I don’t think I’ve ever seen an actor as open about supporting a ship before it was canon as Andrew Lincoln lol. But John is getting close. Which is cool, because one of the facets of Andrew’s Richonne support was that he was the one in a position to say something (as a white guy) and it wouldn’t really hurt him or cause the fandom to turn on him completely.
Danai didn’t let on that she supported it until after it became canon. She said they were just friends. Later, of course, we learned that she could see where the script was heading like most of us.
The fandom would have treated her very differently if she’d said the slightest thing about Richonne. With Andrew, anti-Richonners just laughed when Andrew talked about it, like he was making a ridiculous joke.
There was always this assumption that Andrew had gone rogue when he started pushing for Richonne, like an out of control child disobeying his parents, and the producers were unhappy with him. But after the script made Richonne canon, months before the episode would air, Andrew told his mom (the biggest Richonne supporter) and made her sign a confidentiality agreement. His own mom. So it’s probably safe to say he wasn’t breaking any agreements by talking about Richonne before it happened. Mainly because the show itself set the relationship up from the first time they saw each other (her carrying baby formula for the baby fathered by his dead best friend that his wife died giving birth to, who would become their daughter), and built it up gradually over three seasons, and it was all there, so referring their relationship as a building romance wasn’t a spoiler (unlike “They’re finally gonna do it in episode 10!″). Some thought TPTB allowed/encouraged him to talk about it to test the reaction.
I think John knows what Andrew knew – the story was establishing something between them. Does John know for sure that Finnrey is endgame? I don’t think so. I don’t think Andrew knew for sure either, especially when they pulled Rick away from Michonne at one point and teased a relationship with a bland white woman who reminded him of his dead wife before the zombie apocalypse (those were dark times – at least now we can say that the typical, expected pairing isn’t always The One even when fans resist the potential interracial endgame pairing).
I love that Daisy’s excited to be back working with John again. And I don’t think John is confirming anything we don’t already know about Finn and Rey’s relationship by saying he ships it. It’s there. He’s a bigger, more confident star now who is less worried about making every fan happy.
I can’t help but think John and Andrew speaking out to an unusual degree has a lot to do with social racism, which is reflected in fandom. Both Richonne and Finnrey hit the very conventional and recognizable beats of love stories, and if not for the Black-and-white interracial relationship aspect no one would have doubted they were building up to a romance. John even rhetorically asked in one of the interviews what they were going to do with the love already established between Finn and Rey, which smells strongly of lobbying to me–he’s saying, and I agree, that this makes the most sense story-wise.
Your discussion of Rick being separated from Michonne reminds me that another very typical beat for a romance is one or both the partners being “tempted” in some way by another potential partner. This discussion got so long and off-topic I put it in a separate post, but yeah, coupled with fandom being fandom of course anti Finnreys think the temptation is the real thing much as anti Richonners did.
Whether we get canon Finnrey or not I love that we have Finn’s actor–arguably one of the great rising actors of our time–on record saying he wants the relationship to happen and thinks it makes the most story sense. The people who think Finnrey is bad story or that shippers are “deluded” can chew on that.
hey so i just remembered that oscar isaac and domhnall gleeson (poe and hux from star wars!) did a reddit ama from when they were filming ex machina. but i FORGOT HOW FUCKING FUNNY IT IS?
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i honestly snorted until tears were in my eyes seriously
The equation of darkness with evil and light with goodness is a very specifically Christian and Zoroasterian construct that does not exist in East Asian philosophy. I mean, how racist do you have to be to believe that Asians hold the balance of good and evil as a central tenet of our faith and culture? You think we’re amoral fucks like you?
Stop projecting your **edgy** and **kewl** morality on us and using a distortion of our philosophy to validate yourselves. It’s all you, not us, who got it into your head that evil is somehow equal with good or the two have to be in balance. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.
This sounds more like a simple misunderstandment than racism. Calm down.
It’s not racism. It’s just people being dumb and simplifying more complicated concepts. Chill.
The yin-yang symbol in Asian religion is based off harmony. Positive, negative. Without one, the other can’t live. It’s not ‘evil’ or ‘good’. Sometimes good things can happen in negative situations and vise versa. The dots within each side represents how well they work together/how i interchangeable they are, etc. (at least in Confucianism/daoism).
The fact that dumbasses like @kathryntheshippertrash and @duckydiscourse think ignorance and racism are mutually exclusive shows just how much their opinions are worth. (There are a few more of these fools on the thread, but if I took the time to call out every ignoramus and asshole I’d never get anything else done.)
And @opinionated-truscum you just showed you don’t understand at all what “positive” and “negative” are in the yin-yang context. Also “Asian religion” like, singular? Oh my god (or gods. So many gods).
Lmao dude I know what it means im literally majoring in this shit. Y’all need to chill. Thats LITERALLY what it means. Positive/negative, dry/humid, female/male, Yin – earth/moon, Yang – heaven/sun, etc. Yin/Yang is the source of everything in this world. And the dots symbolize though they are opposites, they can’t ever be separated completely. The curve between the Yin/Yang symbol indicates how interchangable/smoothly they work together. Asian Religion in itself prays to literally all deities, for many different cultures, so long as they can bless them with their means, be it Jesus, or the Jade Emperor, or Guen Yen, etc. i was literally walking and in a hurry and misspelt religions by missing one word.
Again, chill.
You’re doing a really bad job of your major, because you literally posited “negative” and “good” as opposites. Also good job with the talking to an Asian person living in Asia what the supposedly monolithic Asian Religion is like.
Then again, why am I not surprised that an “opinionated truscum” is an expert at telling other people what their own reality is?
ETA: You also need to understand the difference between race and culture. It doesn’t mean shit what my race is in this debate, obviously. What does matter are the cultures I’ve been immersed in since birth, but please continue to assume scholarship is a replacement for that.
Negative and positive ARE opposites and if I did write ‘negative’ and ‘good’ as analogies then you are grasping for straws because I did say I was in a hurry, didn’t I? Yin/Yang is not good and evil but it is negative and positive. Yin/yang is literal opposites that coexist together and cannot be separated.
Doesnt matter tho considering you come off as really bitchy, whose gonna take your word for it? You’re 38? Act like it.
I didn’t say negative and positive are not opposites, I said your understanding of what negative and positive mean is drastically wrong in this context. Think more “negative frequency” than “negative life event.” Sort of like electron and positron, not bad and good.
You’re so adorably pressed for someone who has “I’m a fuckin’ asshole” on their header. Can dish it out but can’t take it, I see. Maybe take your own advice and chill 😂
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