I hate listened to a reylow podcast that youtube recommended me and I just listened to a couple of reylows going on about how Finn isn’t Rey’s equal. They insist that because Finn is standing of the lower step during his confession scene and looking up at Rey that is JJ showing us that Finn isn’t her equal. And they insist that Kylo is bowing to Rey in knightly worship in the “interrogation” scene. Other gems include that Finn needs her to “babysit” him. But you know they /swear/ they love Finn

It’s funny they should mention that scene, because I’d been thinking for a while how strongly Finn and Rey’s parting scene on Takodana reminded me of the parting between Rodrigo and Jimena from El Cid (1961).

I mean here’s the woman, climbing up on a higher step and turning to face the man for a Very Important Conversation just before he leaves we know you watched the scene over and over and were just itching to try it Rey you extra bitch

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The woman tells the man how unhappy she is with his decision to go.

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The man, in words or gesture, confesses his feelings for the woman. This part comes near the end of the conversation in El Cid but at the middle in the TFA scene, since Finn unlike Rodrigo must tell the truth of himself first.

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The man makes a heartfelt request to the woman, and that’s exactly what it is–a request, respecfully presented without any pressure as opposed to “I can take whatever I want” or “I’ll destroy her”. As seen below, the woman refuses his request freely and without repercussions.

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In each case the woman refuses, asserting her own needs and feelings, while also reiterating her unhappiness with the man’s leaving. This is greeted without any rancor or even a repeat request on the man’s part.

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The man says good-bye with complicated feelings. He knows he’s leaving the woman unhappy and she doesn’t want him to go, but he does what he has to do. And she lets him, without threats or coercion, because when you love and respect someone you also respect their decisions.

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That doesn’t mean she’s not sad as hell, of course. She climbs down from the steps she was standing on, the better to watch him go.

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And she watches and watches, so sadly…

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While the man in turn can barely bring himself to go, and looks back at her before he leaves for good.

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Finn standing on a lower step than Rey is in fact a very recognizable romantic/knightly trope with the knight gazing up at his lady in adoration. It’s pretty much a mirrored version of the El Cid scene, as seen above. THAT is what knightly worship looks like.

Also, Kylo “bowing” to Rey? Nah, we’ve seen this before, a man invading a woman’s personal space after tying her up, only for her to ridicule and rebuff him (putting under a cut for potentially triggering content and also Hunchback of Notre Dame gifs):

Here’s the man, leaning into the personal space of a woman he has abducted and physically restrained. See how the woman leans away, the fear and revulsion clear in her face:

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And then she humiliates him, revealing him as the pathetic bully he is with such force/Force that he is physically repelled. I was always very impressed at Esmeralda’s projectile spitting ability.

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As usual Reylows get it all wrong and don’t know their cinematic history lmao.

disturbanceinthefrost:

Where are these antis who go “ewww sex” and deny that Rey could have sexual desires??  Like seriously where? I don’t think I’ve ever seen an anti talk like that about Rey.  We don’t think she’s sexually attracted to Kylo but that doesn’t mean we think she’s incapable of being sexually attracted to anyone. 

Hell most of us who are FinnReys think that Rey totally wants to jump Finn right in this scene here:

And since when

is Kylo

the only one

she’s initiated 

physical contact with?

In their minds Rey having desires or initiating physical contact doesn’t count unless it’s with Kylo.

themandalorianwolf:

When two people are in love with each other

They will desire each other

Laugh with each other

Fear for the other’s safety

Be there for the other

Fight for the other

Cry for the other

Worry for the other

Long for the other

Pine for the other

But most importantly, when two people are in love with each other, it’s impossible not to see it and the pair will make it as obvious as the sky above.

You really had to make me cry huh

My mom had this theory that I’m not really happy about but cold sort of see happening and I wondered your feelings in it. She grew up with SW, she was 3 when ANH came out and she loved the prequels. She said that for this trilogy the subversion of expectations Rian Johnson talked about is already playing out in TFA and will in IX. She says she think Poe is the new Han, but quietly force sensitive like Leia was. Rey is the new Leia but a Jedi warrior like Luke was. Finn is the New Luke but

not force sensitive. But this time the Han and Leia par 2 don’t get together, the Luke and Leia part 2 get together keeping the one SW romance thing constant, a force sensitive in love with a non force sensitive. I have to admit I could see things going that way but I don’t really like the idea of Finn with no powers especially since Poe didn’t seem to have them and now he does, just like Holdo. Wondering what you think?


I believe an emerging theme in the sequels is that the Force is in everyone and belongs to everyone, not just a powerful few. Leia’s confirmation in the Poe Dameron comic that Poe has a form of Force sesitivity but that the Force is also in everyone, the reveal of Rey’s parentage in TLJ and Broom Boy, all seem to be saying that the Force is not some exclusive thing, certainly not exclusive to a bloodline.

I mean, I do have issues with the retcon that the Skywalkers were ever thought of as this super-powerful elite bloodline, that’s a fandom concept and not canon. But I do see the intent, even if I disagree with the execution.

So if the franchise is going to be consistent with the direction they’re setting up, hopefully the whole dichotomy between Force users/non-Force users will become moot. The OT frame, then, would not apply to the ST. I am pleased that your mother thinks Finnrey is happening, though. Fingers crossed!

themandalorianwolf:

It’s okay to still believe in Force User Finn and Rey Skywalker

People never had a problem with Leia being a Skywalker because she wasn’t the lead, she didn’t recognize her as one, and she never held a lightsaber in the movies. That’s not case with Rey.

People never had a problem when Mace Windu being a black Jedi because he was a supporting character, he was in the background, and he wasn’t one of the new faces of Star Wars.

Finn being a force user wasn’t some affirmative action, social justice warrior, escapist crack Theory. It was literally just watching Finn go through the traditional hero’s journey, only with a modern theme and TFA doesn’t imply it, doesn’t hint at it, but it freaking screams in your ear while dangling Finn holding a lightsaber that this dude is a force user. Being a force user doesn’t erase his 20 years of enslavement as a forced Stormtrooper or his deflection. The Force doesn’t have a color or gender it belongs to everyone, no matter what Karen or Brett say. The Force has been used by Lazy muppet people and literal fascist murders, nothing is exclusive about the force. It wouldn’t ruin Finn’s character at all and the arguments against it are bias.

Rey being a Skywalker wasn’t about some blood purity, keeping it all traditional, Mary Sue self insert bs. It’s literally just drawing the logical conclusion as to why this random woman keeps getting shoved into the middle of this one family and keeps being involved with mysteriously vague scenes that connect her mysterious part further to this family‘s past. The Skywalkers are literally born from slaves and farmers, and this powerful legacy stuff is made up bulk shit. The Skywalkers are literally only know for being a slaves, farmers, hermits, and a fascist. Rey being a Skywalker isn’t a gift or a curse, it’s just giving her a family that loves her but she was taken away from.

And nobody is saying these things have to happen, but the general argument everyone uses is just that they don’t like it, so not only shouldn’t it not happen, but it shouldn’t be brought up, regardless of heavy foreshadowing.

ReySky and ForceFinn isn’t a fetish kink like Reylow, it’s not a Doomrey stupid ass theory cause of a greeting, and it’s not those Snoke is Mace Windu dank theories that have no validation.

Both beliefs of ForceFinn and ReySky were grounded in a positive mind set and were equally progressive. Did some bad apples take it too far? Yes, but every part of the SW fandom has a bad apple.

Some people would just like to think TFA wasn’t a giant red hearing that meant nothing at all but to be Johnson’s subversion target. We already had character arcs repeated and now people want to make the movie completely pointless to pay attention to? If I wanted to watch confusing garbage, I’d watch Looper or Age of Ultron.

Why have so many scenes that mean nothing to the film or the future of the movies? With how much was really riding on TFA, am I really supposed to believe JJ just chose his two leads to entire character arcs didn’t mention?

Why is Maz asking about Rey, when Finn is the ex Stormtrooper acting suspicious? It’s scenes like this that ignore Finn to focus on Rey’s no last name given mysterious past that make me question why even bother with so much secrecy?

Why do Snoke and Kylo feel an Awakening in the force if only Fin has been the one showing all the signs, and Rey is just living her normal life? It’s scenes like this that focus on Finn’s connection to the force over Rey’s that make me question why even put all that in there in there?

I’m tired of people ignoring Finn and making him out to be nothing, even though TFA screams that he is something. It’s just about letting him have an ability he was hinted to have since TFA.

I’m tired of peoole saying Rey being related to Luke is some terrible thing. It’s just about giving Rey a family she was hinted to have since TFA.

If people can’t understand how Finn not being Force sensitive undercuts them, if people don’t understand how Rey not being a Skywalker undercuts, then that’s their problem.

Do they have to be those things? No. But many people would like to know that TFA wasn’t a complete lack of time.

These situations remind of the current Finnrey situation.

It’s like if something looks different to how people want it, Black Protagonist Jedi, Woman protagonist Skywalker, interracial relationship between the leads, the public and media will do whatever it takes to erase it and underplay it, but also make everyone turn against because of bad examples that don’t represent something that could have, and very well might still be, something incredibly progressive and positive.

tinsibag:

antis-delete-your-blogs-pls:

lethal-cuddles:

tinsibag:

What gets me about Reylo is that it’s basically a self-insert ship. Reylos are attracted, en masse, to white boy Kylo Ren and wanna hop on his dick, which makes Rey – the attractive female lead – the catalyst of their thirst. That has to be the explanation for this shit:

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What about the expression on Rey’s face indicates that she finds her captor at all attractive? Without context: she looks like she’s trying to get away from a nasty, stank-breath dude with no understanding of personal space. With context: he is torturing her for information. She is CRYING. 

Reylos DO NOT care about Rey, they only care about Kylo Ren and his dead “Ben Solo” identity – which is another attempt at making him out to be attractive (in this case: redeemable, kind at heart, selfless) when canon evidence presents otherwise. 

Additionally, while it’s obvious how a relationship with Rey would benefit Kylo (she would “make him a better man”), what could “Ben” give her that someone else couldn’t? Admiration and unconditional love? (If someone who murdered their own father in cold blood is even capable of such a thing). There’s Finn, standing right there, clinging to her like she’s his lifeline:

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Without context, it can be understood that they care for each other deeply. With context, we see Rey embracing a boy, now a man, whom she adores and who, in turn, adores her. A relationship between Finn and Rey would be one of mutual respect; we’ve already seen how they build each other up and support one another. What’s important here is that neither Rey nor Finn would have to change

What I’m saying is: Finnrey is an actual relationship. Reylo is wish-fulfillment. 

“Reylos don’t care about Rey”

Bullshit.

You’re full of shit OP. You are absolutely full of shit.

Let’s also not forget to mention Rey spends the first half of TFA desperately trying to set up personal space boundaries with Finn. Anything can be interpreted any way.

Is this the same first half where Kylo tortures Rey, or did you just ignore that part? See, you Reylos don’t even understand her character at all! Rey grew up without any friends whatsoever and Finn, whom she canonically “adores”, was the first person to try and connect with her in a meaningful way. Considering her childhood on Jakku, of COURSE she set up barriers at first. By the end of it, she was kissing Finn on the forehead and taking HIS hand. That’s literally what TFA is about: Rey learning to love and trust people. That is NOT up to “interpretation” – that is canon. 

It honestly terrifies me that reylows can look at rey looking scared, angry, discouraged, sad, even outright CRYING IN PAIN from Kylo’s treatment and still sexualize her reaction. Nothing says “I care about you” like “I find your misery and humiliation sexy.”

Also did that absolute weapon seriously compare Finn taking Rey’s hand in an emergency to Kylo abducting and torturing her wtf is wrong with these people

What would be a likely ending for IX? A funeral? A wedding? A party on Lando’s ship? An award ceremony on Yavin IV/Batuu? A humble toast to fallen friends? R2-D2 & C-3PO telling the Star Wars saga to a group of aliens (Maybe humans on Earth)?

vaderey:

lj-writes:

I want a Finnrey wedding but that’s just me 😂 A celebration party would be nice!

I’d love to see Finn and Rey just ride off into the sunset (stars) in the end

On the Millennium Falcon, for extra Reylow salt.