Tag: finn

kayardia:

spoilers for tlj below

ok you know what? unpopular opinion. I LIKE that rey is a ‘nobody’

because guess what? she’s the fricking opposite to douchebag ‘let the past die’ kyle ron.

He is a fanatic about his bloodline; as is Snoke, who wanted to carve him into new Darth Vader, and he is obsessed with fulfilling his grandfather’s destiny. He was expected to be something great bc his parents are freaking Han Solo and Princess Leia, his uncle is the the legendary Luke Skywalker. What did he do? He threw it away. He had everything, two parents who were heroes, and he chose to follow his darker bloodline to fulfil his destiny, his ‘birthright’.

Rey has none of that shit. She, apparently, is special of her own right. Maybe her parents are somebodies. Maybe Kylo was lying. But what if he wasn’t? What if rey really is nobody?

And if she is… maybe we can accept that she is special on her own. She has something and it bloomed and awakened in her. Because when she was nobody and seemed to have nothing, she did have something.

Love. Kindness. Hope. The Force. It manifested in her – so what if her parents weren’t big heroes or deadly villains? These qualities developed in Rey on her own. By herself. Kyle Ron was ‘raised right’ and still he tossed it away. He’s consumed by his privilege and his anger.

Doesn’t it remind you of Finn? Finn was a freaking stormtrooper stolen as a baby. He had no CHANCE to be raised right – but he made the conscious choice to desert.

Do we know who Han Solo’s parents were? Do we care? HELL NO. Han Solo is cool OF HIS OWN RIGHT. So why can’t we accept rey and finn?

Star Wars and the Jedi and Sith have always been about inheritance, true. Rey and Finn are a breath of fresh air, something new. Maybe she’s that spark that is needed to finally set the universe back into balance. Maybe these heroes are the ones who come from nowhere, and get to somewhere. And that’s how these heroes are gonna smack the shit out of Kylo Ren.

We are not our parents. That is one message behind a lot of Star Wars philosophy. It made Luke who he is. It made Kylo Ren what he became. And it’s making Rey too. So what if she’s not got a big shot dad or mum? She’s got something. It’s herself, and the qualities that make her good. And I think that could more inspiring than fan theory of the month whos yo daddy.

I love the idea of Rey Random for all these reasons. What I don’t love is the completely unnecessary mystery set up around it. It would have been so much more powerful if we had known from the start that her parents were just these losers who had sold her. There’s drama and then there’s mystery, and confusing the two doesn’t make for a good story at all. See also this Film Crit Hulk article on the subject.

“And do you mean to tell me he TOLD all this to Rose and she still tased him?” — she tased him before he told her this, having assumed he was attempting to desert as she had already tased and reported three other people before him for trying to desert in the same escape pod (citing the recent death of her sister as why she was very upset)

So it sounds like she went from hero worship to TRAITOR!!! in like a hundredth of a second without considering that a) Finn isn’t even Resistance, and b) he might have valid tactical reasons for leaving.

I’m also really disturbed by the way Rose’s pain keeps being brought up in this situation when Finn was the one who was knocked unconscious. It’s interesting whose pain we’re supposed to empathize with.

And exactly how am I supposed to be excited at the prospect of a romance between them when Rose’s most memorable interactions with Finn seem to consist of violence, whether as a response to grief (the tasing) or love (crashing her vehicle into his)? I find that disturbing as hell, especially when a combination of sexism and racism means that violence against him is so easily brushed off and laughed at.

No offense, but you shouldn’t make so many assumptions about a movie you haven’t seen. Like I understand if you don’t wanna watch it, but you can’t really talk about how things are played/characters are treated without having seen it. Yes Rose tases Finn. Is it personal? No, she literally says she had to tase a few people trying to desert earlier. Is that shitty of the resistance? Yeah. Is it shitty that Finn got tased? Yeah. But that’s not on Roses character, that’s on the writing.

No offense, but the unfollow and block buttons are free if you don’t like how I talk about a fucking movie. And what’s up with the goalpost moving? It doesn’t matter if it’s personal or not, real people have this kind of violence enacted against them in real life and it’s seldom personal.

And I’m not even talking about the fact that Finn got hurt (again), it’s that the violence was so gross and unnecessary. He wasn’t even deserting–he wasn’t a member of the Resistance in the first place, and he actually had a good reason for leaving that would help the Resistance. The tasing was Rose jumping to conclusions.

News flash, Rose is characterized through the writing in the movie where she appears. The writing by all accounts did a shit job of giving her a coherent character, something I hope will be improved in IX but it won’t make TLJ go away.

Finn is not trying to flee. He’s picked up the beacon that Leia has shown him that is meant to guide Rey back to the Resistance once she has Luke but which she drops when she’s injured. He intends to take it far away from the Resistance’s ships. Why? Because the FO is right on their heels and Rey and Luke will run right into their arms if they return now. He doesn’t even intend to go to Rey, he tells Rose as much, he just didn’t want her to run right back into the arms of the FO

kyberfox:

lj-writes:

I.e. it was something someone who’s actually in the Resistance should have taken care of. And do you mean to tell me he TOLD all this to Rose and she still tased him? My God, what have they done to her character…

@lj-writes

Re: the beacon. 

Idk how many apart from Leia knows this, Finn only learns because he directly asks Leia how Rey is going to find them again and she shows him his homing beacon she is wearing on her wrist. After Leia is injured it falls off her hand when she’s rolled away on a space stretcher and Finn picks it up.

Up till this moment Finn may seem a little bit in over his head, but he doesn’t show any indication of wanting to leave really. 

Oh and this is right after they’ve all found out, that the FO can track them through hyperspace. So even if they jump again the FO will just follow them again, so Rey will walk right into the First Order’s arms.

So Finn packs a bag and intends to leave with the beacon and go far away so Rey will be safe.

The conversation where Finn explains this happens after he wakes up from being stunned and angrily explains to Rose why he was leaving (the beacon and and that they’re being tracked). Which is when he and Rose together figures out how the FO might be doing it and that maybe they can stop them.

It all pisses me off so much because it was so unnecessary to have the stunning scene. Rose could just have confronted Finn with why he was leaving and Finn explained it then and there. no need for her being violent towards him.

But hey, Rayn can’t write worth shit.

Finn is not trying to flee. He’s picked up the beacon that Leia has shown him that is meant to guide Rey back to the Resistance once she has Luke but which she drops when she’s injured. He intends to take it far away from the Resistance’s ships. Why? Because the FO is right on their heels and Rey and Luke will run right into their arms if they return now. He doesn’t even intend to go to Rey, he tells Rose as much, he just didn’t want her to run right back into the arms of the FO

I.e. it was something someone who’s actually in the Resistance should have taken care of. And do you mean to tell me he TOLD all this to Rose and she still tased him? My God, what have they done to her character…

she shoots him because it’s her job to taze deserters and transport them to the brig…

In what sense is Finn a deserter? He wasn’t even Resistance, he was just receiving medical care from them because he almost died for them despite not being Resistance. Rose would have known this if she was his fan, yet her first instinct is to treat him like a deserter?

Besides, Finn wasn’t even leaving to save himself, he was leaving to stop Rey and/or Luke from walking into a First Order attack. It was something one of the Resistance brass should have thought of, and he was cleaning up their mess because evidently the good guys misplaced their brains for 90% of this movie’s runtime.

rose also definitely does respect finn? she literally says so, for one thing, but for another, immediately as he’s waking up from being stunned, they speak in unison as they come up with/realize a plan that will save the resistance. they’re equally smart, very similar minds to each other, and the only thing she “teaches” him is from her life experience, which is different from his. she exposes the seedy underbelly of the wealth of canto bight because the war profiteers there destroyed her home.

(Continued) it just seems like the spoilers you’ve read are… really not
accurate about rose or poe or rey or leia and maybe you should actually
judge for yourself. it definitely isn’t finn’s film the way tfa was, but
it was never meant to be. tfa was finn’s film. tlj is rey’s. ix was
going to be leia and poe’s, but who knows now. hopefully it will just be
a trio movie.

First of all, what kind of logic is that, that I need to see a movie because I’m hearing bad things about it? Is that the way you approach media consumption, seek out the works with the worst reviews? I take the opposite approach, personally, but that’s just me.

Second, the words I used were that fans have complained that Rose’s relationship with Finn is unequal, not that I definitely know this is so. As you point out, I haven’t seen the movie. Whether you agree with these viewers’ assessment or not, there exist viewers who think this way and they may well have basis for thinking so.

Third, if I am to trust anyone’s views on the movie to align with my own it’s going to be people that I have a lot in common with and agree with on a lot of things, not some condescending rando on anon who thinks their take is the only valid one. And if you want me to judge for myself then why are you feeding me your own conclusion, you two-faced ass?

And no, TLJ not being Finn’s film (from what I hear it’s not even Rey’s film–it’s Kylo’s) is not the same thing as giving him a pointless B-plot that could have been cut from the movie in its entirety without affecting anything. This was my husband’s opinion after seeing the movie, so why don’t you tell me he’s also untrustworthy and biased. Asshole.