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The only reason why Rey thinks Kyle might be redeemable in TLJ is because of Finn. Think about it:

In the TFA, as soon as Finn and Rey became an alliance, he always put her needs first, which she has never experienced in her life before. When Finn explains himself to Rey, she understands his situation of being is a man who was orphaned, tortured and conditioned into being a foot soldier for the evil. But even despite this and his obvious fear of the First Order, he puts his neck on the line to save Rey and the Resistance time and time again from joining the resistance mission to fighting Kyle.

No wonder she thought Kyle could be redeemed because if Finn, who has without a doubt suffered more in his lifetime than Kyle has, can take a stand toward the light and be a goddamn hero then any decent person can.

Only problem is Kyle isn’t a decent person and certainly isn’t nearly as good as Finn is.

Hey op you realize Kylo and Finn two different characters right. Both went through abuse Kylo( Snoke) and Finn( Fo) both of their abuse were different. This literally like “ good survivor” vs “ bad survivor” Both have their own arcs and paths

Like abuse people pick up signs different. Not everyone is lucky to noticed let alone get out when they have chance. Finn saw a chance and got out however it’s not quite same for Kylo.

You don’t need pit these two characters against each other. You don’t need to lift Finn up while pushing Kylo down.

Dislike Kylo fine but it’s really not needed to say why you like Finn.

People who compare abuse survivors and say UWU one should do better because another succeeded are the scummiest assholes who have no comprehension of how hard it is to recover.

This literally sounds so god damn ableist. What the fuck, OP

Some people?? commit mass murder?? to cope???

Anyway, Kyle Ron is a war criminal piece of shit who deserves death 🙂

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“Kylo should be a hero the forgotten children can look up to” is honestly a vile thing to say when Finn exists as an actual hero.

His body language, actions, and the fact that this is fucking Star Wars indicate he has probably been brainwashed. So was Finn. Finn escaped. Some people can.

SOME PEOPLE CANNOT ESCAPE ABUSE, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, AND THEY NEED TO SEE SOMEONE LIKE THEM EVENTUALLY GETTING OUT OR FREE.

Kylo becoming a hero is NOT going to negate Finn’s heroism. People do NOT just like Kylo because they’re racist against Finn, or they’re woobifying–Kylo’s storyline appeals to a set of people that Finn’s cannot, in a deep-set way. The kid who’s had a teacher call CPS and nothing happened, or the young adult who can’t get a job because they can’t leave the house or drive, or the teenager who doesn’t know how to fight back–they need to see their own story too.

You are missing the point.

Black children are systemically forgotten, systemically disadvantaged, and systemically abused. When people go on about how Kylo should be the hero to represent the forgotten children, they’re forgetting about Black children, they’re forgetting about Finn.

Finn was in an abusive situation too for his entire life. Why does him getting out somehow not count? Why would you think Kylo would have more impact on marginalized, abused kids? That makes no sense to me. ALL of your examples – CPS failure, can’t get a job, can’t fight back – apply to Black kids, and not a lot of people outside the Black community care. Nonblack kids, especially white kids, have many more resources and much more representation. It’s not like there are no damaged/sympathetic white characters out there.

I stand by it. Using marginalized, abused kids as a reason Kylo Ren needs to come out on top is vile. Not least of all because Finn’s story is much more uncommon and would have far more impact on marginalized kids when you consider that Black kids exist.

Could you try reading my post before shooting your mouth off? Like, at all? Because AS I SAID, Finn DOES represent SOME abuse survivors. Just not ALL. I don’t know why the fuck you think that means it ‘doesn’t count’ or ‘not a lot of people outside the Black community care about Black child abuse survivors’, because while I’m sure you have personal reasons to feel that way, Finn is the most celebrated character to come out of that movie, EVEN SURPASSING RAY WHO WAS THE LUKE ANALOGY.

Ben does not negate Finn. Finn does not negate Ben. Neither of them negate Ray. ALL THREE reach out to different survivors, and they are ALL important. I just don’t hold with shitting on one because, to be frank, he’s white.

But like “Ben” wasn’t forgotten? In fact we have Han and Leia still trying to get him back, keeping hope alive that he’s still redeemable? We watch Han give his LIFE trying to get his son back, so calling him forgotten is just factually inaccurate.

Also imagine hearing that a fascist murderer doesn’t represent forgotten children and thinking he’s somehow being shat on, or that he’s a victim of reverse racism lmaooooo

And like, there are seriously fucked up kids out there on the brink of shooting up a school or a church or a movie theater, angry white boys ready to carry out terrorist attacks in the name of their own fucked up sense of self-entitlement. Depressed, disturbed, and dangerous white boys.

How is turning Kylo around and especially giving the girl the task of saving him and loving him back to health helping anything? Future terrorist sees character he used to relate to get the love and status he wants for himself. In the scenario painted by reylos and many other Kylo stans, Kylo becomes healthy and loved – but what path did he take to get there? Kylo is already a killer of Innocents, and look at the sympathy he gets. Now people want him to get respect and get the girl.

Future terrorist is going to see that sad white boys come out on top when they do terrible things, causing people want to understand them and lead them back to the light.

I mean, show us that Kylo is human. I’m all for that. Show us he feels things and bleeds red. People capable of horrendous acts are human – and white people have a tendency to interpret humanity in white mass murderers as “goodness.” That kind of empathy causes more harm than good.

It also redelivers the timeless and toxic trope ,seen in film after film, that a woman’s love can save an irredeemable man. It’s a stereotype that many women have been socialized to believe in the real world, and which keeps them in horrifically abusive relationships because they were raised to believe, socialized to believe in fact, that a woman’s love is all that is required to SAVE a “bad man”. This awful trope is the impetus behind everything from the woobification of problematic white male characters, to why serial killers on death row get love letters, to why people blame mothers when their children go horribly wrong and shoot up a school.

Plus, a lot of the sympathy for Kylo stems out of the belief that he suffers from mental illness. Love doesn’t cure mental illness. In fact, I’d say that was a clear message in TFA – Leia and Han loved their son, but it didn’t save him. 

Love may have saved Vader, but it didn’t cure him. He was more machine than man, and what was left if him was irreparably broken inside. If we’re going to go with the whole trauma-induced mental illness view of Kylo, that can’t be fixed just by having a girl fall in love with him, and its irresponsible to say it can be, fairy story or not. (Certainly, in the real world mental illness – and I do speak from real-world experience – can be managed and happy partnerships are more than possible, I’m not saying otherwise. But love itself isn’t the cure for depression or PTSD or other clinical mental illnesses. That shouldn’t need to be said but yk).

I don’t think stans see it that way, though. They’ll talk about Kylo and mental illness, but really, they don’t see Kylo as a Dylan Klebold (who had parents that loved him, a comfortable middle class life, and a shit ton of internal rage, who made a deliberate choice to kill). They see him as White Zombie (totally racist movie btw), with Snoke as evil voodoo master controlling him as his slave, and when Snoke dies, “Ben” will come out of his trance. 

Unfortunately for those holding on to those white zombie beliefs, they don’t jibe with Rian’s comments about Kylo. 

The white zombie is also BORING. What makes Kylo interesting is that he has internal struggles about his path and makes a choice. Take that away and there’s no substance to the character. He might as well have been a meat puppet all along (which many kylostans more or less think he is).

It’s also just factually wrong that he was controlled and helpless. He works at cross-purposes with Snoke for most of the movie. He’s focused more on getting the location of Skywalker for himself rather than ensuring the Resistance don’t get it, then outright disobeys orders and ignores bb-8 on Takodana. He has his own agenda, as Hux deduced, which directly contradicts the idea that he has no agency or free will.