Makes as much sense as anything lol. It’s preferable to erasing Finn of course, but it sucks that they’ve overtaken the p&p tag. 😦
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ah. suddenly professionals are acceptable. when you can use them to argue your point. if they disagree with you…well.
What even brought this on asdgjfkl
Wait is it the 100 stories that shaped the world post, specifically my salty reblogged comnentary? I mean, was it ever a professional opinion that fictional stories with fantastical elements necessarily have nothing whatsoever to do with real life and cannot affect the real world? I thought that was just random internet commenters. If you want, please present me with professionals who hold this opinion so I can evaluate their credentials and reasoning.
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Those who were in theaters say it’s clear she’s a Black woman with light skin and freckles.
Why do re//y/los act like antis are some sort of community where everyone knows each other? I don’t think disliking re/y///lo can be compared to an actual group of shippers? They seem to want to see it as an even playing field ship war but I don’t think antis act like a group. I like reading your fandom thoughts and I was wondering what you think?
I mean I don’t think either side is a coherent group other than sharing a taste (or distaste, in the case of antis). There are antis I can’t stand, antis I’ve called out, antis I’ve blocked, antis who hold fucking ridiculous opinions imo on other issues. I know the same is true of shippers, too. When I complain about ryeloafs I don’t mean the entire group of shippers is responsible, any more than I’d hold each individual man responsible for the actions of the worst of them. What I do mean is that these behaviors exist, these bad experiences with shippers are real, and that there are larger cultural reasons for these behaviors.
It’s a little off sometimes, the way that you’ll argue or mock a rey////lo who is nearly 20 years younger than you, or a teenager. Not disagreeing with your actual stance on anything, just…you’re a person in your late 30’s. Picking fights with kids or very young adults. And this isn’t about one recent incident, I’ve noticed you’ve done it a few times. Shouldn’t the ‘fandom elders’ be a little more mature?
As far as I can tell, the only times I’ve actually initiated contact with reyyylos–especially younger ones–is when they’re derailing posts or crosstagging. That’s bad manners, plain and simple, and how would they know to do better unless they’re told they’re doing wrong? And I’m certainly not going to just smile and nod at people who contact me first to be rude, no matter what their age.
Now if I’m wrong about this and I’ve actually gone out of my lane to pick on young shippers that is clearly out of line on my part, and if you can point out such instances I’ll apologize and not repeat such incidents. Nowadays I don’t really even bother contacting them for the most part though, I just screenshot and mock like I know they did with my posts.
I was curious enough to go through my own #anti reylo and later, #and furthermore tags to look back at my own interactions with Reylos in the past half year or so, and here’s what I found:
Calling out a shipper for saying someone should die for not liking TLJ
Verbally slapping down the kid when she had the gall to send me another ask
Asking a reylo shipper who hopped on my post to leave me alone and blocking them when they didn’t
Screenshotting and commenting on a reylo derail of a Finn appreciation post
Calling out Finnrey (among others) tag invasion by a reylo
Giving an answer to a reylo shipper (ostensibly) seeking facts
Yet another case of a reylo invading the finnrey tag
Another case of answering a reylo who had a seemingly honest question
So like, exactly which of these instances–and these are pretty much all of them I could find as far back as 2017, feel free to go look for more if you have the stomach for it–constitute picking fights with younger fans, anon? Should I have been gentler in pointing out things like crosstagging or suicide baiting, or just ignored it because that’s evidently the mature thing to do? Should I have been nicer to people who got into my notes or inbox?
Have you seen the post saying B99 isn’t cop propaganda & the reasoning is proof that the propaganda worked? It’s ironic that middle class white liberals on here are telling black critiquers of copaganda like B99 to “go outside” while relaying the exact propaganda the “not all cops” show instils in the viewers. Also worth noting that they bring up how ~diverse~ the cast of B99 is and how “woke” the cast is while silencing the voices of bloggers who rightfully say that it’s propaganda.
Full disclosure: Idk exactly which post you’re talking about but I know a long-term fandom friend wrote a post like that which was fairly popular, and I’ve watched my more recent fandom friends react negatively to that. As a result this has been slightly awkward for me to discuss. I lean toward “it is propaganda” myself, which is why I don’t reblog much B99 stuff despite seeing it frequently on my dash.
I get that what draws people to B99 isn’t the cop aspect, necessarily, but the nuanced handling of diverse and queer characters. At the same time, that doesn’t make it any less propaganda. Propaganda can be artistic and entertaining, it can tug on heartstrings and get you to love the characters. Some great pieces of fiction have been propaganda, like Casablanca.
From what little I’ve seen of the show, it presents an ideal of cops as they should be, as a number of cop shows throughout the history of American TV have but with a more 21st-century twist of diversity in race, culture, and sexuality. Many fans have pointed to the show’s handling of police brutality, but from what I’ve seen the episode to deal with the issue most directly shows one of the Black cops as a victim of racial profiling, not a perpetrator.
Which raises the question: Does the show deal with the systemic issues that encourage even well-meaning cops, including nonwhite ones like the ones that headline the show, to racially profile and brutalize citizens they are sworn to protect? Are these characters subjected to the pressure to dehumanize, to overpolice Black and Latinx neighborhoods, to meet racist quotas? Are these police dressed down and even penalized for not stopping and frisking Black and Latinx youths?
As far as I can tell, that’s not true of our crew of lovable prankster cops. Showrunner Dan Goor has said as much in his interview with Buzzfeed: “Our particular squad — our heroes — we’ve always made sure are good
cops and model the kind of behavior and techniques that we would hope
all cops exhibit.” Also: “What is our way into the issue [of racial profiling], given that we portray our cops as cops
who wouldn’t racially profile somebody, or who wouldn’t stop-and-frisk
somebody? How do we bring those issues to the fore?”
This is pretty as baldly “a few bad apples” rhetoric as you can get without saying the exact words. The flip side of saying these cops are good apples who would never racially profile someone is that it’s the other cops, the bad ones, who do that. And that’s not only bunk, it’s a dangerous lie because the same police who really are protecting and serving (or pranking and shitting, whatever) are the ones who either commit these acts of brutality, or are cowed into complicity.
So yeah, I think B99 is propaganda. It doesn’t mean it necessarily works on everyone who watches it, but it sure seems to confirm the biases of those who want to believe the lie that good, loving, lovable police don’t do these awful things. That there is such a thing as a good cop in a rotten system–or, even more dangerously, that the system is not rotten from the core. I have no issues with anyone loving and enjoying the show, but I do get tired of people insisting that if they love a show it must be Unproblematic and Perfect and Virtuous. Hey news flash, there’s no such thing.
About Rian and the Russo. I remember someone on here saying that TLJ is what you get when you force a racist and misogynistic creator to deal with a diverse cast and I’d add that you get IW too. Both movies already have in their set up a diverse cast, the Russos had to deal with T’Challa, Gamora, Heimdall and the Asgardians, just as Rian had to deal with Finn and Poe being there. Since they’re all three racists and misogynists the result was somewhat predictable 1/2
In most cases racist and misogynists like Rian and the Russo
brothers can avoid having to deal with this through their writing and
casting, but in both the cases of TLJ and IW they had a lot of the
foundation forced upon as the de facto state (Finn is Black, Poe is
latino, T’Challa is Black, Gamora is played by a Black woman and so on)
and they kinda have to be part of the story. But none of these men know
how to deal with that or are interested in learning, so we get TLJ and
IW instead 2/2
That makes sense–the very biases that would have rationalized their decision to exclude women and POC would come out in big ways when they have to cast existing female characters and characters of color. Hence the sidelining and what looks to me like outright hate, destroying their prior triumphs and acting like it’s the height of artistry to have them die en masse horribly on screen. Not that I think Gamora for instance was ever treated that well in her prior movies, but this movie’s treatment sounds like another level of hideous.
Then there’s the extra special mix of racism, fetishization, and misogyny that is Rian Russo, who actually made a new character that he insisted had to be a woman of color only to make her every awful stereotype imaginable and fridge her sister horribly in the bargain. I hope he goes to hell for that. 🙂
I watched Infinity War and idk if I’m the first one to draw this parallel, but Thanos is basically a purple rian dick. Remember for TLJ, rian said the movie was about “Balance”? And rian wrecked everything dear to the SW fandom for funsies? In IW, Thanos proclaims he’s all about bringing “Balance”, and we have Wakanda getting wrecked for no good reason. Idk if the IW writers even know rian, let alone got inspired by rian’s fuckery, but ppl rn have the urge to compare IW with TLJ for a reason.
Tony, Joseph, and Rian Russo: Three edgy bros who wreck and reverse developments from prior movies for funsies, fall over themselves justifying genocide and are racist as shit.
Same anon again, just ignore this if you don’t want discuss it more, but I want to make sure I explained it correctly, the criticism I read is not about similar personalities, it’s about the visual duality of them as reflections of each other. Is that symbolism weird? I’m asking bc while I agree there’s social norms The Handmaiden didn’t cross, nothing it did felt uncomfortable to me. I guess I saw the film more as a subversion of the male gaze than one trying to imagine a world without it?
I still don’t understand the critique. Kim Tae-ri and Kim Min-hee don’t look anything alike (the latter is also 8 years older), and if anything they dressed in contrasting ways for much of the movie. Hideko was in expensive Western style dresses and sometimes kimonos, while Sook-Hee was in a simple form of traditional Korean dress showing the contrasts in their nationalities and stations. They briefly both dressed in kimonos after the wedding as part of their disguise, but later on when they switched to Western dress this time Hideko was dressed as a man (she was pretending to be Fujiwara, in fact, whose real name I discovered is Pandol Koh). Maybe you could send me a link if you have one, hearing it secondhand maybe causing the confusion.
Yeah, I think The Handmaiden overall was filmed tastefully, and even the explicit scenes weren’t done in an overtly objectifying way.
I’m pretty sure the people of wakanda weren’t trying to protect Vision? They were trying to protect the Stone that was ingrained into Vision’s head because if Thanos got the Stone, the entire universe is fucked (which was proven to be true when half of the humans disintegrated the moment Thanos got all the infinity stones). Wakanda was chosen to shelter Vision because it’s the most advanced place in the earth, I think. It’s not because of black people or anything.
So correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding the Stone could be destroyed–except, without the help of Wakandan technology, it would kill Vision. So yeah the whole Wakanda detour sounds like it was more about saving Vision than the universe lol.
Also, racism in media seldom manifests that explicitly. By your metric no work would be racist except maybe Birth of a Nation. Yes, there may be plot reasons for it (though pretty flimsy in the case of Wakanda), but the end result is that the audience got to see a whole lot of Black people die on screen, and a country set up as a shining beacon of Black excellence was wrecked in the very next movie. I find that distasteful as hell and people have every right to be upset.
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