Tag: fandom racism

Are you high? Yes, Damerey is antiblack. Finnrose as it stands right now is antiblack. Reylo is antiblack. Finnpoe is not because Finn and Poe have an established friendship. Reyva is not because wlw relationships in a mainstream movie are nonexistent and Jessika is not white. Now I think you’re just shitting on black people. Idk if you’re just tired of pretending to care about the bullshit we endure in this fucked up fandom or what but literally you sound exactly like every antiblack reylo.

blacklavellan:

lj-writes:

leg-grestrade:

lj-writes:

Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.

I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.

I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.

After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.

did you really just apologize about downplaying what black fans go through – then call the person who brought it up to you and, who you were being flippant to in the first place, a bitch in your tags while also saying ‘you understand her reasons’?

that’s not highly suspect in your damn mind that saying one thing and then say that in your goddamn tags?

My fault for taking it out of context. She was being a bitch on another post which was the catalyst for my blocking her, not this exchange. At the very least I wasn’t in a place where I could deal with her, nor did I think it productive to interact, when she was calling me a coward and racist for saying I would delete repeat asks. Ironic, considering that I answered her own ask after making that announcement because I decided she did make a novel point. See my other reply on this thread for the link if you’re curious. (I see that your note was actually earlier, maybe I didn’t scroll far enough to see it.)

I think she has every reason to be angry at fandom’s awful treatment of Black fans. What she doesn’t get to do is call me a coward over having boundaries and otherwise treat me like shit over something I’ve already explained. If she’s not satisfied with that explanation, fine; she can block me and stay away. She doesn’t get to insult and harass me over it.

Are you high? Yes, Damerey is antiblack. Finnrose as it stands right now is antiblack. Reylo is antiblack. Finnpoe is not because Finn and Poe have an established friendship. Reyva is not because wlw relationships in a mainstream movie are nonexistent and Jessika is not white. Now I think you’re just shitting on black people. Idk if you’re just tired of pretending to care about the bullshit we endure in this fucked up fandom or what but literally you sound exactly like every antiblack reylo.

nutheadgee:

lj-writes:

leg-grestrade:

lj-writes:

Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.

I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.

I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.

After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.

that said this shropeshire bitch is still blocked she has good reasons to be mad probably but she can do it away from my inbox and notes she’ll no doubt say this confirms i’m a coward but w/e could give less of a shit what she thinks of me and furthermorefandom racism antiblackness anti reylo apology

Those are your tags. You “apologise” then in the tags continue calling someone ”a bitch” AND IN THE SAME BREATH saying she “deserves to be mad”. Make up your mind. You are being very dodgy as a non black with how you choose to interact with black people. I always knew you felt a sense of correct entitlement because of your age and the fact that people feel that you are an anti (which, is also currently suspect LMFAO) but now I think you’re starting to show your true colours.

I should have been clearer, I blocked ssg not because of this exchange but because she called me a coward when I said I was no longer publishing asks on the subject of shipping discourse that made no new points (link). Someone who baits and insults me for having boundaries and not wanting my blog to be endlessly repetitive is not someone I have time for. I spoke wrongly in response to her and I regret that. This was about correcting my own mistake, not pathetically seeking the approval of someone who dislikes me and calls me names.

As for her having good reasons to be mad, I meant just that: she has good, valid reasons to be angry because Black fans are treated like shit in this fandom and most others. That doesn’t mean I am obligated to interact with her or have her come into my inbox constantly.

I’m amused that you think being an anti is a source of moral correctness for me when rather the opposite would appear to be true. Seriously every fandom faction has been trash at some point–some, like reylos, more than others–and using identification with any one of them as a source of moral validation just fails on its face, almost as much as using age in the same way.

Please feel free to block me if you think I’m not acting in good faith. In fact I’d prefer it, since I’m not sure right now who’s comfortable interacting with me and I’d rather not unwittingly step on anyone’s boundaries.

Are you high? Yes, Damerey is antiblack. Finnrose as it stands right now is antiblack. Reylo is antiblack. Finnpoe is not because Finn and Poe have an established friendship. Reyva is not because wlw relationships in a mainstream movie are nonexistent and Jessika is not white. Now I think you’re just shitting on black people. Idk if you’re just tired of pretending to care about the bullshit we endure in this fucked up fandom or what but literally you sound exactly like every antiblack reylo.

leg-grestrade:

lj-writes:

Look, I really can’t keep track of all those categories of what is an acceptable ship or not. I do in fact vocally dislike the first three ships and am annoyed with the shippers (and gotten the shit to show for it), but it’s like you said–I’m just not that woke™. If being an ally in fandom means being completely up on those different categories and toeing the line exactly, then I’m not up for it. All I have ever been doing here was trying to have fun and bitching about the shit that makes fandom unfun for me and others. I don’t consider that activism or political in any way and never have.

I’m sorry but this isn’t okay. I really hope you’re just angry and when things calm down you’ll understand how flippant and offensive what you’ve written here is. Being an ally in fandom has nothing to do with toeing any line and glibly speaking about wokeness in this way when there are actual people being hurt every day by fandom antiblackness is a really bad look. A lot of black fans are not able to have fun just being themselves. For you to complain in this way is extremely tone deaf and I’m really surprised at you.

I don’t like reylo but I was fine with your answer to my question. I don’t like reylo in any shape or form but I do think there are gradations they fall within and without the realm of shipping. I understand being frustrated by those who either are unwilling or unable to absorb what you’re saying. But your answer is an insult to black Finnrey fans who are reylo antis and I really hope that once tempers have cooled you will retract this.

After thinking about it and cooling down a bit, I agree with you and I apologize that I downplayed the crap Black fans go through by accusing their pain of being, basically, political correctness run amok. It was disingenuous of me to conflate the pushback against reylow etc. with, say, reyva. Thanks for being understanding of my position.

Love how you pretended to gaf about the black people who suffer at the hands of reylo and you shipped that shit all along. Priceless. This is why I and other black fans realize that solidarity between black people and non-black POC is a myth. You have the luxury of being able to say this shit without getting your inbox blown up with racial slurs. People should have known you were reylo trash when you admitted to being antiblack against Finn.

I mean obviously I have the privilege not to have racist hatred directed against me, and have commented on this before. For that reason I am not the right person to take any kind of lead on the hatred Black fans face in fandom, and I have made that clear a number of times. The best I can do is support and validate Black fans, and if you now believe that was disingenuous on my part there’s nothing I can do to dissuade you. Like you said I do in fact have and always will have racist and antiblack biases and will continue to try to confront and examine them, but obviously that’s my own thing to do and no one is obligated to cheer me on or hold my hand through it.

Shortly after TFA came out, a reylo wrote a finnrey story where Finn is a soldier back from war married to Rey and because of PTSD, he begins abusing her emotionally and physically. She feels she needs to stick by him because of the PTSD even though she has fallen for “Ben” while Finn was at war. The author said she was working through issues of her father who was a soldier with PTSD who returned from Afghanistan and abused her mother. How is this different from your situation?

Are you seriously comparing a fic that depicts Finn as an abuser to a fic that depicts BS as an abuser? What you’re describing is pretty much the situation with the reylow batb abo AU (cursed!) that put Finn in Gaston’s role. For that matter it’s also like their metas and videos that say Poe is Gaston: shifting BS’s violence against Rey onto Finn and Poe for reasons that have nothing to do with canon and everything to do with BS woobification and implicit racism. They had a right to create these works, and others had a right to criticize them.

jewishcomeradebot:

Like… that person straight up said that two Black women were “endangering marginalized people” and “too absolutist” because they didn’t use language nuanced enough for their liking…

*flies off into the sun*

I read the two additions that set them off to figure out what was so threatening or extreme and I STILL DON’T GET IT. Also did they compare two Black women to people who wrongfully call the cops on others to frighten and harm them sdfkgjdgsgl what kind of wilfully ignorant bullshit

Need some proof, my dude. Aaron has issues but this seems like reylo propaganda like when they accused a black finnrey fan of threatening Asian fans and it turned out they were the ones sending her violent pornography and making rape threats. There’s like two black fans left that aren’t reylos. Don’t do reylos jobs for them.

themandalorianwolf:

I’m not making this up, and have no reason to, and I hate reylos as much as the next person, but the blogger theautisticjedi admits to everything and she’s not a Reylo. She’s not even 18 and she was younger than she is now when all this was happening.

Beyond that, he’s been told before to chill, take a breather, and stop being so aggressive and antagonistic with people. I know he’s got issues and I really hope he gets help, but I wouldn’t make this up. I know there is barley any black fans left, I’m one of them, but when a blogger reaches out to me telling me that another blogger is creeping on a minor, and then I talk to the blogger and find out its true, then I gotta say something. 

It sucks, it really does. As a black fan, I don’t want to be the one to do this and probably I’ll lose some points in a lot of people’s books and get black listed here and there, but I’m not here to be popular, I’m here to speak my mind. I wouldn’t be saying this if it wasn’t true and I don’t want to be the one saying this at all. I sat on this for the last 2 days because I didn’t know how to word it and…I really just didn’t want to be the person who said this. 

It’s true. I saw the screenshots too, and they were horrifying. I’m the one who approached @themandalorianwolf about ibb’s behavior after @theautisticjedi spoke to me. I understand anon’s point, false accusations against Black people are rampant both irl and online, and it’s a sensitive issue which was why I wanted a Black blogger to take the lead. It was very hard for Wolf yet he stepped up like nobody’s business, and he will always have my admiration for that.

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

jewishcomeradebot:

themandalorianwolf:

“Finn is the military part of the trilogy, him having the force wouldn’t work.”

Characters who have had the force and were also apart of the military aspects:

Kanan Jarrus

Ezra Bridger

Ahsoka Tano

Luke Skywalker

Rey

General Leia Organa

EVERY SINGLE JEDI IN TCW THAT WENT BY GENERAL OR COMMANDER

The force and the military have never been separated. Even TLJ, can’t erase the fact that Rey specifically says she’s with the Resistance and was sent to Luke because of them.

Finn can have the force and be a commander in the Resistance. Y’all just looking for reasons to make him less important. It’s a you problem, not a Finn problem.

It’s kinda funny, because people have been trying to make a case for Han having the Force since 1977, no matter that his arc was about becoming a responsible leader and a general. Funny how having the Force was and is not see as ruining his character and that fans thought it’d work brilliantly for him, but somehow it’s a detriment to Finn?

[insert thinking emoji]

Also missing: any serious fandom speculation of Lando having the Force, despite his piloting and brilliant tactical judgment saving the day. Nah, Lando’s got to be the Everyman even though he clearly isn’t, I wonder why? 🤣

I’ve seen every excuse why Finn can’t be force sensitive.

“He lost to Nines and Kylo.”

Finn never used a lightsaber before and every SW protagonist has gotten their ass handed to them, including Rey the first time she met Kylo.

“He needs saving.”

He’s saved more people than anyone has saved him.

“He’s the Han Solo type”.

Han and Finn are fundamentally different, and even if he wasn’t, fans have been asking/claiming Han was force sensitive for decades.

“Finn’s the every man.”

Finn is an ex Stormtrooper who was stolen from his family, raised in a fascist organization and goes on an adventure with a homeless, an old pirate, and big foot. What the fuck kind of every man is that?

“Finn was a bait and switch to hide Rey being force sensitive and the real protagonist.”

Rey uses the force multiple different times that have no actual relation to Finn until she fights to save his life. Beyond that, Finn shows his own hints of being force sensitive, and he is the co-protagonist.

There is actually no reason for Finn not to be force sensitive beyond some people not lining the idea of it.

In addition to the above very valid points (bigfoot lmaoooo), Finn was in the 99% percentile in Stormtrooper training and considered officer material other than that pesky empathy of his. If he’s an Everyman then Bill Gates is a middle class dad.

jewishcomeradebot:

themandalorianwolf:

“Finn is the military part of the trilogy, him having the force wouldn’t work.”

Characters who have had the force and were also apart of the military aspects:

Kanan Jarrus

Ezra Bridger

Ahsoka Tano

Luke Skywalker

Rey

General Leia Organa

EVERY SINGLE JEDI IN TCW THAT WENT BY GENERAL OR COMMANDER

The force and the military have never been separated. Even TLJ, can’t erase the fact that Rey specifically says she’s with the Resistance and was sent to Luke because of them.

Finn can have the force and be a commander in the Resistance. Y’all just looking for reasons to make him less important. It’s a you problem, not a Finn problem.

It’s kinda funny, because people have been trying to make a case for Han having the Force since 1977, no matter that his arc was about becoming a responsible leader and a general. Funny how having the Force was and is not see as ruining his character and that fans thought it’d work brilliantly for him, but somehow it’s a detriment to Finn?

[insert thinking emoji]

Also missing: any serious fandom speculation of Lando having the Force, despite his piloting and brilliant tactical judgment saving the day. Nah, Lando’s got to be the Everyman even though he clearly isn’t, I wonder why? 🤣