When it’s been 3 years of constant fandom fights, hot takes, speculations, shipping nonsense, sexists and racists causing chaos, and you just want want IX to finish what TFA started so Star Wars can be fun again:
I want to be free of this trilogy
I just want it to not be a total trashfire so I can let it go and be at peace.
Think Joker and Harley for example. You know their toxic and that’s interesting concept to explore. So you role with just that. No AUs of WHAT IF Joker wasn’t abusive to Harley and relationship wasn’t toxic. That’s what LJ is doing with reylo which is fine. There’s no right or wrong way to ship things.
Now as for other antis reaction to this. Well they just don’t like people shipping reylo period critically or not. We seen how they act with just mulitpshippers alone or even people indifferent of the ship.
So yeah that’s mostly it, my stance I’m neutral on matter. If you agree fine if not fine. If you still unsure on the matter just do common thing block and keep it moving.
I’m still enough of an anti to think there is a wrong way to ship, or at least that you should take responsibility for what you say and create and are not free from criticism for it. You know, basic personal and creative responsibility stuff. But otherwise yeah, pretty much. Thanks for setting the record straight on your side of the fandom.
(cont from previous ask) + accepting their dynamic is pretty
horrible. kyl0 is a space nazi, he invaded r3y, etc. and while
acknowledging that, if you want to explore the dynamic offered in canon,
i think there’s nothing stopping you (plural.) it doesn’t mean you ship
r3yl0 as reylows ship it, which is romanticized, even fetishizied,
ignoring how r3y canonly hates kilo + all that. sorry, this got a bit
lengthy.
Yeah like… since when is depiction automatically endorsement? A major problem is that that reylow fandom itself is a trash fire and ship-critical content, I’m pretty sure, is considered ship-bashing and unwelcome in the tag. So basically neither the most vocal antis nor reylows have it through their heads that depiction=/=endorsement, for all the latter might protest to the contrary.
This all really fascinates me. I’ve written an AU fic where Rey leaves a relationship with Ben Solo. The bulk of the story is Finnrey, but does the fact that she *was* with Ben Solo in a failed relationship make me a reylow shipper? Nah. The point is that it didn’t work because Ben was trash. Hell, even TLJ, for all of its poor execution, was a look at what if a connection was forced, and Rey was cheated into having compassion for him? Could something real form? And the answer ended up being no, because Kylo is trash.
I don’t know if it was necessary to look at in canon, but there is value to seeing it fail. To seeing both of their true colors shine through once the manipulations are revealed. Rey recognizes and overcomes naivete while Kylo digs himself deeper into his power-grab. Poorly executed, but if it had been done well, it might have been a great message to little girls everywhere. There’s value to exploring negative relationships in fiction–just not romanticizing them. Which to me, is what “reylows” really are.
This, exactly, which was why I couldn’t give the simplistic yes/no answer that people were demanding. They were basically asking that I either a) apply to myself the association with abuse romanticization, erasure of Finn etc. that had built up around the word “reylo,” or b) lie and deny that I had ever created or would ever create content depicting them in a sexual or romantic relationship.
The fact that reylows take TLJ as an endorsement of their ship shows that they are as simplistic in their mindset as many antis are in believing depiction is endorsement. TLJ’s framing was a mess which is why it fails, but the point that RJ got across, poorly, was that Kylo is a toxic manipulator and a relationship between him and Rey whether as friends or lovers would be deeply unhealthy. RJ said this himself, that Kylo was trying to undermine Rey and make her rely on him, but it’s so frequently ignored and glossed over much like JJ’s assertion that the FO are basically space neo-Nazis.
The Revan fanboy might be the most bearable…? But I’m fine with any of them, really, as long as we agree fandom topics are off limits. I doubt that’s going to be the biggest concern anyway when we’re going to have to take turns peeing into a bottle–assuming we’ll even have one.
All bets are off, however, if the Reylow starts going on about how peeing into a bottle is a symbol of Kylo and Rey fucking.
The heroes of the sequel movies are Rey, Finn, Poe, and Rose. These “leaks” saying Dominic Monaghan is gonna be Luke’s long lost son or the hero of IX is bull.
The heroes of this generation of Star Wars movies are women and people of color, get over it.
Kylo isn’t going to be the hero, Dominic Monaghan, Matt Smith, or whoever isn’t going to be the heroes over the ones we already got.
Wtf people believe that shit? 😂 That would be like Admiral Ackbar being Palpatine’s long lost son and the real hero of the OT.
Why would I care if you’re a reylow shipper or not (my tags to this post don’t even mention them?), your op is terrible no matter what you ship or don’t ship. See? Not judging you by your preferred ships. Just by your terrible terrible use of that quote that equates shipping to race. To the extent reylows are involved at all, this is the kind of shit they pull to equate disliking their ship to racist/homophobic/ableist oppression.
I kind of can’t even believe E.K. Johnston is for real. She’s out there writing SW novels and tells the truth about R*ylo and dares to state that Kylo’s the villain! She said the “bridal carry” isn’t a bridal carry… and that the glorified SW villain merchandise could be dangerous for sugarcoating facism…OMG!
You know what’s the most hilarious thing about all of this? She seems to be unfazed by their wailing. 😂
I was SO AFRAID she would back down and apologize or at least try to clarify her statements to smooth things over. But instead she’s just been tweeting away about other non SW stuff completely ignoring all the flames being sent to her. It’s glorious.
And IMO this is how should be dealt with these people … so I’m so glad someone FINALLY doesn’t back down.
So is Finnrey unlikely because it’s too obvious or because there’s no romantic chemistry? I’ve seen anti Finnreys say both. The idea of re/lo happening, including “platonically,” as I’ve seen shippers argue at one point (by that metric Finnrey is long past canon), is not just unrealistic but disgusting to me after the events of TFA and TLJ.
Wait! What? Anakin and Padmé was unexpected by the audience? In who’s universe?
Akjadlksdjlkadjsakdasds. Sorry I can’t stop laughing.
These asshats were not around for the Prequels were they? Because I remember a huge fucking argument against Anidala being canon (and Pamdé being Luke’s and Leia’s mom) was that “it was too obvious”. And by huge I mean “you couldn’t go near any Star Wars discussion without this shit cropping up at least once” kinda big.
In its own way it was the “reylo” theory of the day. Big, annoying and its proponents enormously irritating and damaging to everyone else’s fun in fandom.
These wankers need to learn their franchise and fandom history, they’re utterly without.
Omg I had NO idea. I mean I think I was spoiled because I saw an interview by Natalie saying it was fun to play a character who is going to fall in love with a much-younger Anakin, but I just assumed from the start it was endgame. I guess that’s the viewpoint of the much-discussed GA who has 0 idea what’s going on in fandom and just looks at what’s on screen.
I wonder if all the arguments against Finnrey happening will similarly look silly in hindsight. I certainly hope so, for a number of reasons. I hope people will increasingly wonder what the big deal was.
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