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Reylos: There is nothing romantic whatsoever about Finn and Rey what are finnreys smoking 😂 friendship goals 👍👌👊 brotp forever!!! 💖🙌😜

Also reylos:

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Hmm

Mask out that nasty bitch and flip that shit

Add Finn and Rey’s hug from The Last Jedi

Lower the opacity and

Over 1800 notes and not one (1) criticism or callout.

The Reylow fandom, folks.

mace-windu-appreciationweek:

Mace Windu: We’re here to arrest you.

Palpatine: *murders the other three Jedi there*

Palpatine: *literally using a DEADLY force move against Mace Windu*

Mace Windu: *defending himself, because if he stops for even a MOMENT he will be killed by the lightening he’s redirecting*

Mace: Anakin this man, who is literally actively trying to kill me in such a way if I stop this defensive stance I will die, is too dangerous to live. He is currently ACTIVELY trying to kill me, right now.

Anakin: This isn’t the Jedi way.

Anakin stans and people who hate Mace for no reason: SEE Mace is BAD and WRONG, him insisting that a man who just murdered three of his fellows and is STILL actively attempting to murder him as the scene takes place means it’s just like Anakin beheading a disarmed and non-resisting Dooku. MACE IS BAD!!!1!

diversehighfantasy:

fuckyeahrebelfinn:

1) I wasn’t glossing over any fact. Poe is a deutertagonist. He was a duetertagonist in TFA and he was a deutertagonist in TLJ as well.

That word means secondary lead.

What it does not mean and what you and every other Antiblack Poe stan – that btw seems to be the lot of you – in this fandom doesn’t get is that that doesn’t mean he won’t have a story line of his own.

This does still not make him the male lead.. It doesn’t make him male protagonist of the ST. That is still Finn. And as deutertagonist Poe is going to be supporting Finn’s story, just like he did in TLJ never mind that he also had a story of his own.

Of course, you’re far too Antiblack to notice any of this, much less accept that Poe is the secondary male lead in the ST. He is and have always been a secondary character to Finn’s main male lead. That is not going to change in IX.

2) I was connecting Finn to the main villain. Who is Kylo Ren. Who happens to be played by a white dude yes. Not the issue and you damn well know this, you’re just being a hypocrite.

And since Rey, the main female lead, is bound to be in that conflict somewhere too I mentioned her. While I personally would rather leave her out of that conflict as she’s already defeated Kylo and left him in the dust twice and seeing the two go at it again will be boring, I doubt JJ is going to do that. Hence why she’s mentioned in the post.

And yes I’d much rather have had a Rey of color, but the casting is what it is. Still not the issue and you damn well know that.

Finn’s narrative importance depends very much on his being in the main conflict. We saw what happened when he’s put in a side story in TLJ, I do not want that to happen again. What is more, Finn being directly involved against Kylo Ren – apart from being the only thing that fits his set up in TFA – does affect his perceived importance in both media and fandom.

Or didn’t you notice how everyone was throwing tantrums before TFA because it looked like the central hero and Jedi was going to be a Black man? A breathed a collective sigh of relief when it became clear that at least the Jedi legacy appeared to be safely in white hands, even if said hands were female?

Also, Finn not being involved in the main conflict and going directly against Kylo, goes against everything that John indicated about how the shooting is going, that all of them are together. Finn and Rey, and also Poe and Rose. (Funny how you give fuck all about Rose.) And Adam, hence Kylo will be there as well.

But you seem to want Finn kept in a side plot again. You seem to want Finn to be kept safely away from any conflict with Kylo Ren and have him play second fiddle to Poe, to keep him from righteously kicking Kylo’s ass at last after being defeated at the end of TFA. As a bare minimum, Finn should be allowed to do that much, to get restitution for that defeat. And that would mean placing him in the focus of the story and in Kylo Ren’s path, where Finn belongs as he’s the male protagonist in the ST.

Wonder why you don’t want to have him there? Why you don’t want him to have that?

Don’t bother answering though. For one thing I already know the answer to this question- For another you’re blocked!

Stay mad about that.

~Mod Mara

Here’s the thing: For Finn to be a lead (and he is), his relationships with white characters are important, because the other protagonist is a white woman. His relationship with Han was important, his relationship with Phasma is important, and his foil relationship with Kylo Ren is important. And yes, I hope he somehow forges a relationship with Luke, too.

This is not to say his relationships with Poe and Rose aren’t important – they are. But miss me with this “you attach Finn’s value to his attachment to white characters” bullshit. Finn is a lead in his own right, and as a lead, he has to be connected to white characters. Rey is white and there’s nothing we can do about it (no disrespect to Daisy Ridley). To say Finn’s relationships to white characters devalues him is to say he should be segregated away from Rey and Luke and Kylo. Which would make him a side character. It’s a shitty argument.

fuckyeahrebelfinn:

nightesttwing:

fuckyeahrebelfinn:

So going by hints on social media it seems that Adam is in Jordan too. So we could be getting a return to Jakku for not just Finn and Rey, but for Kylo too.

Or course there might be something in that old Imperial base that the First Order wants.

Or maybe Kylo is once more chasing Finn and Rey while they’re trying to find or save something or someone.

Or given that the late post-Palpatine Empire or early First Order depending on how you look at it was tied to a Dark Side sect called The Acolytes of the Void as well as the fact that that base was where the FO Stomtrooper program was born there might be secrets for both Finn and Rey to uncover and information that Kylo would want for himself and the Knights of Ren and any encounter between the three is entirely by chance. Though given Kylo’s hatred of both Finn and Rey that would be bound to end in violence.

~Mod Mara

“hatred of Finn and Rey” That’s… did you watch the movies? He most certainly doesn’t hate Rey and Finn is pretty much too indifferent for him to hate (unless he’s standing between him & Rey).

Yes I watched them, but clearly you didn’t. Or just blanked entirely on them.

You… kinda missed Kylo’s hate on for Finn in TFA. It had nothing to do with Rey, but accepting that means accepting that Finn is the central, male lead and you guys just can’t handle that.

And you missed that entire bit where Kylo tried to kill Rey at the end of TLJ after she rejects him, orders his troops to blow the Falcon out of the sky knowing she’s on board and he straight up promises to destroy her when confronting Luke.

But dream on. Take your ignorance, racism and misogyny elsewhere.

I mean Kylo stared for an uncomfortably long time at Finn on Jakku and intimidated him by unfreezing Poe’s blaster bolt, immediately came up with Finn’s designation number when Hux mentioned the escaped pilot, and destroyed a whole console at the mention of Finn all before he had ever heard of Rey, but sure he only cares about Finn when Rey is involved 😂

They don’t think Finn could be talked to because they’re racist pieces of shit that got their jollies seeing s black man brutalized and out in their place. I love your blog but I have no idea why you waste time with this reylo loving racist?

Yeah I heard WAY too much of this racist and antiblack apologia in the wake of tlj. I argue back and have since tlj, in the hopes of exposing how repugnant and bankrupt these “arguments” are. It’s honestly scary how eager people are to defend the tasing.

All right, “defend” was too strong a word. I’ll downgrade to “understand.” Though I would also say that Finn’s plan was downright immoral, as it’d deprive Resistance members of an escape pod while he wasn’t even in immediate danger. But yes, Rose was also trigger-happy there.

I mean I guess people can do a lot of violent and unjustifiable things in the heat of rage and grief. What bothers me about TLJ is that there is no acknowledgment that what Rose did was, at the very least, over the top and uncalled for.

The second part of your ask is an off-topic diversion. The conversation was about whether Rose was justified in using violence against Finn when he was not threatening her in any way and there was no indication he could not be talked out of his plan. I happen to disagree with you that his plan was immoral, but let me ask you a more fundamental question: Why does it matter? Do people who make an immoral plan deserve to be physically hurt and humiliated, especially when they can be stopped without such violence? Why did you change the topic to Finn’s immorality when the topic is about the immorality of the violence used against him?

I think you really need to examine why you’re so eager to justify and victim-blame here, and are unable to admit Rose was wrong without bringing up the irrelevant issue of Finn’s wisdom and morality.

Why Kylo Ren is a Christian hero and Finn is not

Along with the more visible reasons, one possible motivation for the insistence that Kylo Ren is the hero of the saga may be a Christian attitude
toward morality and evil. In areas where Christianity is wielded as a tool of cultural dominance, the Christian teaching of redemption and forgiveness has frequently been twisted into cheap grace–the idea that you can be forgiven for anything if you’re sorry enough, and what’s more, you don’t have to be held accountable or change in any meaningful way.

Another factor may be the
contrast between the Christian and Jewish concepts of evil that @jewishcomeradebot talked
about: Evil tends to be an otherworldly, demonic thing in Christianity but is an
all too human phenomenon in Judaism, and Ren’s character in TFA is an example of the latter (link, current link to full post).

Take these together and, for
large portions of a Christian/Christianized audience, someone who
actually feels sorry or conflicted can’t be truly evil because they are too
human and still redeemable. Since Kylo Ren is obviously human and feels conflict about his actions he is just a “sorry” away from a get out of jail free card and the hero slot. It doesn’t hurt that he’s an able-bodied white cis man, either.

In contrast, Finn in TFA is a terrible Christian hero, at least if we look through the lens of cheap grace and Christianity as cultural dominance. He isn’t shown feeling enough conflict for acts
like killing and lying. He isn’t torn up about his fundamentally
shameful and sinful nature like a good Christian redemptive hero
should be. When he does speak to Rey about the shame he unfairly felt from his
abuse it’s in the past tense, though of course the kind of treatment he has suffered will reverberate for a while yet.

As I discussed in a meta arguing Finn stands for the Balance in the Force (link), Finn does not beat himself up even for his more morally complex acts, either. He fights and kills Stormtroopers
in self-defense and the defense of others, but makes no soliloquies about
how he is a monster destined to kill. He makes things right after
lying to Rey by coming clean to her in a confession that obviously cost
him a great deal, and his conscience is clear. He doesn’t even pretend to be sorry
about misleading the Resistance so he can get to Rey, but he makes up for it by handing them a huge victory. He’s an actually
upright if complicated man who acts on his own moral code, and
he doesn’t feel the need for redemption or salvation.

Finn’s uncompromising dignity, his utter rightness with himself, may be
one of the few unforgivable sins in the kind of Christian framework I described.
Mass murder and genocide can be forgiven if you’re sorry enough, but
failing to suffer from your own sinful nature and not needing a lord and
savior? That’s a bridge too far in some people’s eyes. A
man like that is too free and independent, and cannot be controlled by shame or threats. The
antipathy for this kind of independence can interact in toxic ways with
racism and antiblackness as well, because Finn in Earth terms happens to
be from a group that society says are lesser and should be fundamentally ashamed of themselves.

Of course there is a great deal of racism at play in the fact that large sections of fandom see a mass murderer and patricide as the anointed hero of the galaxy, while at the same time dismissing a conscientious and brave hero as either a violent monster or a minor character of no importance. In addition, however, there may be a cultural divide in that Kylo Ren comes in a more familiar mold to many members of the audience–that of the (white) redemptive hero who can get away with literally anything, for whom grace is so cheap as to be free. Finn in TFA, on the other hand, is something altogether different and, in the eyes of many, worse: Someone who is at peace with himself where he has no business being. Perhaps it is no surprise, though no less sad, that the sequel felt the need to violently punish and mock Finn for the “sin” of his pride.

reylo: “men want kylo to be this bad villain cuz their toxic masculinity can’t understand a character with conflict and emotions” wat

Have they spent any time in fandom? It’s the white dudes who are salivating for him to be the hero wtf

opisrussianonmain:

themandalorianwolf:

The Episode IX trailer should show Rey and Finn kissing. Just drop the mic, JJ and let everyone know what they should expect.

Agreed. But can you imagine the complete and utter meltdown in fandom if that happens?

In addition to such a development making complete sense, if JJ wants to use controversy to drum up publicity and interest after TLJ this would be the perfect way to do it. It would make #BlackStormtrooper look like a pebble plinked in a puddle. Best of all, it would make the racists show their asses all the way because there is literally nothing objectionable about a FinnRey romantic pairing at all.