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jewishcomeradebot:

One line in @themandalorianwolf‘s meta about Finn and his relationship with his past struck a cord with me, but it’s rather tangential to the topic so I’m hiving off.

The line is this one:

[Finn] had no clue that Poe would want to go back to Jakku and probably assumed Poe would go directly to the Resistance base…

Because yes, this is exactly what Finn would expect to happen when he sat down and planned his escape. That Poe flies directly (or maybe in a circuitous route) back to the Resistance. 

Which would mean what precisely?

That Finn isn’t just trying to escape, but defect? Which puts the first reason he gives Poe “It’s the right thing to do” in a bit of a new light, he’s trying to sell himself as a potential Resistance fighter? 

Does Finn expects to be taken as a prisoner of war, being an enemy soldier and all.

Obviously things does not go the way Finn expected them to and he had ample time during his trek through Jakku’s desert to rethink his plan and come up with a new one which was “get as far away from the First Order as possible”.

Sensible one too, but thinking about it I doubt it would be his initial one. Unless he thought he could talk Poe into dropping him off somewhere en route. But he’d also know that he would not be able to count on that, that he in a very likely scenario would end up in the hands of the Resistance and/or the Republic.

What did he think would happen to him then?

I don’t think he was thinking that far, at least at that very urgent moment. He talked about getting out of the system altogether, and not about the destination. That was the first thing on his mind, getting away from the First Order rather than to anywhere. Given his later actions I think it’s probable that he wanted to be dropped off and to keep going all the way to the Outer Rim. He also proved to be eminently persuadable on this point, however.

That’s why it’s interesting to think what might have happened if Finn and Poe had not been separated and Poe had tried to talk him into staying with the Resistance, or at least being thoroughly debriefed before he moved on. Poe would not have pulled a Rose and forced Finn to stay, and like Han he’d have understood and sympathized with Finn’s desire to get away. But Poe is also a Resistance fighter, and a spy. Imagine him telling Finn that he can make a difference:

“Buddy, I feel you. Getting away from those guys was good for my health and longevity and I’m guessing it’ll be good for yours, too. You did me and the Resistance a solid, and I’ll fight anyone who blames you for wanting to go. But before that, could you hear me out? You’re smart guy, Finn, and you’re right: if it’s one person alone against the First Order it’s either run or die. But if you’re with other people there’s a third choice: Fight back, together. You don’t have to be alone anymore.”

I remember reading a meta that said Finn was running largely out of despair, because he thought there was no fighting back against the First Order. If Poe, someone who had been doing exactly that, had talked to him? Who knows.

concentrated-sunshine:

skywalkerstyle:

concentrated-sunshine:

sighinastorm:

heathcliffitsmecathy:

“Kylo is bad because he had to share his parents with the resistance.”

“Kylo is bad because he was brainwashed and forced to join an evil organization.”

“Kylo is bad because he was neglected and had a bad childhood.”

glowy brain: “Kylo isn’t bad”

quasar group brain: switching meme formats in the middle

Which meme image is: Kylo is bad because a creepy old dude had been psychicly grooming him since he was a kid and every adult in his life either abandoned him or actively turned on him for it?

his dad tried to get him to come home and he stabbed him you fucking moron asfgssggfdubvfy

Calm down son, its a joke not a dick, no need to jump on it so hard.

Nice of you to admit that blaming other character for Kylo’s shitty choices is a joke

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

Hello??

Plot twist: this is based off your reincarnation theory @lj-writes

After crashing on Naboo after escaping the First Order after another successful Stormtrooper liberation, Finn is nursed back to health by Padme’s still living family. They can’t help but think that something, just something, reminds them of the aunt they use to know. They shake the feeling though.

Finn tells them about the freedom he’s fighting for the Stormtroopers, his friends in the Resistance, and the Jedi he fell in love with that came from a desert planet. The family swears his story sounds familiar, yet also different…

Finally after a few weeks of healing, a New Republic ship shows up for Finn. A short haired brunette girl with a long Jedi Padawan braid jumps out of the ship before it lands and runs up to Finn, crushing him in a bone crushing embrace. Crying, laughing, and light jests are heard from the shorter force user, but Finn just smiles like a damn fool in love.

As the two leave Naboo, the family that cared for Finn watched them go with a warm smile on their faces. Memories of a Jedi that walked on the sky and their warrior Queen who fought for freedom flooded back to them.

Padme and Anakin had found each other once more.

They also recognized that snappy sense of fashion!

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

flynikkufly:

lj-writes:

Star Wars can kiss my ass if it can make a big deal of droid liberation but ignores the kidnapped and enslaved Stormtroopers.

Which idk if it was canon before (it totally was,just not overtly) but it is now bc Finn was stolen from his family, indoctrinated (badly lol, quit first chance he got and joined the good guys), and handed a gun.

It shifted from era to era, as I understand it. The first Stormtroopers were the Republic’s Clonetroopers, who were grown to be soldiers and were effectively slaves themselves. The clones evidently were phased out sometime during the Empire and replaced by conscripts/volunteers, as seen in Agent Terex’s past as a Stormtrooper from the Poe Dameron comics. The First Order started the practice of kidnapping children and training them to be soldiers, a program pioneered by Brendol Hux and continued by his son, and Finn is the most visible face of that.

Honestly you’re right. The Troopers have always been the slaves/tools of Star Wars

Clone Troopers were soldiers cloned from Jango Fett and bred to fight in the Clone Wars for the Republic. There was no choice in the matter at all. Worst of all, when your only choices were obeying an order that was brainwashed into you or dying, is that even a choice?

Stormtroopers of the Empire were people who were either a part of the Army of the Republic before hand or joint after the government was reformed into the empire. The country you serve suddenly becoming a fascist organization really doesn’t leave you many options for a life.

Stormtroopers of the First Order are either children stolen away from other worlds or children recruited at a young age from poor and horrible living worlds/families. That really doesn’t make you any options either and essentially combines the worst of both worlds of the empire and republic.

I’m not saying all the troopers were innocent either, but there were more Captain Rexs and Finns than there were Phasmas and Cardinals.

I need, NEED a Stormtrooper uprising in an inverse of Order 66, something @jewishcomeradebot also talked about. Instead of slave soldiers falling deeper into slavery by being forced to murder their trusted commanders, an uprising would see slave soldiers breaking their bonds by killing their oppressors. It would be one of the ways IX could bring the triad of trilogies full circle.

@jewishcomeradebot @lj-writes

THAT WOULD BE SO DOPE!

Imagine Finn giving the order for a heroic version of Order 66?! Like “Order 2187” and all the Stormtroopers turn on the First Order higher ups!

Yes! It makes sense for it to all happen at the same time like Order 66 did so that they cut off the chain of command without giving any time for information to spread and the FO to be on their guard. Phasma should have gone out this way tbh

And then they streak their helmets red to show their changed allegiance and start the real work.

I’m tired

If you went by the charges commonly flung at Finn you would absolutely think he’s a monster and the villain of this franchise. He’s been called traitorous, murderous, aggressive, obsessive, abusive, stalkerish. And now I’m dealing with TLJ stans saying Rose was right and he was hateful and violent for wanting to die for his friends. He was going to make the ultimate sacrifice, the same act Holdo is relentlessly lionized for, and I’m told the rules are different for him for Reasons and it’s a sign he’d given in to the Dark Side–and what’s more, he couldn’t turn away from it of his own accord like Luke did, he had to have Rose acting as his external conscience and physically beat some sense into him. Again. The way fans all but salivate at the thought of controlling and disciplining Finn with pain and physical force makes me want to throw up.

When he’s not demonized he’s dismissed as this pure cinnamon roll who is just too Kind and Good to do what needs to be done in war like, idk, murder and torture prisoners. Make no mistake, all the rampant war crimes apologism in this fandom is not only about rehabilitating Kylo Ren but also diluting Finn’s character. If the shooting of unarmed prisoners is a valid act of war, if torture is not a heinous crime but just something that happens between enemies in wartime, then Finn is no longer a conscientious and courageous soldier. He becomes simply a softie who is too good for this world, a weak-hearted deserter who didn’t have what it takes for the hard reality of war. Propping up Kylo Ren with these false premises always comes at the expense of Finn’s character. Always.

When he’s not being demonized or dismissed Finn is just… absent. In a lot of articles and fandom discussions you would not know that he is a major character, far less that he was the protagonist in TFA. When he comes up at all he is talked about like he’s just there, and not someone who is deserving of story weight and fan speculation like Kylo Ren and Rey are.

Spending time in fandom outside of a very narrow circle of Finn stans leaves me questioning my sanity and perception. Was he really a minor character like Qui-Gon Jinn or Mace Windu, both of which he has been compared to in terms of importance? Did I imagine his importance to his story, how revolutionary the character is in so many ways, what he means to me and so many others? Was I wrong in thinking the narrative would have been better if he had been given the dignity of making his own choices without having physical force used on him?

Responses to the character of Finn have revealed some truly frightening undercurrents in this fandom, so much mean-spiritedness and absolute refusal to give him any benefit of the doubt, to acknowledge his complexity, importance, or indeed his existence. I never dreamed I would ever be in a fandom where a character that commits mass murder and torture is treated like a hero and a conscientious ex-slave soldier like a villain or a bit character, yet here we are. The Star Wars fandom is like some kind of Bizarro World and it tires me out.

jewishcomeradebot:

“Hope is not lost today, it is found.”

This is a line Maz says in one of the TFA trailers and it has got me thinking.

Obviously there was lines recorded for the trailers that was not in the movies and never was intended to be there, but this line is odd. We have nothing in that trailer, any trailer, that indicates that hope should in any way be lost.

But one thing that has bothered me about TFA is that we’re never allowed to see Leia have much in the way of a reaction to Han being murdered and none at all to the fact her son has just embraced the Dark Side with a certain finality. While JJ is far from perfect as a storyteller it felt incredibly sloppy given that Han’s murder and Kylo’s confirmation of his turn was a pretty major plot point.

So why nothing?

Maybe because Rian claimed he was going to deal with it and JJ cut it out. (He didn’t at all for Han’s death and only in a minor way about Leia accepting Kylo’s turn, but that’s neither here nor there for this.)

But what if Leia did have such a scene? What if she had a conversation with someone about what had happened and that her hope now seemed in vain with Han dead – and only because she asked him to bring Ben back home – and her son firmly ensconced in the Dark Side? 

What if that person was Maz?

We know that Leia and Maz had at least one scene together as we see it in the trailer, where Maz hands over Anakin’s old lightsaber to Leia, but it never appeared in the movie.

In such a scene, with that context, Maz’s line suddenly makes a shit ton of sense if she tells it to Leia. That hope has not been lost just because Leia’s son has decided he wants power more than he wants love. No, it is found. 

In our heroes. 

In the young man who defied all odds to escape the First Order and then defied them again to save the young woman he had come to care for. In that same young woman who found the courage to take a stand because she’d finally found someone who cared for her after a life time worth of loneliness.

It would cement that Leia’s hope no longer lies with her biological son, but with Finn and Rey. That the two of them, along with Poe, is where she will put her hope.

That makes sense to me, since I think the only thing that’s really dire enough in TFA for anyone to consider hope to be lost is Kylo Ren killing Han Solo. This would simply have been confirmation for what’s been going on the whole movie, with Han’s death striking the final blow: the descendant of the Skywalkers has turned against everything Luke, Leia, and Han stood for, while these two kids who came from nowhere are continuing their legacy. JJ did say it’s very intentional that neither Finn nor Rey has a last name, maybe this was what he meant.

Remember that time Ren called Finn a traitor? And how fandom gleefully echoes it?

I want Finn to throw that back in his face the next time they meet in battle. Only it wouldn’t be screamed like a tantrum in the midst of his own self-doubt and projection, but calm and matter-of-fact with the weight of truth and conviction.

“Let’s go… traitor.”

Supreme Leader Kylo Ren, Master of the Knights of Ren, a base traitor to his family name, to the New Republic, to the Jedi, to Han, to Leia, to Luke, to Lando, to Poe, even to Rey, to everyone who ever loved him and believed in him and gave him second and third chances long after he had ceased to deserve them. He had the gall to try and stick Finn with that epithet. Well, let Finn pay it back with interest.

Let Kylo Ren be brought down for his treachery and go down for all time in infamy. Let Finn be the one to label him correctly and remove his threat to the galaxy.

flynikkufly:

lj-writes:

Star Wars can kiss my ass if it can make a big deal of droid liberation but ignores the kidnapped and enslaved Stormtroopers.

Which idk if it was canon before (it totally was,just not overtly) but it is now bc Finn was stolen from his family, indoctrinated (badly lol, quit first chance he got and joined the good guys), and handed a gun.

It shifted from era to era, as I understand it. The first Stormtroopers were the Republic’s Clonetroopers, who were grown to be soldiers and were effectively slaves themselves. The clones evidently were phased out sometime during the Empire and replaced by conscripts/volunteers, as seen in Agent Terex’s past as a Stormtrooper from the Poe Dameron comics. The First Order started the practice of kidnapping children and training them to be soldiers, a program pioneered by Brendol Hux and continued by his son, and Finn is the most visible face of that.