Are you high? Yes, Damerey is antiblack. Finnrose as it stands right now is antiblack. Reylo is antiblack. Finnpoe is not because Finn and Poe have an established friendship. Reyva is not because wlw relationships in a mainstream movie are nonexistent and Jessika is not white. Now I think you’re just shitting on black people. Idk if you’re just tired of pretending to care about the bullshit we endure in this fucked up fandom or what but literally you sound exactly like every antiblack reylo.

nutheadgee:

lj-writes:

leg-grestrade:

lj-writes:

Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.

I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.

I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.

After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.

that said this shropeshire bitch is still blocked she has good reasons to be mad probably but she can do it away from my inbox and notes she’ll no doubt say this confirms i’m a coward but w/e could give less of a shit what she thinks of me and furthermore fandom racism antiblackness anti reylo apology

Those are your tags. You “apologise” then in the tags continue calling someone ”a bitch” AND IN THE SAME BREATH saying she “deserves to be mad”. Make up your mind. You are being very dodgy as a non black with how you choose to interact with black people. I always knew you felt a sense of correct entitlement because of your age and the fact that people feel that you are an anti (which, is also currently suspect LMFAO) but now I think you’re starting to show your true colours.

I should have been clearer, I blocked ssg not because of this exchange but because she called me a coward when I said I was no longer publishing asks on the subject of shipping discourse that made no new points (link). Someone who baits and insults me for having boundaries and not wanting my blog to be endlessly repetitive is not someone I have time for. I spoke wrongly in response to her and I regret that. This was about correcting my own mistake, not pathetically seeking the approval of someone who dislikes me and calls me names.

As for her having good reasons to be mad, I meant just that: she has good, valid reasons to be angry because Black fans are treated like shit in this fandom and most others. That doesn’t mean I am obligated to interact with her or have her come into my inbox constantly.

I’m amused that you think being an anti is a source of moral correctness for me when rather the opposite would appear to be true. Seriously every fandom faction has been trash at some point–some, like reylos, more than others–and using identification with any one of them as a source of moral validation just fails on its face, almost as much as using age in the same way.

Please feel free to block me if you think I’m not acting in good faith. In fact I’d prefer it, since I’m not sure right now who’s comfortable interacting with me and I’d rather not unwittingly step on anyone’s boundaries.

mollymerula:

mollymerula:

do you think there was like…discourse about Jane Austen novels when they first came out

ladies’ weekly tea and reading club: welcome to the meeting. we have exiled Charlotte because she stans Mr. Wickham

halfhardtorock:

Fandom left livejournal, a platform that allowed for closed community groups (through friends only sharing) to move to tumblr, a platform that could not provide the same closed community spaces and was already being used by a much younger crowd.

Bitching and complaining about changing fandom demographics is really delusional to me when this change was always inevitable, especially on tumblr. We are not that old school, locked down, adult-oriented community anymore. The culture is changing and growing. And thank god, because that fandom (which all you old timers keep nostalgically recalling) was hyper-racist, hyper-homophobic, hyper-ableist and virulently misogynistic. You can say all you want about how fandom wasn’t ever JUST straight, middle aged white women and was always diverse but the truth is it ALWAYS skewed towards middle aged white women (when there were bnfs, they were almost predominantly middle aged, straight white women) and their needs and their desires.

The people who talk about “purity culture” and the “anti-shipping community” are completely obscuring whats real about fandom now: that changing demographics means changing culture and changing values about what’s socially acceptable to the people here. Like you can all go try to hide in your new throwback lj on pillowfort but you can’t fucking turn back time and force fandom back into the goddamn past where it came from.

Which should be a good thing?? Fandom creative output is so much more interesting now than it has ever ever been. There’s so many more voices and unique narratives and thoughtful ideas and younger ideas. Wanting to go backwards is so weird and embarrassing to me. You all really want old school fandom where people gleefully, openly slutshamed the rl wives of their white slash ship and no one shut it down?? I know shit can be just as toxic now but can’t any of you remember a time when that shit was the norm?? Like go stick your fucking head in that toxic hole again where we all loathed women including ourselves but ill pass.

I think it’s a pretty small thing to have to give up certain kinds of creative works in order to care for the wellbeing of people in fandom social spaces. I am saying this as someone who never thought twice about writing whatever the fuck I wanted back in the day and made the same tired arguments about the difference between fiction and reality/morality, blah blah blah. I’ve come to realize that the things I put out in fandom have the ability to cause harm to people who have just as much right to be here as I do. And that we can’t pretend fanfic is both transformative/an artform but also has no ability to cause harm to readers. We can’t fight to legitimize fandom creative works while at the same time undermining critical engagement with fandom works when we find that engagement unfun or unpleasant.

Anyway I’ve said this all before but there you go again.

We can’t fight to legitimize fandom creative works while at the same time undermining critical engagement with fandom works