i went to, nobody laughed when finn did shit that was supposed to be construed as funny even though the first audience was really rowdy and laughed at other shit. but it was so fucking uncomfortable when rose tazed finn or hux slapped finn or when leia slapped poe. because news flash, violence against men of colour isn’t fucking funny and shouldn’t be played for laughs. i despised rose for the rest of the movie. she hindered finn’s development and we were meant to find it cute.

I was uncomfortable just hearing about these scenes, I don’t think I could sit through them without swearing a lot. The “violence against men is funny” trope needs to die a speedy death anyway, but it’s particularly toxic when it intersects with racism against men of color. And I will forever hate the way Reindeer Jensen wrote Rose, the first female lead of color in these movies.

rose also definitely does respect finn? she literally says so, for one thing, but for another, immediately as he’s waking up from being stunned, they speak in unison as they come up with/realize a plan that will save the resistance. they’re equally smart, very similar minds to each other, and the only thing she “teaches” him is from her life experience, which is different from his. she exposes the seedy underbelly of the wealth of canto bight because the war profiteers there destroyed her home.

(Continued) it just seems like the spoilers you’ve read are… really not
accurate about rose or poe or rey or leia and maybe you should actually
judge for yourself. it definitely isn’t finn’s film the way tfa was, but
it was never meant to be. tfa was finn’s film. tlj is rey’s. ix was
going to be leia and poe’s, but who knows now. hopefully it will just be
a trio movie.

First of all, what kind of logic is that, that I need to see a movie because I’m hearing bad things about it? Is that the way you approach media consumption, seek out the works with the worst reviews? I take the opposite approach, personally, but that’s just me.

Second, the words I used were that fans have complained that Rose’s relationship with Finn is unequal, not that I definitely know this is so. As you point out, I haven’t seen the movie. Whether you agree with these viewers’ assessment or not, there exist viewers who think this way and they may well have basis for thinking so.

Third, if I am to trust anyone’s views on the movie to align with my own it’s going to be people that I have a lot in common with and agree with on a lot of things, not some condescending rando on anon who thinks their take is the only valid one. And if you want me to judge for myself then why are you feeding me your own conclusion, you two-faced ass?

And no, TLJ not being Finn’s film (from what I hear it’s not even Rey’s film–it’s Kylo’s) is not the same thing as giving him a pointless B-plot that could have been cut from the movie in its entirety without affecting anything. This was my husband’s opinion after seeing the movie, so why don’t you tell me he’s also untrustworthy and biased. Asshole.