Tag: interracial relationships

Finnrey played out albeit not on screen in the canon book Rebel Rising where Jyn for a boy named Hadder who was coded as black. So along with Lost Stars, that’s good enough for tie-in material but not for the big screen.

Forgot to mention: Jyn and Hadder canonically lost their
virginity to each other so yeah. Really not happy with LF’s bullshit
with Finnrey rn.

I think it’s the nature of movies as a visual and commercial medium and how racism and white male entitlement interact with it. The way Denzel Washington put it, as remembered by Virtuosity co-star Kelly Lynch: “[W]hite men bring women to movies, and they don’t want to watch a black man with their woman.” Comics and novels, though they are still heavily racist, are generally enjoyed alone. They’re not tied into dating rituals for most people, and though comics are a visual medium they are not as immediate as the big screen. Big franchises like SW can change the range of what’s possible, though, and I really hope Disney/LF will break this barrier.

Also while I’m glad there are more interracial relationships and other representation in the tie-ins, Jyn/Hadder doesn’t sound that great from the Wookieepedia description and it’s certainly not what I want Finnrey to be. Hadder gave up his chance to fly with the Rebellion so he could be with Jyn, and then the story had him blown up so she could feel bad. This brings me right back to the time I quit watching The 100 over its treatment of Wells (link). Fridging Black boys for white girls’ stories is not progressive, it’s just a tired reiteration of a racist cliché.

What do you think about people saying the resistance to Anne and Phillip’s relationship (from The Greatest Showman) had more to do with class than race, using their song for white ships like Reylow and so on? I personally thought the lyrics were a clear reference to segregation and anti-miscegenation, like the part about “doors that we can’t walk through.”

diversehighfantasy:

They’re wrong. It’s irritating enough to see people change the context of the song for all-white ships, but to say the original interracial couple the song’s about were only dealing with classism, not racism? Wrong, dismissive, revisionist.

It’s saying that in order for the song to have meaning for them, they have to remove the blackness.

bellark-e:

John Boyega talking openly and in favor of Finnrey makes him braver than any U.S. marine

He really is brave, though. There is widespread and virulent bigotry against race-mixing, particularly between Black men and white women at the crossing of antiblack racism and white men’s entitlement. Remember the South African actor John Kani who played T’Chaka from Civil War and Black Panther? In 1987 he was hauled in for police questioning because he played Othello and kissed a white woman on stage. He told his interrogator that at least he could kiss her without leaving a smudge like Laurence Olivier in blackface did. The policeman was not amused. (It was funny tho?)

If you want to say that was different because it was in South Africa during apartheid, remember Notting Hill Carnival? The event where Boyega himself was criticized by some rando for dancing with a woman? The Carnival was a response to the 1958 Notting Hill race riots in which a mob of 300-400 white people attacked Black families in the area. One of the victims was a white Swedish woman married to a Jamaican man, who was targeted for her relationship as can be seen by the insults slung at her like “Black man’s trollop.” Hatred of interracial relationships and violence against people in them is part and parcel with racism and antiblackness.

Most times the hostility may show itself in the form of microaggressions, but if Finnrey becomes canon in a franchise as big as SW the backlash is going to be huge. And John is absolutely sticking his neck out advocating for the ship–which, as he points out, just makes the most sense story-wise.

diversehighfantasy:

thelastjedicritical:

shannanigansandmisadventures replied to your post: “I’m honestly so confused about people suddenly claiming that…”:

I can’t speak for tv shows, but I watch a ton of movies and out of the last 15 films I watched, only one had an interracial couple. You’re still more likely to see what I’ve been calling a “matched pair” where two people of the same race end up together.

There is a type of racism where it’s okay to some people for different races to be together but not white people with a poc character. This still stems from the “white people are a superior race” mindset.

yes, the only difference now is that compared to a few years ago I can actually list some interracial pairings… 

And while I think it is very important to have interracial pairings in the media where both are POC I have absolutely noticed that in fandom spaces even obviously racist people had no problem declaring they ship an interracial pairing when both characters are POC but if one character is white the weird excuses suddenly begin as to why this white person has to be with another white character/or noone, and the character of colour with another character of colour/noone. It’s pretty clear POC are seen as more fitting with other POC in racist fandom spaces, while character of colour/white character seems to be a huge step or even unthinkable for many. 

Fandom likes to think that white supremacy is all white hoods and tiki torches when it’s actually something very ingrained in Western culture. The idea that approving of POC/POC IR but not white/POC IR is super progressive disregards history’s treatment of the latter.

If you look at anti-miscegenation laws in US history, they were specific to marriages, sex and procreation between a white person and a person of color, and was applied most aggressively to white/Black relationships. Those laws were specifically about not “tainting” the white race (and I’m not being histrionic when I saw that the same laws were upheld in Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa, applying specifically to relationships with a white person and a non-white person (including Jewish people)). Americans don’t like to think that our country is that white supremacist, but it, historically, is. And the effects of those laws influence modern American worldviews.

The main targets of these laws were Black men. Although the famous Loving vs Virginia case involved a white husband and Black wife, white men, historically, were less targeted; they were allowed to take whatever they wanted from Black women. There was no protection for Black women. White women, on the other hand, needed protection from Black men, and a Black man with a white woman was the ultimate abomination. Many lynchings of Black men were justified as protecting the sanctity of white women (even if the man had had neither assaulted nor had a consensual relationship with a white woman).

It goes deep. There’s an analogy that people still use today: A drop of sewage (black blood) in a vat of pure water (white blood) contaminates the water, while a drop of water in a vat of sewage is still sewage. (My mom is white – trust me, this analogy is still used).

Most people wouldn’t admit to believing that, but a 2016 study by the University of Washington (https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/a-hidden-bias-toward-interracial-couples/) concluded that, while white students will say they’re all for interracial relationships, many implicitly react with “disgust” when shown photos of white/Black couples.

In one part of the study, participants were asked to categorize Black/white couples, same race couples, and animals:

We predicted that when interracial couples and animals were categorized together, the participants who were primed to feel disgusted would do the task faster. Instead, we found that all participants completed the task faster when interracial couples and animals were categorized using the same button (indicating implicit dehumanization).

tl;dr: Americans are socialized to implicitly find white/Black couples repellent, even after all these years, and that is strongly reflected in fandom patterns..

perpetualbbps:

Every single white lesbian who has spent years complaining about the lack of lesbians on screen had better support The CW’s Black Lightning. 

Anissa Pierce (portrayed by Nafessa Williams):

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is a canon lesbian with superpowers (who goes by the name Thunder) who has, among other abilities, the power to make herself invulnerable (this means she’s essentially unkillable-although she can be hurt/injured!)

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Her comic-canon girlfriend Grace Choi (Chantal Thuy) has already been cast:

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Grace is half-Amazon, and has superhuman durability and rapid healing abilities-which also help to make her relatively invincible!

Also, they’re really cute in the comics:

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So basically-support this lesbian, interracial, basically invulnerable couple on the CW’s Black Lightning-airing January 16th, 2017!!!!!

Dammit fandom…(from io9)

i-just-like-commenting:

Ok, so the interracial relationship on the show is described as “forced” and immediately compared to another interracial couple who supposedly have no chemistry.

More bashing on an interracial ship, then shipping two white people who don’t exist in the same universe…but maybe this is all a coincidence. I mean, I don’t even follow Arrow, so I don’t know who Diggle and Lyla are, they couldn’t be…

DAMMIT FANDOM WHY IS THERE ALWAYS THIS PATTERN

porgsitter:

kingofjakku:

classifiedxrey:

angelsaxis:

Can someone PLEASE explain this to me

Haha this is a hilarious misinterpretation of this scene on behalf of the r/ylo 😭

To start off, spoilers. So the Austrian professor (who may or may not be a Nazi but Austrian in the 30’s. He’s certainly a racist fucker but you have to see the movie honestly it’s great) is insisting that he not be sat with the black doctor onboard the train because ‘races should be separate’. Daisy’s character (and the doctor’s lover btw) insists that not everyone is concerned with the separation of races. Old racist Prof argues that mixing races is disrespectful to both, like mixing her red wine and her white wine would ruin them both. Daisy’s character casually pours her white into her red, toasts it to him and says ‘I like a good rosé.’ She gets up and leaves.

So in conclusion, it’s literally a scene about telling racists where to stick it in regards to interracial relationships and the r/ylos think it’s a clue to their white abusive ship. I’m dying.

Anything means Reylo to them. On the other hand, I really loved that scene and the one where she confronts Poirot before everything is revealed. It gave me chills.

LOLs but if you take the actual context of the scene wouldn’t this mean… er… FINNREY? And literally be a kick into the face of all the R/eylo FORCE BABY and “two people who are strong with the Force have to bang to spread the Force” bullshit? I’m just saying… (I don’t think this scene has ANYTHING to do with Star Wars btw… also do they just want to tell me that a light side Force user being with a dark side Force user is the same thing as an interracial relationship? God damn these racist little bitches…) 

Of all the things shippers want to appropriate for their ship, they want to argue it’s like an INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIP, too? Because fascists are discriminated against like Black people, evidently? Oh my God. Oh my God, I can’t.

This isn’t even the first time reylos have claimed economics as a reason their ship will happen. I saw a post saying Disney would be crazy to pass on cash cow reylo babies. But Rey is just as capable of having babies with Finn, the guy she already finds attractive and has a deep bond with? I wonder why shippers think finnrey babies wouldn’t be as lucrative.

diversehighfantasy:

johnnyclash87:

diversehighfantasy:

It would ruin the aesthetic.

Gotta have those pure white Skywalkers, even though the Solo babies would have been biracial Black if George had his way and his own youngest baby Everst Lucas is biracial Black. Which, btw, I think is a point that supports Finnrey, even though Lucas doesn’t run the show anymore.

Do it for Everest.

Hold up, what’s this about the Solo babies being biracial? Were Han or Leia originally supposed to be Black?

Han was originally conceived and cast as Black. Many Black actors, including Billy Dee Williams, auditioned for the part, and it ultimately went to Glynn Turman (true story). Lucas did not have 100% control, and the studio got cold feet because Han was being set up to possibly have a relationship with Leia, so he was recast with Harrison Ford.

So, if Lucas had been allowed to cast his first choice (Turman), and everything else was the same, Kylo Ren would be Black.

If Han had been played by Glynn as originally envisioned Luke/Leia would have been a MUCH bigger ship and Skycest fans would be bitching to this day about how their ship should have been canon. Since I, like you, believe Rey and Kylo are siblings I think that scenario is belatedly becoming reality with Reylo and Finnrey. Reylos and assorted anti Finnreys are never ever going to stop bellyaching if/when Finnrey becomes canon.