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Fair enough. I apologize for the derailment. I think one reason I wanted to defend Rose is that I think she was very ill-used by the film in general, and in a way, I blame her less for the tasing than I do Johnson directly. But I shouldn’t have derailed.

It’s true Rose was treated terribly and somehow the expanded materials by other creators do far more justice to her than Johnson did his own character. I’ve written several posts about the discrepancy between Cobalt Squadron, the junior novel starring Rose, and TLJ/its novelization.

It’s not even the fact that she committed a shitty act of violence against an unthreatening ally that bothers me, either. People can do awful things and then make amends, and those are some of my favorite kinds of stories (e.g. Zuko from ATLA). What bothers me is rather the refusal to admit, both on the part of the narrative and the fandom, that what she did was shitty and wrong. Not only does it result in the terrible and racist implication that Finn deserved violence when he wasn’t threatening Rose in any way, but it also takes away from Rose’s own story of learning to cope with grief without hurting others.

I wouldn’t say shorelle likes Finn just bc they drew him once or twice, I’m pretty sure they only did so bc he’s a part of the sequel trilogy, I really love their art but I blocked them after seeing how they always portrayed Kylo as a misunderstood and hurting boy, they also completely ignore how shit Kylo is to Rey and how bad of a person he is in general, and has them acting as soft cute lovers in their ship art

She claims to be a big villain fan but only if she can rewrite them in her head as big woobie softies, evidently.

Because I came to mostly agree with you about Rose, so fewer words were necessary there, while I wanted to make a different point on the same event.

Yeah, a “different point” like have I maybe considered that immoral thieves deserve to be tased, thrown across a room, and temporarily paralyzed? Isn’t it interesting how this logic gets applied to every real-life case of a Black person being killed by police? They were a robber, they did drugs, they didn’t follow orders… until suddenly the conversation is no longer about the violence done against them but an indictment of them as a person.

Like, maybe examine your own assumptions here and why you felt the need to bring up whether Finn was being immoral and a thief in a conversation about whether violence against him was justified. That’s not a different point on the same event, that’s a derail.

They don’t think Finn could be talked to because they’re racist pieces of shit that got their jollies seeing s black man brutalized and out in their place. I love your blog but I have no idea why you waste time with this reylo loving racist?

Yeah I heard WAY too much of this racist and antiblack apologia in the wake of tlj. I argue back and have since tlj, in the hopes of exposing how repugnant and bankrupt these “arguments” are. It’s honestly scary how eager people are to defend the tasing.

All right, “defend” was too strong a word. I’ll downgrade to “understand.” Though I would also say that Finn’s plan was downright immoral, as it’d deprive Resistance members of an escape pod while he wasn’t even in immediate danger. But yes, Rose was also trigger-happy there.

I mean I guess people can do a lot of violent and unjustifiable things in the heat of rage and grief. What bothers me about TLJ is that there is no acknowledgment that what Rose did was, at the very least, over the top and uncalled for.

The second part of your ask is an off-topic diversion. The conversation was about whether Rose was justified in using violence against Finn when he was not threatening her in any way and there was no indication he could not be talked out of his plan. I happen to disagree with you that his plan was immoral, but let me ask you a more fundamental question: Why does it matter? Do people who make an immoral plan deserve to be physically hurt and humiliated, especially when they can be stopped without such violence? Why did you change the topic to Finn’s immorality when the topic is about the immorality of the violence used against him?

I think you really need to examine why you’re so eager to justify and victim-blame here, and are unable to admit Rose was wrong without bringing up the irrelevant issue of Finn’s wisdom and morality.

While it was a bad filmmaking choice, to say the least, I will defend Rose tasing Finn in-universe. Using an escape pod–a craft that can, IIRC, fit six people–by yourself to leave a ship before it’s in danger of being destroyed strikes me as an untoward thing to.

I’m still trying to process how you went from “Finn was going to do an unwise thing” to “Rose was right to tase a completely unthreatening and unarmed Finn, throwing him into a wall and knocking him unconscious.” Even if you think he should have been prevented from taking a pod, what about the situation prompted you to think Rose used a proportional or justified amount of violence? Why do you think Finn couldn’t be, you know, talked to?