Dude….threatening someone with violence is not okay. This is not romantic…stop. She’s literally cringing in pain.
“Aw he’s carrying her!”
Bruh….do you know what a rufee is? The date rape drug? He forcibly held her in place, forced his way into her mind, knocked her unconscious, kidnapped her, then brought her onto the ship of the mass murdering organization he works for.
“Kylo Ren was so gentle and caring to Rey! The interrogation scene is filled with sexual tension!”
Rey is literally crying as Kylo Ren invades her mind without her permission. He is openly mocking her loneliness and her desire for a father. This is as degrading as you can get. It’s Mind rape
“You shouldn’t be throwing accusations of rape around!!!!!! He was being gentle!”
Director and writer of TFA, JJ Abrams, creator of Kylo Ren and Daisy Ridley, explains to actors Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley explaining that the interrogation scene is a violent mind rape and an invasion of Rey’s mind that fills her with shame.
“Rey can forgive Kylo Ren for that! He was only following Snoke’s orders!”
Here is Rey crying and screaming as Kylo Ren murders his father, Han Solo, in cold blood in front of her. Han Solo was unarmed and begging for his son to come home.
“Kylo Ren has never physically hurt Rey! Even when could! He was so gentle to her!
Kylo Ren just force pushed her into a tree hard enough to literally cause her to be unconscious the fall several feet below into the cold snow. The effects of that physical assault can leave Rey with a concussion, broken bones, fractured spine, and depending how long she is unconscious in the snow, brain damage and hypothermia.
After being kidnapped by Kylo Ren, Rey cries on top of Finn’s dying body. The only person in Rey’s life who had ever gone back for her. Finn had his back sliced open by Kylo Ren after Finn went to defend Rey after Kylo assaulted her and killed Han Solo. Rey is now trapped on a soon to be exploding planet with her only friend dying beside her. All because Kylo Ren kidnapped her. She doesn’t try to run. Rey just lays her head on Finn’s body and accepts that this is the end.
“But TLJ made Reylo Canon!!!!!”
After getting manipulated by Snoke and lied to by Kylo Ren, Rey still offers him a chance to come back to the light and in tears begs him not to kill her friends. Kylo Ren tells her she is nothing and that her parents were filthy junk rats who didn’t love her. He then asks her to help him kill all of her friends and his uncle.
“He was just desperate for Rey to join him! Kylo Ren would never hurt her…again!!!”
After LEADING an attack to kill Rey, her friends, his own mother, and uncle, Kylo Ren tells his uncle that he is going to kill Rey and everyone in the Resistance.
In conclusion:
I can’t stop anyone from shipping someone with someone, but there is a giant difference between a crack ship and the madness that I’ve been forced to hear from Reylos. I might hate Rian Johnson, but if he made one thing clear, Reylo is even more fucked uo that I thought. You can’t just deny that both characters equally want the other dead and that Kylo Ren is arguably done the worst things to Rey in her lifetime.
It’s one thing if you’re writing a Smuggler Ben Solo where Rey and Kylo Ren aren’t related, but in canon the only thing he’s done to Rey is disrespect, hurt, torture, threaten, and be a horrible person to her.
And I’m a fan off Kylo Ren and I can admit that. Kylo Ren is not even in the slightest a good person and at this point, deserves to die. That doesn’t mean I hate the character or give actor.
Adam Driver is cool and Kylo/Ben is interesting, but Kylo Ren is just horrible. I don’t even think any of you really even care about Rey or the overall story. I think it’s more of your fantasy and wish Fulfillment for Adam Driver.
Would you actually want to date someone who kidnaps you, kills his father, worships a monster, murders people in cold blood then tortured you mentally and assaults you physically?
If so, please block me.
I think Cersei is a great evil character who has a morally complex story and I think she’s hot, that doesn’t mean I’m going to make excuses for her.
I’m pretty sure if Snoke looked like Adam Driver and Kylo looked like Snoke, Reylo never would if even been a thought.
Shipping Reylo isn’t even the problem, it’s the excuses, crimes ignored, and annoying logic that goes into the ship that gives me a headache. Even sites like TV TROPES or Youtubers just ignore the sheer logic and make up their own reality.
And trust me all ships have their own issues, but c’mon! Look at all that! Those excuses I’ve put are actual things people have said to me.
And once again I don’t hate Kylo or Rey or even Reylo shippers. I’m just asking to STOP making excuses to romantize these horrible acts of violence.
Kylo Ren is not some adorable puppy. Kylo Ren is a 30 year old man and while he has his sympathetic moments, he has done horrible things.
Rey is not anyone, not Kylo, Ben, Finn, or anyone’s reason to be redeemed. She’s her own person who deserves her own story and character arc.
“But Finn and Rey!”
Finn and Rey do have many scenes together and yes care for each other deeply, but Rey’s arc is finding her purpose and Finn’s is finding his place. Their story arcs run close but they exist on their own as well. If anything, that’s my biggest complaint about TLJ. Kylo has no growth and leaves the film just as he came. The same as Rey. That is the only thing with two characters both have in common besides being both white, pale, and use the force.
Beyond that both characters have nothing in common and over reason to even be together. If anything it’s their hatred for the other that is more developed than anything.
The only reason why Rey thinks Kyle might be redeemable in TLJ is because of Finn. Think about it:
In the TFA, as soon as Finn and Rey became an alliance, he always put her needs first, which she has never experienced in her life before. When Finn explains himself to Rey, she understands his situation of being is a man who was orphaned, tortured and conditioned into being a foot soldier for the evil. But even despite this and his obvious fear of the First Order, he puts his neck on the line to save Rey and the Resistance time and time again from joining the resistance mission to fighting Kyle.
No wonder she thought Kyle could be redeemed because if Finn, who has without a doubt suffered more in his lifetime than Kyle has, can take a stand toward the light and be a goddamn hero then any decent person can.
Only problem is Kyle isn’t a decent person and certainly isn’t nearly as good as Finn is.
Hey op you realize Kylo and Finn two different characters right. Both went through abuse Kylo( Snoke) and Finn( Fo) both of their abuse were different. This literally like “ good survivor” vs “ bad survivor” Both have their own arcs and paths
Like abuse people pick up signs different. Not everyone is lucky to noticed let alone get out when they have chance. Finn saw a chance and got out however it’s not quite same for Kylo.
You don’t need pit these two characters against each other. You don’t need to lift Finn up while pushing Kylo down.
Dislike Kylo fine but it’s really not needed to say why you like Finn.
People who compare abuse survivors and say UWU one should do better because another succeeded are the scummiest assholes who have no comprehension of how hard it is to recover.
This literally sounds so god damn ableist. What the fuck, OP
Ok, I’m coming out of my semi-hiatus to address something just real quick.
I’m a Kylo fan. It’s not a secret by far, but heres the thing that a lot of people who also claim to be Kylo fans don’t seem to understand.
Kylo Ren is the villain. He’s been presented to us in TFA as the villain. He’s still being presented as the villain in TLJ.
Why are y’all so determined to turn him into the hero of this story and demonize everyone else so he can look like the innocent one in all of this?
Equating Finn and Poe as being murderers in the same vein as Kylo does a disservice to all of their characters.
Poe shooting and killing Slips is absolutely not the same thing as murdering a defenseless old man and then ordering the massacre of an entire village. Poe was helping to fend off attackers who had zero right to be there.
Finn defending himself and the other people on Takodana from yet another FO invasion doesn’t make him a heartless character. Those soldiers weren’t going to stop following their orders, and while yes they’re brainwashed and programed what was Finn gonna be able to do about that at that moment? Do you think he could have just stood there and said “Hey guys, they’re controlling you, the First Order is bad, you gotta stop doing this.” and all those troopers would have dropped their weapons and agreed with him?
No. They wouldn’t have. And they’d have shot him dead right then and there if he hadn’t defended himself.
So quite frankly, you guys can just fucking stop with your “The Resistance and Poe and Finn are just as bad as Kylo and the FO!!” bullshit, because you sound ridiculous.
Quit demonizing Poe and Finn. They didn’t do anything other than defend themselves and people who were innocent from a faction that was invading and killing people.
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