kyberfox:

raccourse:

kyberfox:

raccourse:

kyberfox:

lj-writes:

stormscavenger:

First off, Holdo wasn’t telling anyone her plan. So I don’t think even Rose would know why she needed to save the escape pods in the first place. If Rose knew, then there’d be no need for the pointless mission they went on. 

Second, we know that she knows that this guy is Finn because she nutted over him creepily for two minutes. She knows what he’s been through and what he’s done for the Resistance, and THAT’S how she reacts to him leaving?

Is there a reason she couldn’t explain to him why taking the escape pod would be a bad idea? No, she resorts to tasing him unconscious and blasting him against the wall. 

Fun Fact #1: There will NEVER be a good reason to call Finn a selfish traitor in canon EVER, so jot that down.

Fun Fact #2: that will ALWAYS bother me regardless of whatever bullshit excuse anyone gives, so please don’t try to justify it.

Another disturbing thought: The only valid reason in that situation for Rose to violently incapacitate Finn would have been if he was a physical threat, since if he backed peacefully away from the pods and his attempted departure became a disciplinary issue (it would not have been, since he was not Resistance), it wasn’t like he could escape justice on a spaceship.

But Finn did not show the slightest inclination of being violent. ROSE was the one who was waving a weapon in his face. Rose, in other words, did not have the slightest pretext of justification OTHER THAN TRYING TO CLAIM FINN WAS A THREAT TO HER.

This is what makes the scene all the more upsetting, because, on a narrative level, Rose’s getting away with assaulting Finn depends on attributing to a Black man an aggressive intent he did not have. It’s racist bullshit that posits a Black person as the aggressor in every encounter.

@stormscavenger For your anon.

Holdo isn’t even using the escape pods for the evacuation, she’s using unarmed and unshielded transport ships. Not the escape pods.

So your argument doesn’t even have the modicum of a fig leaf you pretend it does. 

Just admit you want to justify that an unarmed, unthreatening Black man got violently assaulted. Rose had no justification for what she did, there is nothing that excuses or explains her actions except Rian’s racism which he put into his script.

how do you guys still have arms after reaching this hard

@raccourse

Answer me this then:

Where is it shown that Finn is armed in the scene?

How is Finn threatening Rose?

Because there is no justification for violently assaulting a non-threatening and unarmed Black man, just because you don’t like what he’s doing. No that goes for “security” staff and law keepers too, which Rose isn’t even, but lets go with that.

Finn is even beginning to explain to her, but Rose decides to assault him instead of hearing what he has to say. Sorry, that’s unjustified violence no matter what position Rose holds in that scene.

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rose doesn’t stun finn because she finds him inherently threatening, dangerous, or defines him with any other stereotype/racist sense of intimidation

this isn’t a case of security needlessly attacking black men, if you’d watched the scene you’d understand the context

rose stuns finn to keep him from leaving, because she sees anyone making the attempt to (in her understanding) escape as a coward—especially after literally just losing her sister because she sacrificed herself for the resistance

she stunned him to keep him from leaving, despite finn’s intentions being pure, out of misunderstanding. literally how did you people come to the conclusion that this is a racist scene, when the dialogue surrounding it explains exactly why she did what she did, even explicitly mentioning that she’s stunned multiple people who’ve tried to use an escape pod as a set-up for her stunning finn

aside from that, though, rose is clearly being framed as in wrong in the scene. if any social commentary could be made about this, it would be the promotion of “female hysteria” in the face of logic and reason being espoused by men. even then, however, that is still very much a reaching conclusion.

this is the kind of analysis that dismisses legitimate criticism made by progressives the eyes of centrists. a community carelessly throwing out these kinds of criticisms on the weakest evidence imaginable is only setting us back. if we want progress to be made, we not only have to think critically about what IS promoting hate, but also what we label as hate. try to make this exact argument in any legitimate critical space and you’d be laughed out of the discussion because it’s absurd.

I watched the scene and there’s no reason for Rose to stun him. You obviously haven’t watched it or you would know that Finn has begun to explain. And yet she stuns him.

You clearly paid no attention to anything Finn as doing or saying. 

She has zero cause in the situation for stunning him and the fact that you keep justifying what she did tells me all I need to know about you. Because this scene has some clear really world parallels that you refuse to acknowledge.

And no, the movie at no point shows Rose for being in the wrong, instead it frames Finn’s assault as a joke, because assaulting Black men is funny. Instead it constantly validates her actions towards Finn.

And I repeat. Nothing ever justifies violence against a non-threatening and unarmed person. Ever.

But you clearly seem to agree that unjustified violence towards Black people are acceptable and funny. I’d ask you to address your Antiblackness, but I can see that there’s no getting through your racism. Bye.

The number of people crawling out of the woodwork screaming “He’s a coward/she lost her sister and that makes it okay!!!” may be the scariest legacy of TLJ. Just how long were these people waiting for an excuse to salivate over the sight of Finn being brutalized and humiliated, and to defend his assault to the bitter end? Is this the hill they want to die on, that it’s ok to assault someone if you’re sad and think they’re a coward?