thehungryvortigaunt:

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SO EXCITED to read articles discussing the possibility that groups of Baiyue, the peoples who inhabited modern South China and North Vietnam, lived in ancient Southwest Korea.

We always knew a large group of South/Southeast Asians lived in Korea since ancient times. It’s an archeological and genetic fact, not to mention something you see in the faces of people you pass in the street. My husband has what is called the “Southern” facial structure. So does his mom, and so do about 20% of modern Koreans. But to be able to put a name to these groups and get hints of where they came from? Fucking amazing.

Grave styles. Tools. Agriculture. Even language? I covered my mouth to keep myself from screaming in the library when one of the articles speculated that 半乃 found on a tile fragment from the Korean Southwest might be BaanNaa, “village with rice field” in a major language of the Baiyue peoples.

It’s all rather speculative by necessity, but that’s why I’m writing a novel and not a thesis, right? I’m just trying to give a sound basis to my fictional vision of ancient Korea. And whatever Korea looked like 2,000 years ago, it was most certainly not pale and homogeneous the way some nationalists imagine it.

Admixture between regions – hell, between continents – is a much more frequent and ancient phenomenon than most nationalists would prefer to admit.

I mean the Pacific Islands were settled by migration from Southeast Asia (Taiwan indigenous people, I think?) beginning over 3,000 years ago. Long before that groups of ancient humans moved from Africa across the Eurasian continent to the Americas… the story of migration IS the story of humanity.

lj-writes:

lj-writes:

SO EXCITED to read articles discussing the possibility that groups of Baiyue, the peoples who inhabited modern South China and North Vietnam, lived in ancient Southwest Korea.

We always knew a large group of South/Southeast Asians lived in Korea since ancient times. It’s an archeological and genetic fact, not to mention something you see in the faces of people you pass in the street. My husband has what is called the “Southern” facial structure. So does his mom, and so do about 20% of modern Koreans. But to be able to put a name to these groups and get hints of where they came from? Fucking amazing.

Grave styles. Tools. Agriculture. Even language? I covered my mouth to keep myself from screaming in the library when one of the articles speculated that 半乃 found on a tile fragment from the Korean Southwest might be BaanNaa, “village with rice field” in a major language of the Baiyue peoples.

upperpaleolithic:

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upperpaleolithic:

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upperpaleolithic:

Hey Ebsco maybe you can tell me why I searched “remote survey” and “lithics” and got the fucking Federalist Papers

Maybe they were the Federalist Stone Tablets

Weirdly that still wouldn’t make them the lithics I’m looking for. 😡

Spoken like someone who never bashed redcoats over the head with a stone tablet

Well it’s not like they did either!

I’m sure the Hamilton versions did

You know, I’d believe LMM has slapped a tablet on someone’s noggin beforw

There you go, mystery solved!

upperpaleolithic:

lj-writes:

upperpaleolithic:

lj-writes:

upperpaleolithic:

Hey Ebsco maybe you can tell me why I searched “remote survey” and “lithics” and got the fucking Federalist Papers

Maybe they were the Federalist Stone Tablets

Weirdly that still wouldn’t make them the lithics I’m looking for. 😡

Spoken like someone who never bashed redcoats over the head with a stone tablet

Well it’s not like they did either!

I’m sure the Hamilton versions did

Okay going to have to start looking for places and programs where I can actually try ancient Korean spinning and weaving because no way in hell can I get it right without getting my hands dirty. The first draft might be workable with whatever information I can glean on paper and online, but I can’t half-ass it for the final product.

lj-writes:

on the one hand: we have to push back against narratives that substitute preconceived notions for research and facts, and must guard agaist our own biases which lead us to accept without serious investigation that one dominant culture was always the innovator and the “peripheral” cultures simply received those innovations

on the other hand: there’s so much agenda-driven bad scholarship in these non-dominant cultures as well, and some  scholars who push these counter-narratives make grandiose claims about how they were “better” than these dominant cultures with little evidence, to the extent there’s a kneejerk reaction against these counter-narratives as automatically suspect

I mean would I be thrilled if there’s a good basis for the assertion that “Koreans” (or more precisely, proto-Koreanic groups in Manchuria and the northern Korean peninsula) used iron up to four centuries ahead of China? Hell yeah! Do I automatically take these claims with a truckful of salt, especially when the person making that claim has a pretty explicit nationalistic agenda? Also yeah.

on the one hand: we have to push back against narratives that substitute preconceived notions for research and facts, and must guard agaist our own biases which lead us to accept without serious investigation that one dominant culture was always the innovator and the “peripheral” cultures simply received those innovations

on the other hand: there’s so much agenda-driven bad scholarship in these non-dominant cultures as well, and some  scholars who push these counter-narratives make grandiose claims about how they were “better” than these dominant cultures with little evidence, to the extent there’s a kneejerk reaction against these counter-narratives as automatically suspect