I’m in complete agreement there. If you ship it, then ship it. If you want to stan for Kylo, whatever. Nobody’s stopping you, nobody can stop you actually. But at least know the difference between fanfiction and canon, and don’t be a condescending ass about how anyone who doesn’t support your very flawed and unsupported view of canon must be duller than a sack of butter knives.
THIS is where many r*ylos have us confused. I never liked r*ylo, But I never had a problem with “that” side of the fandom being “that” way until. Well. They started being that way. They were easier to ignore when it was just a crack ship. They weren’t ALWAYS spamming the tags or going after anyone and everyone who ever disagreed with them or had contradicting theories. (Or if they did, and I just didn’t see it, I imagine it’s because it wasn’t such a huge trend until recently).
But then they couldn’t do anything without constantly trying to sideline Finn while simultaneously fake stanning finnrey to play the “not racist!” card. They couldn’t stop spamming the general tags with their “it’s OBVIOUSLY canon” bs, or tagging other people’s rey or Kylo content as r*ylo, despite being asked not to. They couldn’t just ignore people who disagreed or believed in reysky/Solo, they went out of their way to try to make us a laughing stock and doubled their efforts to prove why “r*ylo will be canon!” Or why the ship didn’t have racist/abusive themes. Or even starting the “people who don’t ship it or believe it’s canon are just too stupid, obviously” and honestly, given the amount of time they had to simmer on this dumbass concept, it’s no surprise it immediately started to boil over with this Shitass sorry excuse of a marketing campaign for TLJ.
The list of horrendous things that part of the fandom has done is too long. It’s not even about “ship and let ship” anymore or having AU’s or enjoying a character. It’s about people stuck so far up their own asses that they refuse to respect/ignore anyone who wouldn’t agree with them. It became a fight for who’s right and who’s better to them. Such an elitist mentality is not one to be sporting around so flippantly while the ship in question IS just another stale white ship. But that correlation doesn’t surprise me either. (I didn’t mean to hijack your post, OP.)
No no, I completely agree with you. And the joke is that they’ve made themselves the laughingstock in the process with their invasive zeal, their wild overreach and their willingness to attck fans who disagree. Honestly they’re such an embarrassment.
🎶Imma bout to say some shit thats gonna get me a bunch of hate🎶
Soooo here we go. I’m not a Reylo shipper or an anti. I really don’t care and I’m happy with who ever falls in love with who, I actually adore reylo accounts and reylo art and I really love everything from facts and interviews that they sue to back up their own theories. I do love them and I support them because why not let people ship what they want. But here’s where I’ve noticed some things that bother me about this fandom. The amount of “antis” which in all honesty, I hate the term. It sounds God awful and like they’re discriminating a race not ship. Its okay for you to not like a ship. You have completely free will to hate a ship with your entire being. But sending death threats is ridiculously dumb. Who the hell is sending a death threat to somebody who wants to ship what they want. Its literally the most stupid thing in the world. And very rude. I’m sure that the “antis” have they’re own ships that they enjoy and wouldn’t enjoy somebody shitting on them and I think that “antis” should really look into good backups to why Reylo could or could not happen. Now. Reylos. Try not to get offended by what I’m going to say next, I know thats a stereotype thats been kinda placed onto your fandom, but seriously, I dont want to offend anybody. Alright. “Antis” are not always out to get you guys. Some reylo accounts understand that. And others think that every anti Reylo account or person that has something to say is out to get them and attack they’re fandom. I’m not saying everybody in this fandom is easily offended but some accounts on this website that ship reylo will flip they’re shit if you try to reason (nicely) with them on your reasons on why reylo isn’t going to happen. I just wanted to get that out. Please read this from a middle sorta gray area in the fandom. I don’t ship anything in this fandom I just observe things, and I have for the past two years. All this shit is ridiculous. Let people ship what the fuck they want. And people who ship what the fuck you want, good for you!!
And
Don’t freak out when someone disagrees with you. Dont freak out if you ship something someone else doesn’t. And please don’t fight eachother over this bullshit.
Cross posting. False sincerity. False sense of moral high ground. Bull shit and shewed narrative. Claiming to be a anti hate is equivalent to something awful. Face it, you,re a Reylo.
Ayyyye what if I told you I actually am not a Reylo shipper and was trying to see things from their point of view and shit but people dont fucking believe me because its like I’m the first person to try and reason with anti Reylo shippers and reylo shippers.
Justifies them. Acts like them. Reylo. Ya cross posted to spread that BS. Reylo. Heck I stay in my lane to avoid them and here you are.
“Please don’t fight each other”
while purposefully crosstagging to start shit. Right.
Okay. Reylo is a blight and an embarrassment to this fandom.
@lj-writes your account is embarrassment to humanity and that’s no joke asshole.
Imagine being this mad that the OP’s request was honored. Or that an anti actually responded to a post that was tagged anti reylo.
You said you mother died of cancer and you don’t care she give you life in this world you should care if not for her you wouldn’t be hating reylos right know @lj-writes
Oh, so this is about the tags and not the body of my addition? I said in my tag I don’t care if other people use that figure of speech. Not caring how others use metaphors doesn’t equate to not caring about my mother, in case you can’t tell the difference.
I also said in the very next tag that since it’s hurtful to others who lost loved ones to cancer I wouldn’t do it. It’s not a figure of speech I generally use anyway–I did it once to spite a shipper who was harassing me over another anti’s use of the comparison and I won’t do it again. This is because, unlike you, I don’t expect my responses to dictate the responses of others or tell other people what to feel.
If my mom and dad died of cancer I would care Star wars is just fiction it’s not real antis think fiction is reality.
Read this over slowly and carefully: I am not you. Your response does not dictate mine. You can tell me not to use that comparison because it’s hurtful to others, but you can’t tell me how to personally feel about it. Are we clear? Super.
If you want to start a discussion about anti activity in general, why don’t you start a new thread and feel free to invite me.
Okay. Reylo is a blight and an embarrassment to this fandom.
@lj-writes your account is embarrassment to humanity and that’s no joke asshole.
Imagine being this mad that the OP’s request was honored. Or that an anti actually responded to a post that was tagged anti reylo.
You said you mother died of cancer and you don’t care she give you life in this world you should care if not for her you wouldn’t be hating reylos right know @lj-writes
Oh, so this is about the tags and not the body of my addition? I said in my tag I don’t care if other people use that figure of speech. Not caring how others use metaphors doesn’t equate to not caring about my mother, in case you can’t tell the difference.
I also said in the very next tag that since it’s hurtful to others who lost loved ones to cancer I wouldn’t do it. It’s not a figure of speech I generally use anyway–I did it once to spite a shipper who was harassing me over another anti’s use of the comparison and I won’t do it again. This is because, unlike you, I don’t expect my responses to dictate the responses of others or tell other people what to feel.
Anyone remember the time The Doctor bridal carried Martha Jones to save her life? And how fans were like, it’s not romantic, he’s just helping her, nothing more?
And yet Kylo Ren force knocks out Rey, picks her up and kidnaps her and it 100% must be romantic foreshadowing.
Fandom, man.
The Doctor ‘*bridal carrying’ Martha was the first thing I thought of when I saw a rey/l0 arguing that if a man ‘bridal carries’ a women they are 100% guaranteed to be in a romantic relationship down the line.
*was the term ‘bridal carry’ a thing before rey/l0?? I mean I know that ‘carry a bride over the threshold’ is a an age old tradition but I’d never seen the term ‘bridal carry’ used to describe anytime a man carries a women in his arms until rey/l0.
As long as we’re talking Doctor Who, the Doctor once carried Amy Pond the same way.
Monster carry would be a better phrase for reylo; bridal carry implies consciousness and willingness to be carried. Relatedly, here’s @monsterscarry for all your “pictures of movie monsters carrying women” needs! (Occasionally nsfw-ish.)
The visual references for having Kylo Ren pick up Rey were connected to the “terrible monster carries away fainting woman” idea. This is reinforced when we see Finn reacting so strongly to it. That was the point: to have Finn see Rey carried off in the arms of a monster.
I’ve never seen that monstercarry blog before, thanks for the link!
Yes, it’s a classic monstercarry. A bridal carry, of course, is consentual and the person being carried is conscious and, you know, wants to be carried.
With Doctor Who, they’re not really bridal carries either, since the women are unconscious, but he’s saving them. Not sure what the term for that is, but it’s not a monstercarry.
Seriously, this is a great observation. It was so obvious once I read it, but somehow I hadn’t connected it to the classic movie monster trope.
Monster carry, omg that is perfect for reylo. Perfect.
When I first read that meta (yup I read it, ugh, back when I was trying to figure out how the hell reylo had become such a thing) I can remember being confused by a the pictures of happy (and conscious) brides being carried by their grooms right above a gif of Kylo knocking Rey unconscious and picking her up and the argument that that was clearly meant to reference a ‘bridal carry’. I’m not an expert on tropes, clearly, and I don’t have a degree in English lit but I’ve got damn EYES and could plainly SEE that its not the same thing at all. And no we aren’t meant to think its the same thing just because Rey is dressed in light colours not even white ffs, find me a bride who would be okay with a dress in the colour of Rey’s costume and Kylo is in black.
And yes the Doctor carrying his companions (I’d completely forgotten about Amy and he carried Clara too) is another thing altogether.
All of this is exactly why I’ve been so confused by the term bridal carry being used any time a man carries a women in his arms. Yes sometimes its meant to foreshadow romance but not always.
I think I’ll go with bridal carry for this:
That’s one of the final scenes (I believe) in An Officer and a Gentleman, and the romance is meant to be there.
Damsel carry for this kind of scene (”in distress” is implied, yeah?):
At this point in their storyline, anyone who chooses to read this as sexual or romantic is definitely fooling themselves. (Amy is, well, his mother-in-law… which sounds weird now that I’ve typed it. Nonetheless, that does put a bit of a damper on that whole sex & romance thing.)
And here’s our monster carry:
The classic monster carry doesn’t foreshadow mutual love with a happy ending, but it does often come with the implication (or direct message) of one-sided attraction and romantic feeling. Poor sad monster just wants to rape love the human woman.
Using the monster carry in TFA is almost certainly one reason some people think of reylo in sexual terms. I didn’t see any sexual or romantic chemistry between Kylo and Rey in the film, and I do think that some people are casting about for an appropriate white guy to pair her with (fandom is utterly predictable in that way), but having Kylo carry her like that? It sends a message, whether intended or not.
(Which might have been part of what the-meta-that-just-goes-on-and-on was saying, but they also said that Rey “friend-zoned” Finn, which is plenty of reason to side-eye the whole thing.)
Yeah, An Officer and a Gentleman is what I think of when I think of the “bridal carry” in film.
An ironic thing about the monstercarry is that the monster carrying off the white woman is a stand-in for a “threatening” minority (think King Kong with its racist Black Brute coding or Dracula who is heavily coded as an Eastern European Jewish man). The monstercarry is not meant to be something desirable. Sure, The Blonde in the various King Kong movies has empathy for him, but she’s never going to be his love. She watches him die and is sad about it, but her endgame is never to be with him.
In that context, it’s fair to say that Kylo monstercarrying Rey is an inversion of a trope, because he’s white and (based on fandom reaction to him) desirable. But he’s never going to be Rey’s love any more than Kong is going to be The Blonde’s love. Even if she finds empathy for him (and I don’t doubt she will). The man she loves is a Black man. And, in that context, with the racist overtones of many past monstercarrys, that’s actually pretty cool, IMO.
Spot the difference! (Hint: there isn’t one.)
It also seems like TFA based a lot of the Rey and Kylo interaction imagery before she successfully rejects his mental penetration on Christopher Lee as Dracula, which makes sense since he also played a Sith of royal lineage (Count Dooku). If they were going to reference any one specific classic movie monster’s monstercarry and intentionally rapist-coded demeanor, I could absolutely see Abrams putting in a nod to Lee as a Super Nerdy Easter Egg (like his Beastie Boys references or the masked celebrity cameos. TFA, thy middle name is Super Nerdy Easter Eggs).
I can’t believe I didn’t know there was a term for the monstercarry before now!
WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK THAT THE INTENTION OF SHOWING A BLACK-CAPED MURDERER (“A CREATURE IN A MASK,” NATCH) CARRYING AN UNCONSCIOUS WOMAN IN DRAPING WHITE (ok beige) HARKENS TO ANYTHING ELSE?
I hadn’t thought of it as a Christopher Lee homage, but it makes sense. Lee died in 2015, too.
something to note is that the artist who drew the kylo and rey celebration piece that @aimmyarrowshigh referenced said himself that it WAS meant to be a parallel to those old 50’s/60’s monster movie posters with the monster carrying the unconscious heroine (“monster carry” as other people in the thread have called it). if he (and the folks at LF he said he worked with) drew that comparison, i don’t think it’s a stretch to say that was the original intention in the film
Well isn’t that an interesting detail the reyl0s choose to ignore. I’ve seen so many of them claim that there is NO WAY Disney would have approved that celebration piece unless the ‘bridal carry’ was meant to foreshadow romance.
They know. I remember an argument I had on Reddit with them. They insulted the original intentions by the artist, and even went to the point of questioning him all the way on Instagram. The author was flabbergasted about their interpretation and specified that was never the intention. No official employees from LucasFilm communicated to him a “secret agenda”, not even a romantic or sexual connection between these characters. He said that he was trying to interpret the monster carry in a different angle of the scene.
Unfortunately, some antis were disrespectful towards the artist as well because they thought he was favoring Reylo when he specified the opposite. It was a gigantic mess.
here’s (part of, unfortunately this is the only screen cap i have) the actual apology since unfortunately he’s deleted it so the link on that reddit post doesn’t work
this is literally so fucking stupid like excuse me if I don’t care for 37-year-old Patricia The Fandom Veteran who grew up writing racist fetish porn on livejournal back when there weren’t so many SJWs And Antis 🙄 to tell her that she was being gross, and she’s a weirdo who never grew out of this so now she feels oppressed because today young people in fandom know better and don’t want creeps like her anywhere near them. Guess I was a misogynist all along
Oh my god the reach. I’m 38 with a husband and a baby and if you think we’re Oppressed™ by fandom for our age and gender… lmao bitch we ARE fandom and all too often the worst parts of it. Like maybe don’t be gross as fuck and you won’t be dragged for your behavior?
ima be honest. if you’re so deep into “fandom” mumbo jumbo that you make up fake stories after the age of like 23 it means you don’t have intimacy in your life so here’s hoping the 39 year old reylo shipper gets laid one of these days
uh… except no? I’m 32 and in the most satisfying intimate relationship of my life and I’ve written 150k words of “fandom mumbo jumbo fake stories” in the past six months so… no. Also if you’re hating on fandom participants over the age of like 23 then kiss AO3 goodbye because that sure as fuck isn’t being run by high schoolers and college kids.
Now pardon me, I have to go have sex with my amazing boyfriend to make sure I get this kink I’m writing right.
Married 38 year old fan here who wrote a 160k word fanfic, plus many more, and just to clarify op is referring to a 39 year old shipper making up a fake story (not fanfic) about telling off a 14 year old anti in a bathroom, the 14 yo’s mom making the kid apologize, the mom buying the shipper a crepe and then I guess the down with cis bus rolled up. I’m not on board with the virgin shaming either, but it’s really not about fanfic writers.
Can’t wait for the day some BNF re/ylo says people hating their toxic, dangerous ship is oppression
Haven’t they already said that though?
You know, it wouldn’t surprise me. I haven’t seen it, but I would believe it exists.
@nutheadgee you know, I was worried I might be putting evil out into the world but the evil I feared was here all along
Remember “reylophobe”
Remember a shipper using #loveislove for a reylo post, also dragging Tangled into it because evidently they need to spread the misery to other fandoms as well
Remember them saying their fave is neurodiverse so disliking their ship is ableist
Remember them comparing Killer Rem’s to trans experiences remember remember remember
This isn’t even a new thing. It was the playbook from Day 1.
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