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diversehighfantasy:

lj-writes:

diversehighfantasy:

imagine-mystrade:

jewishcomeradebot:

Why does Rey intended to try and bring Kylo back to the Light? She makes it clear to Luke that she’s doing it for the Resistance’s sake when he still refuses to return after offers him the lightsaber for the second time.

But why would the Resistance ever need Kylo? Even without any kind of training Rey kicked his ass. She “borrows” Luke’s books, presumably to use them as a reading course for brushing up on Jedi skills. With that she’d be more than able to kick his ass again.

If the Resistance has her it’ll never need Kylo, Ben or whatever he might choose to call himself.

Except, the Resistance doesn’t have Rey does it?

She had no plan on joining forces with the Resistance after they deliver BB-8 to them, only wanted to go back to Jakku. In TLJ her two constants while she is with Luke is to consistently ask him to return with her and try to get information about or word to Finn. And her last words to Finn in TFA is that she believes they’ll see each other again.

In fact she seems intent on dispensing with her errand as quickly as possible so  she can return to the Resistance so she can return fast. Last she had a chance to really talk to Finn he made it clear he had no intention of becoming a part of the Resistance or stick around, for all she knows he’ll be gone the moment he’s up and about.

She has no intention of sticking around with the Resistanc, she just want someone else who can deal with all of this and when Luke refuses to return, Rey turns to Kylo as her second option. If she can turn him back to the Light then she can dump the Resistance and all this Force nonsense in his lap and fly off into the sunset  with her new boyfriend – the only living person who cared enough for her to make sure she was safe and free even at great cost to himself – and enough knowledge that she doesn’t create mishaps with her new abilities.

I think a lot of people miss this, tbh. Rey was looking to get back to Finn. You get the impression that Rey felt that the “Luke issue” was not that he was depressed, necessarily, but that he was somewhere no one could find him and that as soon as he was found and told that the First Order was killing people, he’d just come back immediately. She likely thought she’d be on Ahch-To only long enough to find Luke, tell him the deal, help him back his stuff, and then head back to the last reported position of the Resistance fleet.

It’s still bad writing for her to assume that Kylo is the last hope. Why not try to find Maz, who is Force Sensitive, though not a trained Jedi? Maz said in TFA she knows the Force, and I think she probably knew her way around a lightsaber. She’s obviously worried about Finn. He’s out of the woods in TFA (which is another continuity shitball courtesy of Rian Johnson), but not conscious. It’s clear she wants to return to him. I think she also wants to help rid the galaxy of the First Order, but I think she thought her part in it was to scoop Luke up and bring him to where he could help. The whole “There’s something inside me that’s awakened” is Rian Johnsass’s projection bullshit that had no place in this movie.

If you look at Rey as the actual protagonist of her own arc, her story is like a classic Odyssey; like Odysseus the goal is to get back home (Finn has replaced Jakku as her belonging place). She faces a string of mental and physical challenges to reaching that goal, including breaking through to an uncommunicative Luke, finding the lightsaber, learning Force control, facing herself in the cave, and, of course, Kylo Ren, who tries to Siren-song her to the Dark Side, and the physical battles with the Guards and the FO ships at Crait.

Holy shit this adds a whole new meaning to the look Rey gave Finn and
Rose. It’s like Odysseus braving gods, witches, monsters and what have
you to come home to Penelope, only to find her beleaguered by suitors.
Finn has a new commitment to the Resistance and at least one new
friend–perhaps girlfriend?–that he cares about very much. Rey doesn’t
know how hard he tried to keep her safe and meet up with her, and we
don’t know if the deleted scene where he saw BB-8′s recording is canon.
The deleted scene being canon would explain much about his attempt to
leave, but there’s also dramatic irony in the two of them being like
ships passing in the night, each pining for the other while being
unaware the other feels the same. It’s the classic “mutual unrequited
crush” situation, except with magic, lasers, and fascists.

And
now Luke is gone and Kylo has refused yet again to return to the light.
Rey is the only known Force user left to fight for the Resistance, and
Finn, who had asked her to come with him, is staying of his own free
will. In TFA it was Finn who said “Come with me” and Rey who told him,
“Don’t go.” In TLJ it was Rey who was fighting her way to his side, for
the chance to say  “Come with me” with a clear conscience, and now both
the needs of the universe and Finn himself are telling her without
words, “Don’t go.”

As Rey watches Finn and Rose, is she
regretting the fact that she didn’t go when he asked? Wondering if she
might be the one he would be tucking in if she had left with him? But
also realizing that this isn’t  just about the two of them, they can’t
ignore the threat of the First Order and now they are both enmeshed?
Wondering if they will ever be able to live free of the looming menace
and the moral obligation to fight it, whether they will both make it out
alive to think about a future together, doubting whether the two of
them together is even on the table for him anymore?

Like John said on Twitter (link here), that look said it all.

Yup. Finn isn’t purely a Penelope, since he has his own hero’s journey. But in the context of Rey’s journey, he’s a classic Penelope, complete with a “suitor.”

Exactly. What I love about their intertwined stories in TLJ is that they are each their own Odysseus and the other’s Penelope. (Also I love the idea of a Black man being a cherished and protected love interest that a heroic woman is lifting heaven and earth to come home to.) Rey has her Odyssey but so does Finn, to protect Rey and also to find a new purpose, a new commitment. Rey also has her “suitor,” the Force and being a Jedi, and this is made quite explicit in the novelization when Finn fears, right before their reunion, that she might no longer be the Rey he knew. And then Rey falls into his arms, laughing and sobbing at the same time and my heart send help

Do you think it’s rude to assume John/Finn will be sidelined again in the next movie like he was in TLJ? Someone said it’s weird that people are already writing off JJ Abrams and that we should wait and see?

ori-ebon:

lj-writes:

I completely understand people’s need not to get their hopes up. As long as people aren’t derailing other people’s positive speculations about the movie I think everyone is entitled to their pessimism/caution. In general I hate it when people police others’ reactions. As long as things are tagged properly and people stay in their lanes, let people deal with their hopes, fears, and whatever other anticipations in peace.

Still, the fear is understandable at this point. JJ is the one who made Finn into a red herring for Rey in the first place and downplayed his competence to boost her up by comparison. It’s entirely possible that that was just the first stage of a what was to be a phenomenal arc for the character that got derailed when it was determined that fumbling, bumbling Rian Johnson would helm Ep VIII, but we’ll never know now. All we have to go on for certain is what JJ’s done with Finn so far, and it doesn’t inspire a lot of hope, at least not in me personally.

Yeah, JJ just looks so much better than RJ by comparison which… talk about low bars. I put more trust in John here: he has talked before about Finn being more of a growing hero than one who gets everything right from the start, and though a lot of his best qualities were artificially curtailed and downplayed in TFA they were still there. So I’m cautiously optimistic.

This may sound silly, but it’s hair of all things that’s giving me a sense that things may be different this time. John is the only cast member so far to have announced a change in appearance, and hair often has quite a lot of visual and story significance. This was thought out and planned ahead of time, since JJ would have had to let John know to grow his hair out through the spring and summer. It also had enough story meaning and prominence that John teased it well ahead of the first teaser, saying we would see what it was for when we saw the trailer. As I jokingly pointed out, a certain section of the fandom would have gone batshit if this had been for one of their white faves. Though a small detail, this points to more care and thought being put into the character, and excitement on John’s part if he’s discussing it already.

It also gives me hope that JJ has evidently been talking to Ava DuVernay and accepted her recommendation of Victoria Mahoney as second unit director. Obviously neither Ava nor Vic can influence Finn’s story in any final manner, but it’s a reminder that JJ respects Ava and is receptive to her views–if not specifically about Finn, at least about the importance of representation and diversity. That is my hope anyway.

All this is just me, of course, and I agree JJ deserves no passes at all for how he’s treated Finn. He could have done a growing hero without using Finn as bait or turning him into the butt of the joke in so many scenes. I hope he’ll be better than RJ but that is, again, a massively low bar.

Wait, Reylows are worse than The Joh/nL/ock Conspiracy?

hanukkahfinn:

If you ask me, yes. Though I may have missed them at their worst just around S4. I started drifting away from BBC Sherlock and its fandom a couple of months post-S3 an was fully gone about nine months later

I’d say part of it is sheer size. BBC Sherlock might have been a sizable fandom but it wasn’t Star Wars huge. Really, only the Marvel/MCU fandom comes anywhere close in size. I don’t think there are more reylo tinfoil hatter than there were tjlc tinfoil hatter, but numerically there are that many more of them.

Also they are unfortunately validated by a society that thinks that a relationship between a teenaged girl and man ten years her senior, who’s been nothing but abuse, violent and manipulative towards her, is more acceptable than a Black man only 4 years older, who’s been nothing but kind and supportive. Tjlc was never validated by outlets such as the Mary Sue, if anything it was met with ridicule. But let’s face it, these white women who will write endlessly about #metoo and ending abuse and violence towards women, only mean to fight the men they don’t personally find attractive and they sure as hell would never promote a kind Black man over an abusive white one.

And going off of that there’s the racism, which makes these (most white) women infinitely more aggressive than I ever saw tjlc tinfoil hatters be. Only character of color with any kind of presence in BBC Sherlock was Sally Donovan and for all that she was hated she was never seen as a possible legitimate love interest for Sherlock or John. Not that these wankers couldn’t be aggressively misogynistic, they treated both Mary Morstan and her actress Amanda Abbington really badly, but I’d still say it was peanuts compared to what reylos on an average day do and say about Finn/John.

Finally there’s the fact that reylo long since moved on from being a cult of personality thing, led by a few ringleaders, to straight up cult. Tjlc even at its worst to me always seemed to be a cult of personality thing, it was centered around a few people and once they left the fandom – I think they left in the end – it pretty much died down. Reylo is just straight up cult these days, it doesn’t matter if the ring leaders move on or not, reylos will continue their rabid tinfoil hattery regardless.

And as far as I can tell there was never anything particularly offensive about Johnlock, other than its canon proponents taking it to ridiculous extremes? Reylow combines the romanticization of abuse and fascist woobification with reaching and conspiracy theorizing (Enfys = Kylo, Solo is all about foreshadowing Reylow!!!11one), yet TMS in its awfulness mocks Johnlocks but validates Reylows. Threatened whiteness is dangerous and noxious, and the stink of desperation is all over these people.

general-0rganaa:

lj-writes:

general-0rganaa:

I’m still in disbelief that I met John and that my smallish convention managed to get him as a guest the fact that he held me I’m

AHHHH DETAILS PLS

During photo ops he was such a sweetheart and so nice with everyone he complemented my cosplay and he held me during the photo plus during his panel when someone would say hi to him during the q and a part he always greeted them back and overall he was always smiling and was so positive with everyone djakdn