rewlows have been preaching that once redeemed kylo will rock a Han look and guess again bitch đ.. it is FINN the one who will inherit Hanâs looks
Reylo as… hanleia? Did they forget what Leia did to the guy who forcibly put her in restraints and hurt her loved ones?
If you needed more proof (you didnât) that I canât draw older white people, hereâs Chancellor Leia Organa and her husband Han Solo. I think Leia wouldâve gotten upfront right away about Vader being her birth father, so there wouldnât be any big strife in the middle of her political career. Plenty of people would be wary of her, but her big project as Senator of Alderaan was the founding of New Alderaan, a super-earth planet using the funds of the Alderaanian royal family to provide a refuge for all victims of the Empireâs attempted genocides (Alderaanians, Geonosians, people from Jedha City, which is where her red robe comes from, as a gift from the Brotherhood of Beatific Countenance). This massive success garnered near universal support, and she became well-loved for decades to come. At the time of your movie, though, the Mandalorian government is upset with the way things are run, and they have some ears in the Galactic Senate. Leiaâs necklace is based on a prop seen on a wall in Ben Kenobiâs hut in A New Hope. I think if she named her son after him there should be more of a tie present.
Han Solo is, like you said, on both sides of the law. A lot of Senators see Han as a trophy husband, as he hasnât had many ties to the military since the Battle of Endor. However, he keeps himself busy with both philanthropy and scoundrelry. While he definitely plays into a lot of criminal activity, he also acts like a bit of an enforcer (no drugs to kids, no slavery, etc.) Heâs got a new jacket, and it actually looks new. The trim is gundark wool (perhaps Maz is a gundarkherd on top of everything else.) I love the square stripes on his pants in the OT, so I had to have a form of that back.
L.J.: The idea of a New Alderaan for the victims of genocide is so beautiful I may cry. Also I will never stop cackling at Han as a trophy husband because THE ACCURACY.
Too traumatized for romance? In Star Wars, where the most iconic romance is between a genocide and torture survivor who lost her family and planet, and an orphan who turned to crime from a young age and also suffered capture and torture during the war? No one can tell me Leia was not borderline suicidal, running on rage and revenge, when she led the Death Star to the Rebellion base in an all-or-nothing confrontation. Nor can we ignore the way Han had Leia on informal suicide watch during the evacuation from Hoth and told her as much. Han being tortured and then sold to a crime lord was the catalyst that finally brought them together, and they bonded as a couple during his rescue and recovery. Life eventually became too much for their relationship to bear, but together or not they loved each other until the very end.
Nah, trauma doesnât disqualify anyone from romance and that goes double for Star Wars. Rey and Finn if anything are healing for each other, and arguably are the only two people that understand each other and love each other unconditionally enough to achieve the complete intimacy of a committed relationship. Frankly any romances they get into with other characters would feel tacked on and wonât be interesting to me.
Or: How TLJ is RotS averted far more than RotJ subverted
At
the end of The Force Awakens we watched Finn and Rey both stand up to Kylo Ren for each other, effectively saving each other and
themselves from the Master of the Knights of Ren. When Rey was knocked
out Finn took up the lightsaber; when Finn was injured, Rey woke up to
his screams and snatched the lightsaber from Ren to defend Finn and
herself.
This dynamic takes place again in the climax of The
Last Jedi, except Finn and Rey were not in the same scene like they were
during the dueling sequence in TFA. in TLJ, though kept apart until
their heartwarming reunion hug, they saved each other through the
choices they made and what each meant to the other.
The A-plot of
TLJ has been called a subversion of Return of the Jedi, for good reason.
Rey attempts to bring Kylo Ren back to the light in scenes that are
some very direct callbacks to Luke and Vader in RotJ, except
Kylo Ren, unlike Vader, refuses Reyâs plea and rises to the position of Big Bad
instead.
TLJ is only primarily a subversion of RotJ if you focus
on Rey and Ren, however. If you broaden the focus to Rey, Finn, and Ren
and the dynamics between them, it is the tragic ending of Revenge of the
Sith averted.
Kylo as a parallel for Palpatine with Rey as Anakin makes so much more sense than Kylo as the new Anakin and Rey the new Padme. SO much more sense. If we learned one thing from Snokeâs surprisingly weak role in TLJ, itâs that Kylo was the manipulator, the one pulling the strings. It took nothing for him to kill Snoke and become Supreme Leader.
Vader never came close to being Emperor or anything of the sort. He died taking down the Emperor, even with his incredible power. If Snoke thought Kylo could be his Vader-esque attack dog, he miscalculated. Snoke was less powerful and possibly less evil than Kylo. Lukeâs terror looking into Benâs mind supports it.
Kylo miscalculated too, though â heâs not as sharp as Palpatine. He thought Reyâs weakness was her parentage and desire to have an âimportantâ place in the story, some narcissistic projecting by Kylo. Her weakness was Finn. If he had told her that joining him would save Finn, things may have played out differently. Instead, Kylo acted as another challenge in her journey back to Finn. She was unsuccessful in âturningâ him, but he was unsuccessful in diverting her journey the way Palpatine did with Anakin.
Wow. I never thought of that before, but I think youâre right @diversehighfantasy. I wonder if Kylo is just not bright or, ugh, as much as I HATE to think it, is attracted to Rey in some manner that the idea of doing that was repugnant to him. Itâs not as if he doesnât know Rey is still attached to Finn. It says right in the novelization that he knows sheâs thinking about him. Palps hit Anakinâs weak spot in Padme. Kylo should have realized Reyâs weak spot was Finn. The idea that he didnât take it suggests to me that heâs either dumber than a box of dog hair, or that there was some thought of making this some sort of stupid love triangle.Â
@diversehighfantasy Looking at the plot objectively, it really was Kylo manipulating everything to his advantage. By reeling Rey in as he did with a sob story and bringing her to Snokeâs flagship he:
– Established personal rapport with Rey and turned her against Luke
– Physically separated her from her allies in the Resistance, isolating her further
– Gained a distraction so he could kill Snoke
– Gained an ally in the fight against the Praetorian Guards, because the Knights of Ren were all on vacation or something
– Gained a patsy to blame Snokeâs death on
– Had the perfect opportunity to exploit Reyâs psychological weakness and bring her to his side, except he chose the wrong hook like the elitist narcissist he is
– Rose to the position of Supreme Ruler
An alternative theory: Space Hugh Hefner doesnât look that hot himself, he seems ill and in pain. Itâs possible that he did not have that long to live, so maybe this was his twisted idea of a succession. Was KR scheming and ruthless enough to kill and succeed him? Or would Hux take that position instead? This is the kind of thing Hitler actually did, pitting his senior staff against each other, minus the death wish part (that came later).
Holy shit, was this what Snoke meant at the end of TFA by completing Kyloâs training? If not what JJ intended, then at least what RJ made of it? Kylo had passed the test of killing what he loved; was it time for his final test, to learn to scheme and manipulate and take power? And did Kylo actually realizethis on some level when he didnât fire on LeiaâI mean he didnât give a shit anyway that she was spacedâthat his real obstacle wasnât to keep repeating the Han scenario, but to overcome Snoke himself?
Could this be the in-universe reason for the Knights of Ren being sent awayâso that Kylo would be deprived of his greatest tactical asset and would be forced to improvise?
Maybe Snoke wasnât as incomptent as he seemed. Maybe everything went exactly as he planned, or at least hoped.
I think Kyloâs choosing to take an elitist tack was mostly projection as DHF said, since he was ragging on her being a âscavengerâ even in TFA as though she werenât completely comfortable with that. But itâs really disturbing to think that he might be obsessed with âpure Force babiesâ himself.
But yeah, if he grows any kind of smarts at all he will use Finn against her and vice versa in Episode IX. The bond between Finn and Rey has been built up for two movies, and heâand the creatorsâhad better use it to maximum effect.
@lj-writes, I think my supposition sort of goes hand in hand with your idea of Kylo ragging on her. Thatâs why I scoff at reylos claiming Kylo had an enormous boner for her in TFA. He didnât. One of the things with Kylo I thought JJ got right, if he was making him a Vader stan, was sharing Vader (and Palpatineâs) disdain for non-Force sensitive beings. They might respect them to some degree, like a Tarkin, but they still thought they were inferior, to a certain degree. There was something in Legends where Palps almost went over the line, questioning why Vader would have gone for Padme as a non-Force sensitive before catching himself and stating that she was a lovely woman from a good family on par with the Naboo Palpatines (all of whom he killed, btw).Â
In TFA, Kylo considered Rey nothing but a dumpster diver, who he was going to violate and discard, the way heâd planned on doing with Poe. It was only when she proved to be Force Sensitive that he backed off and tried to change tactics, because as FS being, she was now worthy of more of his regard – until he didnât need it anymore.
This is why I feel it was a mistake to not confirm Finn as FS in TFA. Because in TLJ, the through-line by Rian Asshole seems to be âRey can only turn to Kylo because as a FS being, he alone understands her pain and what she needs, and they have a bond no one who isnât FS an understand.â By not making them have a familial bond, Rian was basically saying Kylo and Rey are the only ones for each other, and if it doesnât happen, itâs not because it shouldnât, but because it couldnât. Itâs something that has been picked up by general audiences as well as Reylos, and goes along with Kyloâs disgust that Rey is worried about Finn. Why worry about some non-FS âtraitorâ when FS Kylo and his square boobs are right there?
Of course, no one seemed to complain about the lack for Force Sensitivity in the partners of Leia and Anakin. But we all know what the difference was there.
I never got the impression Vader respected Tarkin tbh, he and Palpatine found Tarkinâs abilities useful but Vader was really pissy about Tarkin not respecting the Force and himself enough, feeling himself owed a degree of deference for his abilities. The way Snoke talks about Hux, a.k.a. Tarkin II, behind his back is downright depersonalizing–not to say Hux doesnât deserve serious disrespect, but it seems to be for the wrong reasons.
While I strongly believe Force sensitive Finn is canon, I am not at all sure that the canon will confirm his Force sensitivity and canon Finnrey at the same time. Anakin married a non-Force sensitive, as you point out, and so did Leia. In the lamentable Luke-Leia-Han triangle Leia chose Han even before she knew Luke was her brother. Lukeâs marriage to Mara Jade or someone like her never happened in this continuity, so far as we know. If Kyle Ron is interested in bucking that trend and âcontinuing the bloodlineâ with a powerful Force-sensitive woman (ew), it would present a stronger contrast if Rey marries a non-Force sensitive rather than another Force-sensitive person. Itâs all sorts of problematic that they might position the Black male lead as the one with âlesserâ genes whom Rey chooses for love, but Han was originally cast to be played by a Black man with all the problems this implies. And the Reylows can fuck off with their not-even-veiled eugenics rhetoric.
This would make him somewhere between 21 and 24 three years before ANH. (Personally Iâd call 24 mid-20s but you can make an argument for early 20s too.) Which would make him between 24 and 27 in ANH.
I canât recall which novel it was, but it was one of the new Disney ones that happens right after ANH where Leia refers to Han as âlate 20sâ which would fit with an age of 26 or 27.
Apart from the timeline of Solo itâs interesting to note that not only has LF knocked years off Hanâs age again and again, Disney have now made it so he is about 7-8 years older than Leia. Still an age gap, but one most would be able to live with.
Which is another reason I doubt either Reylo or Damerey will happen. All other things aside, given how they keep downsizing Hanâs age because people are uncomfortable with the age gap, theyâre not all of a sudden pair a teenaged girl off with a man 10-12 years her senior.
separation, and by all accounts their marriage wasnât that great
while they were married to each other either (they mention fighting and
Han leaving a lot in TFA). An analogy would be Titanic where like Jack
dies and Rose goes onto marry someone else and have children with them,
but Jack is still the love of her life and she reunites with him in the
afterlife.
This new canon is Shitty to the OT characters in so many ways, and the Han x Leia relationship is no exception.
Everything in this anon hasnât been confirmed by anything official. We donât know the dice are Qi’raâs or that she dies. 1 pic of her holding the dice could mean anything. We donât know Han kept nothing of Leiaâs during their separation. We also know from books Han and Leia remained happy and in love for decades until Kylo turned. HL is my SW Notp so I canât believe this wank seeking anon reduced me to defending them. Maybe they should come off anon and provide evidence.
I hope anon is wrong, too. The parts about the marriage being unhappy and filled with strife smells of Reylo fanwank, too. And I thought the dice were from his game with Lando and it would be crappy to erase that just to insert QiâRa. And Iâm with you on being forced to defend my NoTP, which is a constant mood these days đ
Do you mean the interview where Jonathon said âHan is the least chaste character in the Star Wars saga, so we saw
making a young Han movie as an opportunity to really deal with a
romantic and sexual relationship where heâs truly attracted to a woman
and itâs a big part of the dynamic?â He didnât say it was the only time, but it does have a weird vibe seeing how we thought we already had âan opportunity to really deal with a
romantic and sexual relationship where heâs truly attracted to a woman.â Heâs trying to sell it like itâs something new when it isnât.
Thereâs also a passage in Harrison Ford: The Films where Lawrence Kasdan is quoted saying he did not like Han and Leiaâs relationship (found via this forum), and he was supposedly behind the decision to break them up in TFA, so pushing Han x QiâRa might be a natural result.
but whyyyyyyy, in Legends Han was not only a good guy but also a good man, like even before ANH Han wasnât like sleeping around so why this sudden insistence on changing the character? And really? How can you be against Han and Leia as a couple??
I thoroughly disagree with the assertion that Han is the least chaste character in the Star Wars saga. The core of his character up to ESB is that heâs a giant dork TRYING to be this suave, smoldering sex iconâthe man he thinks Lando is, basically (âyouâll like himâ). You can see that with his fumbling attempts to win Leia over and how taken aback he is at Landoâs effortless flirtation.
But Lando has changed, too, shucked off the scoundrel costume that Han is still struggling to fit into. Han doesnât know what to make of that, this new maturity in the man who has been for so long his ideal of sexy devil-may-care manliness. He thought he had that made when he won the Falcon from Lando, but itâs never fit comfortably and Lando is still the sexiest man in the universe, has grown into himself so much more in fact in a way thatâs forever leaving Han scrambling to catch up.
And then it comes together for him, through the crisis, through the revelation of the feet of clay on a man he canât stop loving anyway. He doesnât need to put on any airs or be anyone except who he is. Leia has loved him the whole time exactly as he is and a part of him knew it all along. It might already be too late, but he knows that now.
look up the definition of a parallel because this not a parallel
like the situations are completely different like leia is literally rescuing han and actual loves and cares about hanâs well being while kylo is literally the reason why rey is there and is torturing her at the very moment and doesnât give a damn about rey beyond what she can give him which he would take with or without her consent
also the whole reason why leia and kylo are taking off their helmets are completely different like leia took it off so han could know itâs her while kylo took it off to manipulate rey so he could get he wants from her
But someone DID come back to rescue Rey at great personal risk, like Leia did for Han⊠who was it? Itâll come to meâŠđ€
oh you mean this guy:
who came back for rey like this:Â
^^^^ Yeah! Him! Funny how he keeps getting overlooked, huh? He even pulls a “do it my way or we all dieâ move on Phasma like Leia did on Jabba with the bomb.
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