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Anyone remember the time The Doctor bridal carried Martha Jones to save her life? And how fans were like, it’s not romantic, he’s just helping her, nothing more?

And yet Kylo Ren force knocks out Rey, picks her up and kidnaps her and it 100% must be romantic foreshadowing.

Fandom, man.

The Doctor ‘*bridal carrying’ Martha was the first thing I thought of when I saw a rey/l0 arguing that if a man ‘bridal carries’ a women they are 100% guaranteed to be in a romantic relationship down the line.

*was the term ‘bridal carry’ a thing before rey/l0?? I mean I know that ‘carry a bride over the threshold’ is a an age old tradition but I’d never seen the term ‘bridal carry’ used to describe anytime a man carries a women in his arms until rey/l0.

As long as we’re talking Doctor Who, the Doctor once carried Amy Pond the same way.

Bridal carry as a term has existed as a term for a good long time, yup. Reylo hasn’t made a long-term impact in its frequency. It looks like the infamous too-long-to-read reylo meta that appears to have started the use of the term in reylo fandom caused a temporary spike in the term being used, though. 

Monster carry would be a better phrase for reylo; bridal carry implies consciousness and willingness to be carried. Relatedly, here’s @monsterscarry for all your “pictures of movie monsters carrying women” needs! (Occasionally nsfw-ish.)

The visual references for having Kylo Ren pick up Rey were connected to the “terrible monster carries away fainting woman” idea. This is reinforced when we see Finn reacting so strongly to it. That was the point: to have Finn see Rey carried off in the arms of a monster.

I’ve never seen that monstercarry blog before, thanks for the link!

Yes, it’s a classic monstercarry. A bridal carry, of course, is consentual and the person being carried is conscious and, you know, wants to be carried.

With Doctor Who, they’re not really bridal carries either, since the women are unconscious, but he’s saving them. Not sure what the term for that is, but it’s not a monstercarry.

Seriously, this is a great observation. It was so obvious once I read it, but somehow I hadn’t connected it to the classic movie monster trope.

Monster carry, omg that is perfect for reylo. Perfect. 

When I first read that meta (yup I read it, ugh, back when I was trying to figure out how the hell reylo had become such a thing) I can remember being confused by a the pictures of happy (and conscious) brides being carried by their grooms right above a gif of Kylo knocking Rey unconscious and picking her up and the argument that that was clearly meant to reference a ‘bridal carry’. I’m not an expert on tropes, clearly, and I don’t have a degree in English lit but I’ve got damn EYES and could plainly SEE that its not the same thing at all. And no we aren’t meant to think its the same thing just because Rey is dressed in light colours not even white ffs, find me a bride who would be okay with a dress in the colour of Rey’s costume and Kylo is in black. 

And yes the Doctor carrying his companions (I’d completely forgotten about Amy and he carried Clara too) is another thing altogether. 

All of this is exactly why I’ve been so confused by the term bridal carry being used any time a man carries a women in his arms. Yes sometimes its meant to foreshadow romance but not always. 

I think I’ll go with bridal carry for this:

That’s one of the final scenes (I believe) in An Officer and a Gentleman, and the romance is meant to be there. 

Damsel carry for this kind of scene (”in distress” is implied, yeah?):

At this point in their storyline, anyone who chooses to read this as sexual or romantic is definitely fooling themselves. (Amy is, well, his mother-in-law… which sounds weird now that I’ve typed it. Nonetheless, that does put a bit of a damper on that whole sex & romance thing.)

And here’s our monster carry: 

The classic monster carry doesn’t foreshadow mutual love with a happy ending, but it does often come with the implication (or direct message) of one-sided attraction and romantic feeling. Poor sad monster just wants to rape love the human woman. 

Using the monster carry in TFA is almost certainly one reason some people think of reylo in sexual terms. I didn’t see any sexual or romantic chemistry between Kylo and Rey in the film, and I do think that some people are casting about for an appropriate white guy to pair her with (fandom is utterly predictable in that way), but having Kylo carry her like that? It sends a message, whether intended or not.

(Which might have been part of what the-meta-that-just-goes-on-and-on was saying, but they also said that Rey “friend-zoned” Finn, which is plenty of reason to side-eye the whole thing.)

Yeah, An Officer and a Gentleman is what I think of when I think of the “bridal carry” in film.

An ironic thing about the monstercarry is that the monster carrying off the white woman is a stand-in for a “threatening” minority (think King Kong with its racist Black Brute coding or Dracula who is heavily coded as an Eastern European Jewish man). The monstercarry is not meant to be something desirable. Sure, The Blonde in the various King Kong movies has empathy for him, but she’s never going to be his love. She watches him die and is sad about it, but her endgame is never to be with him.

In that context, it’s fair to say that Kylo monstercarrying Rey is an inversion of a trope, because he’s white and (based on fandom reaction to him) desirable. But he’s never going to be Rey’s love any more than Kong is going to be The Blonde’s love. Even if she finds empathy for him (and I don’t doubt she will). The man she loves is a Black man. And, in that context, with the racist overtones of many past monstercarrys, that’s actually pretty cool, IMO.

Spot the difference! (Hint: there isn’t one.)

It also seems like TFA based a lot of the Rey and Kylo interaction imagery before she successfully rejects his mental penetration on Christopher Lee as Dracula, which makes sense since he also played a Sith of royal lineage (Count Dooku). If they were going to reference any one specific classic movie monster’s monstercarry and intentionally rapist-coded demeanor, I could absolutely see Abrams putting in a nod to Lee as a Super Nerdy Easter Egg (like his Beastie Boys references or the masked celebrity cameos. TFA, thy middle name is Super Nerdy Easter Eggs).

I can’t believe I didn’t know there was a term for the monstercarry before now!

WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK THAT THE INTENTION OF SHOWING A BLACK-CAPED MURDERER (“A CREATURE IN A MASK,” NATCH) CARRYING AN UNCONSCIOUS WOMAN IN DRAPING WHITE (ok beige) HARKENS TO ANYTHING ELSE?

I hadn’t thought of it as a Christopher Lee homage, but it makes sense. Lee died in 2015, too.

something to note is that the artist who drew the kylo and rey celebration piece that @aimmyarrowshigh referenced said himself that it WAS meant to be a parallel to those old 50’s/60’s monster movie posters with the monster carrying the unconscious heroine (“monster carry” as other people in the thread have called it). if he (and the folks at LF he said he worked with) drew that comparison, i don’t think it’s a stretch to say that was the original intention in the film

Well isn’t that an interesting detail the reyl0s choose to ignore. I’ve seen so many of them claim that there is NO WAY Disney would have approved that celebration piece unless the ‘bridal carry’ was meant to foreshadow romance.

They know. I remember an argument I had on Reddit with them. They insulted the original intentions by the artist, and even went to the point of questioning him all the way on Instagram. The author was flabbergasted about their interpretation and specified that was never the intention. No official employees from LucasFilm communicated to him a “secret agenda”, not even a romantic or sexual connection between these characters. He said that he was trying to interpret the monster carry in a different angle of the scene.

Here is the aftermath of the drama.

Give it a read. I don’t think you will regret it.

Unfortunately, some antis were disrespectful towards the artist as well because they thought he was favoring Reylo when he specified the opposite. It was a gigantic mess.

here’s (part of, unfortunately this is the only screen cap i have) the actual apology since unfortunately he’s deleted it so the link on that reddit post doesn’t work