lj-writes:

lj-writes:

On the one hand: I can’t wait for finery to become canon and to give the loudest whoop of my life, and possibly burst into tears, as they have their epic onscreen kiss.

On the other hand: John got so much racist shit thrown his way just for being IN Star Wars. I don’t want to think about how much more he might have to endure if he kisses a white woman on screen. Daisy would get shit, too–the reactions to her Instagram postings are a good indicator–but the brunt of the rage will be focused on John and possibly JJ. Fortunately John has shown the fortitude to show grace and humor in the face of hatred, but he really shouldn’t have to.

If Supergirl season one is anything to use as a guideline, then yes. It
would be an ugly mess. Right now the worst of it is under wraps because
so many fans are pretending that there’s NO POSSIBLE WAY Finn and Rey
could be more than friends.

Thank you (?) @rose-griffes for confirming my worst fears. I mean, these anti Finnreys are really something else. Don’t like the pairing, fine. Don’t want it to be canon, whatever. But pretending the romantic clues aren’t there, that the pairing is utterly impossible, that’s just racially motivated self-deception and nothing else.

Oh it’s going to be such fun. /s

And yeah, John will definitely bear the brunt of it, but I think JJ will get his share too if the Star Trek fandom is anything to go by. I’m not looking forward to the thinly veiled rants about him promoting miscegenation and polluting the “white race” which as a Jew was his plan all along.

Not that it’ll be stated that bluntly of course.

Omg and JJ is a “prior offender” too via Star Trek. Yeah they’ll drag Spuhura into it too and complain about how he’s pushing a “political agenda” over supposed artistic integrity. They’ll rant about how he misled them and gave them false hopes, how he’s being sexist and ableist (??) with Finnrey etc.

Re your tags, watch their claims at being Finnrose and/or Finnpoe fans evaporate quickly if neither Finnrey nor Reylo happens, especially if canon Reylo becomes completely impossible due to Rey Solo or Skywalker.

Stormtrooper Rebellion Confirmed?

kyberfox:

A popular theory about what Finn’s arc in TLJ will be, involves him freeing reconditioned Stormtroopers and starting a rebellion against the First Order from within. With the further benefit that if the Resistance can permanently disable or find a way of easily circumvent the reconditioning process they’d have dealt a strong blow to how the First Order maintain complete loyalty among its trooper and officers.

This idea that is based among other things on Finn and Rose going undercover, the knowledge that we’re going to be encountering at least one Executioner Trooper – a branch who’s sole task it is to hunt down disloyal members with the First Order and take care of them – and us seeing him fighting Phasma while Stormtroopers seems to be aiding him, rather than fighting against him.

And in the bts video released today the theory may have got additional confirmation.

If my theory that reconditioning is literally a procedure that turns the subject into a human droid – such as Terex is in the Poe Dameron comic – then the best way to foil such a thing would be with a slicer (the in universe word for a hacker). And a slicer is exactly what Finn and Rose originally goes hunting for and find, embodied in Benicio Del Toro’s mysterious character DJ.

Here is where the bts video gets interesting.

We see a very brief scene of a determined Finn walking down a large hallway. Rose is behind him in the right side of the screen.

And to the left?

Benicio Del Toro.

So, DJ is with them when they get to the FO base or Star Destroyer.

Now there’s a lot of reasons to get a slicer and bring him into a First Order base. Such as getting codes or critical intel, or just wreck general havoc with their systems.

So was the idea to use DJ’s skills to free reconditioned troops the original idea? Or is this Finn’s own plan? And if DJ is as self serving as both Benicio and John has been saying, how does Finn and Rose talk him into coming along? Does Rose’s tragic past play into it? One she might share with DJ? Or is there a glimmer of altruistic good in DJ under the cynicism?

It would be really interesting if this is something Finn comes up with himself. Remember my earlier speculations about the Resistance brass possibly ignoring the Stormtrooper uprising as impossible and too risky? Well what if the DJ mission were originally for the usual espionage uses–getting a command code and whatnot–but Rose discovers a new application to breaking Stormtrooper reconditioning? And DJ agrees to help, because he sees in Finn’s passion and Rose’s brilliance something he can believe in again, or at least a change of pace?

kyberfox:

Oh look, Her Royal Pain In The Arse being Antisemitic. Again.

It’s particularly hilarious that she appropriates and devalues Jewish people’s trauma in a post where she begs to have her own trauma re: cancer respected. Other people who have had close relatives die of cancer do according to her not get to have a different opinion than hers on the topic of using “like a cancer” as an idiom, but she gets to appropriate a trauma that isn’t hers at all for rhetorical purposes.

Right, Hannah. Go step on a Lego

And the irony is, unlike antis’ requests to shippers hers was actually listened to. She wasn’t told, at least not by me, that other people who suffered the same thing are fine with it so she had to suck it up. She wasn’t told to filter the anti reylo tag. I may not feel the same way she does about the comparison but that gives me no right to override her feelings and those of others who are hurt by it, obviously. The Empress of Jack Schitt was just pissy I wasn’t giving her proper deference in the antis’ own tag.

But yeah, somehow that’s an occasion for comparing a naturally occurring disease, which is devastating in its own right and DOESN’T NEED A COMPARISON, with the intentional attempted destruction of an entire people and all the unspeakable crimes it entailed. I can’t even comprehend the thought process here.

kyberfox:

finndeservesbetter:

kyberfox:

finndeservesbetter:

kyberfox:

I’m laughing so freaking hard right now.

Reylos are actually upset enough about my “that might be Finn holding out his hand in that last scene and not Kylo” meta, that they’re making counter metas to prove that it is Kylo.

I’m just? How upset do you have to be that you need to start that for the mere theory that that hand might belong to the Black male lead and not the white villain.

I love how their only piece of “evidence” is that bit from the SW website. Like the movie industry have never lied to audience before? Nope, never happened.

I must have hit a serious nerve there.

Even if that is Kylo that don’t mean he’s reaching out to Rey 🙃🙃🙃

Exactly!

Especially given that the Kylo scene and the Rey scene clearly comes from different short. So the whole thing is so clearly a misdirection, which they damn well know but can’t own up to because they’d have to accept that their ship is based on nothing but thin air.

The major question here is, a misdirection for what?

Finn is my fave candidate so far, since that would really rub some salt on the wounds 🙂 other than that I’m not sure who else he would reach out for, except maybe Luke? But that wouldn’t make much sense at this point

Finn’s my favorite too and Luke is the second option.

But I’ve come across one compelling theory. That it is Kylo who’s holding out his hand, but it’s not Rey he’s holding his hand out to like we’re meant to believe. It’s Finn.

Imagine this.

We have all this fire and burning stuff and it’s the kind of setting we see Finn fight Phasma in. What if Kylo comes and offers Finn a deal, to help him free the other Stormtroopers and get them out if Finn joins him. Maybe even offers to train him as a Force user?

The FO was only ever the means to an end for Kylo, that much is clear in TFA. He’d be quite willing to burn the whole thing down if that achieved his goal quicker. (Whatever that is.)

And if all those other Stormtrooper’s freedom depends on Finn’s choice – like they’re outnumbered and out gunned by the FO – if he thought he might be able to end the FO who abused him and so many others right then and there with Kylo’s help? What would he chose? Would he set aside his own hate for Kylo for a time to defeat the First Order? If Kylo offers him to take down Snoke with his help? To end it and the FO?

I could see Finn be tempted by that.

The whole thing would be a replay of Vader and Luke, but with Kylo and Finn. Heck Kylo’s words in the trailer?

“Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to. It’s the only way to become what you were meant to be.”

What if he says them to Finn? Really they make so much more sense in that context than if they’re said to Rey. And the thing is, what we see of Finn in the trailer, it’s clear that he wants to kill his past, and with good reason, but it could land him with a not-so-good “ally”.

On one hand this theory worries me, because I’m uncertain Rian can handle that kind of complexity in a Black character. On the other hand I want it desperately, it could be an awesome character arc for Finn. We’ve never really seen Finn tempted by the Dark Side and part of me wants that, wants him to face the idk what to call it “traditional character tests in Star Wars”?

But I’m scared shitless how Rian would handle it if it’s true

I read the idea earlier today and my brain has been veering back and forth between; awesome, eh idk, and hell no, ever since. I have still to make up my mind about it.

I FREAKING LOVE THAT IDEA on its own merits, that is, quite aside from Rian’s ability to handle it.

I just hope, if this is the case, Finn realizes that Kyle is still not only a mass murderer but a user who would use him and the troopers and then throw them away like he’s used and betrayed everyone he has ever associated with; Luke, his own parents, and now the First Order. I mean Kale’s line in the trailer is pretty much him admitting to this.

And then Finn remembers that Kal is also a failure and a flop who’s not even of use as a temporary ally of convenience and lops that fucking hand off 🙂