I hate listened to a reylow podcast that youtube recommended me and I just listened to a couple of reylows going on about how Finn isn’t Rey’s equal. They insist that because Finn is standing of the lower step during his confession scene and looking up at Rey that is JJ showing us that Finn isn’t her equal. And they insist that Kylo is bowing to Rey in knightly worship in the “interrogation” scene. Other gems include that Finn needs her to “babysit” him. But you know they /swear/ they love Finn

It’s funny they should mention that scene, because I’d been thinking for a while how strongly Finn and Rey’s parting scene on Takodana reminded me of the parting between Rodrigo and Jimena from El Cid (1961).

I mean here’s the woman, climbing up on a higher step and turning to face the man for a Very Important Conversation just before he leaves we know you watched the scene over and over and were just itching to try it Rey you extra bitch

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The woman tells the man how unhappy she is with his decision to go.

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The man, in words or gesture, confesses his feelings for the woman. This part comes near the end of the conversation in El Cid but at the middle in the TFA scene, since Finn unlike Rodrigo must tell the truth of himself first.

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The man makes a heartfelt request to the woman, and that’s exactly what it is–a request, respecfully presented without any pressure as opposed to “I can take whatever I want” or “I’ll destroy her”. As seen below, the woman refuses his request freely and without repercussions.

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In each case the woman refuses, asserting her own needs and feelings, while also reiterating her unhappiness with the man’s leaving. This is greeted without any rancor or even a repeat request on the man’s part.

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The man says good-bye with complicated feelings. He knows he’s leaving the woman unhappy and she doesn’t want him to go, but he does what he has to do. And she lets him, without threats or coercion, because when you love and respect someone you also respect their decisions.

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That doesn’t mean she’s not sad as hell, of course. She climbs down from the steps she was standing on, the better to watch him go.

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And she watches and watches, so sadly…

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While the man in turn can barely bring himself to go, and looks back at her before he leaves for good.

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Finn standing on a lower step than Rey is in fact a very recognizable romantic/knightly trope with the knight gazing up at his lady in adoration. It’s pretty much a mirrored version of the El Cid scene, as seen above. THAT is what knightly worship looks like.

Also, Kylo “bowing” to Rey? Nah, we’ve seen this before, a man invading a woman’s personal space after tying her up, only for her to ridicule and rebuff him (putting under a cut for potentially triggering content and also Hunchback of Notre Dame gifs):

Here’s the man, leaning into the personal space of a woman he has abducted and physically restrained. See how the woman leans away, the fear and revulsion clear in her face:

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And then she humiliates him, revealing him as the pathetic bully he is with such force/Force that he is physically repelled. I was always very impressed at Esmeralda’s projectile spitting ability.

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As usual Reylows get it all wrong and don’t know their cinematic history lmao.

Hey, its a different anon :) Do you know where we see the breakdowns for the length of screen time per character? Watching TLJ it felt like Rey had less screen time than before and her story seemed liked a subplot that connected to the main story of the Resistance trying to escape the FO. Yet I keep seeing her story being referred to as the main plot with the most screen time.

I was curious myself, and here’s one breakdown by IMBD user ninewheels0 (link):

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According to this count Rey has the most screentime in both movies, so calling hers (Kylo and Luke’s, really) the main plot is not wrong. However her screentime is, in fact, reduced in TLJ compared to TFA so your gut feeling is right as well. Kylo had slightly less screen time in TLJ than TFA, too, which is why his screentime count did not jump in comparison to other characters. You can see that he’s made a significant gain on Finn, though. He had 2/3 of Finn’s screentime in TFA, but the two are almost even in TLJ. And that’s just mechanically counting the minutes–I think we can agree that there was significantly more focus on Kylo’s character and background during the time he appeared on screen than there was on Finn during his appearances.

The forum post where I found the above count also did a comparison of how each character’s screentime in TLJ compared to their time in TFA (link). The result is pretty telling: Finn had the biggest negative shift in TFA-TLJ screen time other than Han, who died.

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Finn getting the most time cut is in absolute minutes, not the proportion of screen time. Finn didn’t have the greatest proportion of his screentime cut among the living characters, but the only living characters who had a greater proportion of their screentime cut were secondary and tertiary characters such as BB-8, Chewbacca, and Maz.

RJ might not have carried through with his joke of keeping Finn in a coma for the entire movie, but he seems to have gone as close to it as he could get away with.

How would you rank the 30+ planets and moons visited in the Star Wars Movies as places to live on? (Naboo, Coruscant, Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Kashyyyk, Mygeeto, Felucia, Cato Neimoidia, Saleucami, Mustafar, Alderaan, Corellia, Mimban, Vandor-1, Kessel, Savareen, Lah’Mu, Wobani, Jedha, Eadu, Scarif, Tatooine, Yavin IV, Hoth, Dagobah, Bespin, Endor, Jakku, Takodana, Starkiller Base (Technically a planet), Hosnian Prime, D’Qar, Ahch-To, Catonica, & Crait). Some of them are from Order 66.

It doesn’t seem like a good sign that five of the planets on this list were completely obliterated/are no longer habitable. Rather than ranking them individually I’ll put them into loose categories.

Good place to live:

Coruscant. That’s it. Well-developed, center of galactic civilization, has plot immunity to the extent they created Hosnia just to be destroyed in its place.

Good places to live, with caveats:

Naboo, as long as you are not a Palpatine. You’re fine if your first name is Sheev, though.

Kamino, if you like water and biotechnology.

Kashyyk, if you like forests and are seven feet tall.

Felucia, if you like jungles.

Cato Neimoidia, if you are a merchant prince.

Saleucami, if you are a deserting Clone Trooper.

Kessel, if you are the royal family.

Savareen, if you like brandy.

Lah-mu, if your last name is not Erso.

Yavin IV, just watch out for space battles.

Bespin, if you stick to Cloud City.

Endor, if you are a sentient teddy bear.

Takodana, if you can avoid being randomly massacred by invading assholes.

D’Qar, just don’t miss the evacuation transports. Or maybe you should miss them. Idk.

Ahch-To, but watch out for troubled teens randomly wrecking stuff.

Cantonica, unless you want to put your fist through this whole lousy beautiful town.

Bad places to live, with reasons:

Geonosis. Too many giant insects and gladitorial combat.

Utapau. Too many sinkholes.

Mygeeto and Hoth. Too cold.

Mustafar. Too much lava.

Corellia. Too much crime and pollution.

Mimban and Dagobah. Too swampy.

Vandor-1. Too barren.

Wobani. Too imperial labor camp.

Eadu. Too rainy.

Tatooine. Too dry.

Jakku. Dump.

Crait. Too salty.

Do not visit under any circumstances:

Alderaan

Jedha

Scarif

Starkiller Base

Hosnian Prime

I hate to be a killjoy, but I’m kind of leery of the “reverse Abel” interpretation of Finn; romanticizing rural living is a heavily rightist notion, used to contrast with the degenerate, mixed hellholes they claim cities to be. My confused feelings about Judeo-Christian mythology might even see Cain as a heroic figure in a way, for setting the precedent of humanity seriously advancing its technology and greater enabling its ability to seize its own destiny.

Ah, I can see how it came across that way. I was thinking more in terms of the FO having to be destroyed and then going back to the beginning to build something new, without necessarily discussing how it needed to be built (though I’m building up to thoughts on that elsewhere). I didn’t word it very well, though.

Also you might want to rethink using the term Judeo-Christian, though I know it’s incredibly common. Here are a couple of quotes from a rabbi explaining why it’s inaccurate and harmful (link, link).

My mom had this theory that I’m not really happy about but cold sort of see happening and I wondered your feelings in it. She grew up with SW, she was 3 when ANH came out and she loved the prequels. She said that for this trilogy the subversion of expectations Rian Johnson talked about is already playing out in TFA and will in IX. She says she think Poe is the new Han, but quietly force sensitive like Leia was. Rey is the new Leia but a Jedi warrior like Luke was. Finn is the New Luke but

not force sensitive. But this time the Han and Leia par 2 don’t get together, the Luke and Leia part 2 get together keeping the one SW romance thing constant, a force sensitive in love with a non force sensitive. I have to admit I could see things going that way but I don’t really like the idea of Finn with no powers especially since Poe didn’t seem to have them and now he does, just like Holdo. Wondering what you think?


I believe an emerging theme in the sequels is that the Force is in everyone and belongs to everyone, not just a powerful few. Leia’s confirmation in the Poe Dameron comic that Poe has a form of Force sesitivity but that the Force is also in everyone, the reveal of Rey’s parentage in TLJ and Broom Boy, all seem to be saying that the Force is not some exclusive thing, certainly not exclusive to a bloodline.

I mean, I do have issues with the retcon that the Skywalkers were ever thought of as this super-powerful elite bloodline, that’s a fandom concept and not canon. But I do see the intent, even if I disagree with the execution.

So if the franchise is going to be consistent with the direction they’re setting up, hopefully the whole dichotomy between Force users/non-Force users will become moot. The OT frame, then, would not apply to the ST. I am pleased that your mother thinks Finnrey is happening, though. Fingers crossed!

I don’t think it’s going to happen. I’ve had a crush on her since I was 15, and 11-15 year old Aspies are the most awkward people on the planet, especially when they’re crushing. And by awkward I mean embarrassing and accidentally creepy. Imagine someone following you around at a dance, waiting for a slow song, or standing behind you because they want to talk about something but are too shy to interrupt so they just stand there staring, or not knowing when not to hug you. Aspergers sucks.

lj-writes:

It sounds like all the awkwardness of the teen years compounded by not catching social cues in a very demanding social environment. Much love and good thoughts to you ❤️

@fettjango is right, of course, once you learn that you make someone uncomfortable you should stop the behavior. I read it as the anon recounting past behaviors that they won’t repeat in the future, but I can’t be sure of course.

O…kay. So I’m a gay guy that reads a/b/o fics and as I’m not really a fan of het (sorry), I always thought that the abo thing was a staple for mlm or wlw (it’s a kink ok). Seing it on that rlo fic is just.. ugh. Can their grimey little hands just pls stay away from every au

That is my understanding too. I mean I have seen m/f fucking as a small part of an Alpha-Omega gangbang scene, but it was a female Alpha banging a male Omega with her dick. Having a male Alpha and female Omega doesn’t sound fun at
all, it’s just an exaggeration of real-world dynamics. I get that people
can get off on that, but could they stay away from queer kinks ffs.
They can write 50 Shades or their horrible distortion of The Handmaid’s Tale or any of a million
other rapey str8 kinks.

(If you want more details about the story I mentioned above, which was also a SW fic, follow me below the cut and abandon all hope.)

The Omega was Obi-Wan and the female Alpha was… idk, Shaak Ti? Depa Billaba? She was a minor character and it was primarily an Obi/Windu story as I recall. The premise was that the Jedi Council are all Alphas and they have to breed the Omega in heat. Obi isn’t trans though, it was old school and he gets pregnant through the ass.