A meditation on Exodus and the United States

Tl; dr: The world’s richest failed state is increasingly making its
failure official, an inevitable result of its criminal roots. It’s not just the U.S., though, we all have to start thinking of alternatives.

The news coming out of the U.S. in recent years is sad
and sickening. With the retirement of Justice Kennedy and his inevitable
replacement by a far-right Justice, the damage to American institutions
will persist for decades at least and is likely to be permanent.

It
may seem strange, but on hearing this last piece of news–which was
just a matter of time really, you can only plug the dam with a finger
for so long–my mind went to Exodus. I have heard that when Jewish
people celebrate their ancestors’ emancipation from slavery in Egypt
they also mourn the innocents who suffered in the Ten Plagues that God
brought on Egypt. Many Jewish people have
also questioned why the plagues were necessary at all, an admirable
example of both critical thought and compassion. I can also see
why God spent half his time being annoyed with y’all he freed you from
slavery and here you are nitpicking his methods

I
personally think, though, that it wasn’t God’s choice to bring the
plagues. If we read God as a personification of universal forces, and
that’s how I understand these stories as an atheist, the plagues were just the
inevitable results of slavery and genocide. God no more brought the
plagues than “Mother Earth” is “avenging herself” against humanity with
global warming and the depletion of natural resources. These are
symbolic ways to describe physical forces at work, except with Exodus we
are talking about moral physics, or karma as they say in Buddhism.

In
this view, God hardened the Pharaoh’s heart and brought the plagues
similarly to how thermodynamics are warming the planet: The rules are
simply there, unbreakable and unnegotiable, and the cause is the actions
of humanity.

Take the precipitating cause of the plagues, the hardening
of the Pharaoh’s heart against letting the enslaved Hebrew people go.
Such refusal is a nearly inevitable reaction to institutionalized and
profitable slavery, both because freeing the slaves will cause
catastrophic economic loss and because an enormous amount of
justification and dehumanization are required to make slavery socially
and psychologically tolerable.

From the Pharaoh’s
stubbornness, itself a consequence of slavery, came the other disasters,
the frogs, the locusts and the rest, culminating in a direct callback
to the Egyptians’ own crimes of infanticide against the Hebrews–the
deaths of their firstborn, from which the Hebrew people were given the
ability to save themselves. The story of Exodus has a happy-ish ending with
the enslaved people leaving their captivity and setting out for the
Promised Land, though the subsequent events are much more complicated. I
like how these books don’t stint on the brutality that entailed the
fairy-tale promise of the land of milk and honey; the Hebrews were not
saved because they were inherently good, rather they were a people like
any other just as capable of cruelty and hypocrisy once they had enough
power. But that is a discussion for another time.

So what does
this have to do with the United States? It’s essentially the same story
as the Plagues because you can’t grow a just and well-functioning state
from the roots of slavery and genocide any more than you can get
wholesome fruit from a poisoned tree.

What’s more, unlike the
link between the enslavement of Hebrews and, say, a swarm of locusts,
there are direct and observable links between America’s policy of
genocide and enslavement and its  failures as a country. The vast tracts
of land stolen for Native Americans required an equally vast workforce
to make profitable, and slavery was allowed to fill that gap. The
accommodation of the slave-owning states with its large numbers of
enslaved Africans is the root of much of the distortions in U.S.
politics today, including the shameful vestiges of slavery in the text of the U.S.
Constitution and, more saliently, the electoral college, which is how
Donald Trump could be President of the United States and why
conservative rural states have a disproportionate effect in national
elections.

This is to say nothing of the gross social and
economic injustices that persist long after legal chattel slavery is
gone, the white supremacy that split the working class along racial
lines and weakened them as a political force, the fact that states with
large Black populations are  more reluctant to extend the benefits of health insurance to the population, the
crisis of mass incarceration that drains the nation of its human and
public resources for the bottom line of private prisons, the war on
drugs that has pitted police against the communities they are pledged to
protect, the changing of the electoral map in response to the passage
of the Civil Rights Act, blatant gerrymandering to corral and limit the
political effectiveness disfavored populations, voter suppression against
targeted communities, the wholesale abduction of children from their
parents, the list goes on.

The brutality, the enslavement, the genocide never
stopped. They have come back to become plagues on the general American
public, and they have been hurting and will continue to hurt the already
exploited and wronged populations the worst. Even God, should he
exist and should he wish to, cannot stop an unjust system from crumbling
in on itself and taking the guilty and innocent alike with it. Voting for one party over another may slow the decline but cannot shore up a rotten foundation.

I have focused on the United States but the system of exploitation backed by state violence is a global one, and no one alive is free of it. We are paying and will continue to pay in the form of a degrading environment, more unequal societies, and the increasing inability to correct these ills through nonviolent electoral politics.

Physical removal of exploited minorities cannot be a solution this time, even a “voluntary” departure as when the Hebrews left Egypt in Exodus. And just how voluntary is it to leave when your alternatives are slavery and death? The ending of Exodus was bittersweet at best, and the sequels were increasingly violent with the Hebrews, ethnically cleansed out of Egypt, slaughtering and displacing other groups in order to survive.

No, we must all walk away together from the rotting empire or not at all. We must imagine different ways of life and live them. No one serious can pretend this will be an easy process. Our lives will change, our most deeply-held values may have to change, and many of us will die in the process. Chances are we will not muster the necessary willpower until the plagues have run their devastating course–and perhaps not even then. I don’t know if there is a way out or if the cure will be worse than the disease, as in the case of Soviet-style Communism. But we do have to look and look hard, because the state of affairs in the United States should be a warning to the world.

It really costs $0.00 to be kind. I spent much of this morning cleaning up after a new employee’s mistakes while another deadline was looming behind me. I had to apologize to four different people. I was extremely irritated, to say the least, and I really wanted to lash out at the employee, ask her how she could be so stupid and didn’t she comprehend my instructions, what was she thinking, why was she wasting my and some very important people’s time. And so on.

Instead I calmed the hell down. I’d been on the receiving end of that tirade many times and I hated it. Yes I was impatient and angry, and yes she could have done better, but she was new to the job and I could have explained things better to her. I figured I could be a raging jerk and get the satisfaction of my own self-righteousness, or I could actually focus on the work and bring her up to speed in a constructive way while starting our relationship on the right foot.

So instead of yelling at her I worked with her. After the immediate damage control I told her where she had gone wrong, but also told her where I had gone wrong. I hadn’t thoroughly explained some of the complex details, and I had simply assumed knowledge on some things because I was so used to them. She apologized for her mistake, and I apologized for not being clearer. We went over the difficult parts again, I gave a clear guideline on things like email etiquette, and she asked questions which I answered. At the end of it she thanked me for being so patient, and I sympathized with how hard it must when everything was so new. I told her that starting something new was always hard but that she would learn and I was confident in her.

I don’t know if this method is more effective than the one I’m used to, which is to be yelled at and be told everything is my fault. I think the way I’m doing it could be effective, because I know that I tend to do better in situations where I’m encouraged rather than berated and feel safe to learn and ask questions. It certainly does not help my job performance when a boss’s shouts are ringing in my ears and I question my ability to improve and do my job, or even whether I’m worth anything at all. Science backs me up that positive reinforcement works better than negative reinforcement, too, so I’m fairly confident this way can be more effective.

You know what, though? I don’t care. There shouldn’t have to be an efficiency-based justification to treat someone with courtesy and respect, especially when they are under my power and made an honest mistake with no disrespect or malice to anyone. What gives me the right to indulge in my supposed superiority at the expense of someone else’s self-worth, especially when that person can’t argue back without risking her income? I’ll call out and argue with anyone if I think they’re wrong, and I did make it clear to this employee that she made a mistake and should do better. That doesn’t mean I’m going to make her listen to me insult and berate her. I have power over her the way I don’t over random strangers I meet on the internet, and it is my duty to be careful with that dynamic.

This is one of the ways I’m trying, little by little, to be the adult I wanted in my own life. Sometimes I’m lost because I didn’t have many people model this behavior for me, but I know I am in full charge of my own responses. No one can make me into someone I don’t want to be, and I can shape who I am through my choices. That makes me feel more powerful than any amount of ability to make people fear me or hate themselves.

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The Three Stages of Supreme Leader Kylo Ren by DarthPyro58

What if the rumor is true, and Kylo Ren is not only the primary villain of EpIX, but is also bald (as he was originally in EpVIII before RJ switched gears) and starting to resemble Snoke? I don’t trust leaks, but leaks about appearance tend to be more accurate than leaks about the plot (Like, who thought that Snoke wearing a gold robe was actually true when it leaked?). (As for Finn, he’s described as resembling “a gunslinger with two blaster pistols” – believable enough. He always was a great shot).

Some fans are saying that “Baldo Ren” is far too big of a risk for LF, that they need to keep him attractive for the women or face backlash. First of all, gtfo with the “women watch Star Wars for the hot guy” bs, I mean, really? Even if we frame it as empowerment that women can ogle men and not just the other way around, Finn and Poe are right there.

JJ liked TLJ, and TLJ set up Kylo as Supreme Leader, with Rey, Finn and Poe as the future of the “light,” of freedom from oppression and defiance of a return to old ways we should never to return to.

Is keeping Kylo “hot” really the important thing here? 

But then, I thought Kylo’s appearance under the mask was meant to juxtapose the fact that he’s an evil man – the most dangerous evil has an attractive face, we really should understand that in a time when hate groups intentionally present as clean-cut, “respectable” boys next door. 

Now that Kylo has crossed the line by killing Han and Snoke and becoming Supreme Leader, is it really so unfathomable that his outside will start catching up to his inside?

this is better than anything I’ve seen in years about Kylo

I’m not writing the story of Star Wars.

Adam Driver is fine with or without hair.
But I have a thought about this idea.
A story with Kylo Ren who becomes like Vader, without hair like Vader, bad like
Vader, without light like Vader.

I don’t know about you, but I’ve already seen this story!

 Vader has already been there and died for his son’s love.

If they want to make a different story.
Vader’s nephew must choose love and not power. 

And I’m not talking about romantic love…. 
Romantic love helps, but…

If we want to see a different story.
The story told in the galaxies.
The history of a galaxy so far away.
It can be like the Skywalker family, the family that could have all power in
their hands, saved the universe and chose love.

This is the missing story I’m waiting for…

What do you think about ? 

(ps. sorry my english) 

@sourdoughserenity

Kylo has already chosen power over love repeatedly.

Here’s the difference, and why Kylo Ren is not just a rehash of Darth Vader: Vader had little power in the scheme of things. The Emperor put him in a life support suit and had him do his bidding, so not to waste that Sith energy. Vader came from nothing, was told he was the chosen one, was taken from his mother, and he eventually fell out of fear for his family.

The contrast is clear: Anakin’s fall began when his beloved mother died, triggering grief and rage. Kylo tried to force the same end by killing his father with his own hand. Completely different, and it shows that Kylo is more dangerous, because he wants it so badly, not even realizing that his grandfather lost everything and essentially became enslaved again, by the Emperor and his life support suit, when he fell to the Sith.

Kylo Ren is a fraud in comparison. There’s no Sith. It’s all him consciously striving to be a “dark lord.” Snoke could not control him (this should be undeniable fact at this point). It’s all him, no dark forces compelling him and keeping him in its service. What’s scary is the he COULD choose not to commit evil, since there was no true fall to the Sith, but he doesn’t.

It’s actually a very different and compelling story compared to the villain “choose love” scenario. And, of course, the ST DOES have a “choose love” theme that is meaningful without being all about Kylo.

Vader? They’re going for a Darth Sidious post-RotS look if that art is anywhere close.

This’d fall nicely into line with a character who’s shown to want only power. In fact of all the Star Wars character on OT and PT, Sidious is the one Kylo resembles the most.

As @lj-writes and I have spoken off elsewhere, Finn, Rey and Kylo is a replay of the dynamics between Padmé, Anakin and Palpatine. With Finn and Padmé, Rey as Anakin and Kylo as Palpatine/Sidious.

Yes, if the prior two movies made anything clear it’s that there is no Vader in the sequel trilogy. Vader is who Rey could have been if she had not withstood Kylo’s manipulation, and could yet be if Kylo decides third time’s the charm and uses more effective leverage (it’s Finn, you fool). Kylo himself is no Vader, however. He is a wannabe Vader who wants the mystique and the power surrounding him. Vader’s drive was not power, though, but love and the loss of it. Power was just something he was born with, a curse he tried to leverage to get what he truly wanted, which was to protect Padmé. It was Palpatine, Vader’s abuser and master, who wanted power.

CW discussions of Nazis and neo-Nazis below.

This is another reason Kylo is a neo-Nazi analogue rather than a Nazi analogue. The Nazis at least emulated the German Empire, which was all kinds of evil but had actual achievements as a state like the unification of Germany and the creation of the modern German state. The neo-Nazis on the other hand looked at the Nazis’ lost war that devastated Europe, the gruesome industrialized genocide, and decided that’s what they wanted to be. Kylo similarly looked at the Galactic Empire’s genocide of his mother’s people, Vader’s mass murder of children and the torture of both Han and Leia, and decided that was what he wanted. Neo-Nazis are malcontent assholes who think throwing out repugnant keywords and gestures make them Nazis as opposed to the brutal efficiency of the German state machine the Nazis inherited from the German Empire. Similarly, Kylo Ren is such a try-hard poseur that he wore a mask he never needed and artificially created bereavement for himself, copying Vader’s trappings without the faintest idea of what Vader stood for or what made the man tick. Kylo Ren, like all neo-Nazis, is a cosplayer gone horribly wrong.

The fact that they’re laughable fakes doesn’t make neo-Nazis or Kylo any less dangerous, obviously. In fact it makes them more dangerous because their starting point was not to emulate greatness but to emulate evil. The Galactic Empire and the Nazis alike should have served as warnings, but instead they inspired copycats in the worst people.

Kylo Ren is no heir to the Skywalker legacy, not even Darth Vader’s. He is the heir to Palpatine. It’s up to Rey, Finn, and Poe to reclaim the Skywalker legacy, including the shadow and warning of Vader’s choices, and defeat fascism as Luke, Leia, Han, and Anakin did before them. That’s what makes it the Skywalker Saga, because it interrogates the true meaning of what it means to be a Skywalker. Is it blood or is it the choices people make? To make Kylo out to be the hero because of blood while disregarding the choices he has made would be to reaffirm the very blood supremacy Kylo Ren and his repulsive real-life counterparts espouse.

Hello, yes uhh.. quick question for Christian and Jewish people…

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keshetchai:

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keshetchai:

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I’m re-watching the Prince of Egypt, and the whole God saying “totally, just kill a lamb and paint your door with it’s blood so I know not to kill your first born children” really strikes me as a ruthless Pagan God move…

So my question is… What the fuck?

Some secondary and follow up questions? are:

God sent plagues, but that feels like a lot more work than just saying “Hebrews grab your shit, revolt, and leave, you easily out number the Egyptians.”

God appeared to Moses as a burning bush… Why not something idk, more obviously god-like? He has ultimate power and chose to look like flaming shrubbery.

This story is so weird, because you could change the names of the people and places, then tell me it’s a fantasy story about some Pagan God that wants to deliver his worshippers out of bondage.

But also fuck everyone else who’s having a rough time? He doesn’t care about delivering anyone else, including future enslaved races? Just the Hebrews… That one time… :/ Dude sounds like some choosy guy who has to use a surrogate… Must not have ultimate power if he can’t come down from his high throne and do it himself??

If someone can give me a real solid answer as to why God sounds just exactly like some Pagan Gods (with the lambs blood, water into blood, plagues and shit) then I will shut the fuck up. Until then, imma be questioning this :/ :/ :/

So these kinds of questions are always amusing from the Jewish perspective, because well…we talk about this all the time. Why bother killing the first borns? Dayenu. (It would have been enough to just let us go free.) 

But basically, you’re approaching this from a heavily christian-normative atheist perspective. I don’t think asking Xtians about this story will help, because this is the most fundamentally Jewish story to be tackling. 

Here goes:

“totally, just kill a lamb and paint your door with it’s blood so I know not to kill your first born children” really strikes me as a ruthless Pagan God move…

Animal sacrifice absolutely exists in the Torah and during the first and second temple periods. The fact that Judaism explicitly bans all human sacrifice is seen as (in historical context) a huge step away from pagan ritual sacrifice. Many scholars believe the shift to animal sacrifice in general is reflective of understanding man’s more primal urges, and redirecting it away from murder or human sacrifice. 

At any rate, the sacrifice of the lamb and painting of the lintel with lamb’s blood could have any number of possible parallels or reasonings. 

It’s worth noting that sacrificing a lamb would be considered to be inappropriate by the Egyptians, which is mentioned right there in the text of Exodus. (I assume you didn’t read it):

(Chapter 8)
21
 Thereupon, Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron, and he said, “Go, sacrifice to your God in the land.”
22 But Moses said, “It is improper to do that, for we will sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians to God our Lord. Will we sacrifice the deity of the Egyptians before their eyes, and they will not stone us?
23 Let us go [for] a three day journey in the desert and sacrifice to the Lord, our God, as He will say to us.”
24 Pharaoh said, “I will let you go out, and you will sacrifice to the Lord, your God, in the desert, but do not go far away; entreat [Him] on my behalf.”

The Egyptians had Sheep/Ram headed Gods, so it’s not surprising that sacrificing a lamb for God would indicate that the Jewish people are truly not Egyptians, especially if an Egyptian might be inclined to stone someone for doing this. 

The choice of sacrificing a sheep might very well be completely intentional as an affront against Egyptian oppressors. We have corroboration historically about the importance of rams and sheep in Egypt:

Herodotus, in his survey of Egyptian customs, writes (Histories, 2:42):

Now all who have a temple set up to the Theban Zeus (=Amun) or who are of the district of Thebes, these, I say, all sacrifice goats and abstain from sheep… the Egyptians make the image of Zeus (=Amun) into the face of a ram… the Thebans then do not sacrifice rams but hold them sacred for this reason.

So this isn’t just a random “pagan” act, this is a group of people intentionally sacrificing an animal held sacred as representative of a pagan god, because that is what God requires and asks for. The Egyptians would never sacrifice a sheep, if the sheep represents some of their deities – but the Hebrews, who do not worship pagan gods, most certainly would. 

If you read chapter 9, you will also see Pharaoh try and command that the Hebrews should leave behind their sheep and cattle (in part to prevent their sacrifice) – which they refuse to do. 

The “sacrifice” of the lamb fulfills a few different purposes:

  1.  it is considered sacrilegious by the Egyptians, thus setting them apart from the pagans (and symbolically showing a willingness to destroy pagan gods)
  2. the lamb is meant to be cooked and prepared so that the families can eat it. It’s a meal to be prepared in light of the fact that they’re preparing to flee. 
  3. Torah also tells us the blood is a sign for the Hebrews, and not the Egyptians. The blood is actually marked on the inside of the door (as per Rashi’s commentary on the Hebrew), and therefore the only people who can see the blood would be God (who is able to see all) and the Hebrews from inside their homes. It looks more impressive to do it the other way when you animate it, though. 

The verse shows us this: 

And the blood will be for you for a sign upon the houses where you will be, and I will see the blood and skip over you, and there will be no plague to destroy [you] when I smite the [people of the] land of Egypt.

Rashi explains: And the blood will be for you for a sign: [The blood will be] for you a sign but not a sign for others. From here, it is derived that they put the blood only on the inside. — [from Mechilta 11]

and I will see the blood: [In fact,] everything is revealed to Him. [Why then does the Torah mention that God will see the blood?] Rather, the Holy One, blessed be He, said, “I will focus My attention to see that you are engaged in My commandments, and I will skip over you.” -[from Mechilta]

Your other questions are also interesting: 

God sent plagues, but that feels like a lot more work than just saying “Hebrews grab your shit, revolt, and leave, you easily out number the Egyptians.”

Well, again, have you read a haggadah? We uh, talk about this once a year. If God had let us flee Egypt and not bothered with punishing our oppressors – that would have been enough! 

 Ilu hotzianu mimitzrayim, v’lo asah bahem sh’fatim, dayenu!

So like, in general, you can’t attend a passover seder without questioning…why God bothered with the plagues. 

God appeared to Moses as a burning bush… Why not something idk, more obviously god-like? He has ultimate power and chose to look like flaming shrubbery.

A bush that is on fire but does not get burnt is pretty impressive. But again, I guess you haven’t actually read exodus, because it’s not just a burning bush:

An angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from within the thorn bush, and behold, the thorn bush was burning with fire, but the thorn bush was not being consumed.

So Moses said, “Let me turn now and see this great spectacle why does the thorn bush not burn up?”

An angel appears in the fire, the thorn bush is on fire, but does not burn. Then God appears. But eh, maybe that isn’t as wild as you want it to be, so the following exchange between Moses and God is a bit more…miraculous. First God turns Moses’ staff and turns it into a serpent, and back into a staff. This is the first sign Moses can use to prove that God is here. And then… 

And the Lord said further to him, “Now put your hand into your bosom,” and he put his hand into his bosom, and he took it out, and behold, his hand was leprous like snow.

And He said, “Put your hand back into your bosom,” and he put his hand back into his bosom, and [when] he took it out of his bosom, it had become again like [the rest of] his flesh.

…you might want to picture it a little bit like this:

– You best start believing in holy stories, Moshe. – you’re in one. 

But again, you don’t need to believe in this literally or accept it as literal. But I think it’s a bit silly to say it’s not “miraculous” enough or something. 

This story is so weird, because you could change the names of the people and places, then tell me it’s a fantasy story about some Pagan God that wants to deliver his worshippers out of bondage.

Except you couldn’t, which is why it’s a story about the Jewish monotheistic God. If you swapped out the name of God and the people, it would still be a monotheistic story. 

You could take “In order that they believe that the Lord, the God of their forefathers, has appeared to you, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.“ 

and instead say “the King, the Ancient One of their forefathers, has appeared to you, the God of Maharba, the God of Caasi, and the God of Bocaj,” but you’re still fundamentally naming a monotheistic deity. 

But also fuck everyone else who’s having a rough time? He doesn’t care about delivering anyone else,

Again, this isn’t true, and even PoE illustrates this! Watch it again, and you’ll notice Egyptians dropping their weapons and walking alongside the Hebrews, even crossing the sea! and why else would God give commandments before the Hebrews cross the sea about what to do with the converts and strangers living among them?

Exodus 12:37-38:

The children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot, the men, besides the young children.
And also, a great mixed multitude went up with them, and flocks and cattle, very much livestock.

These are the others, fleeing with the Hebrews. Anyone who wanted to flee was able to do so, and join the Israelites. 

including future enslaved races? Just the Hebrews… That one time… :/

Well there’s a few ways to look at this. But I don’t believe this is an issue of “just this one time.” 

1.) the issue of the Jewish people being enslaved and kept from Israel is an issue because if the Jewish people fulfill their end of the covenant (contract) then God should also fulfill their promises. An exodus from slavery in Egypt had to occur for the return to Israel to happen. The covenant is a contract. God is making good on their end of that contract with the exodus. 

So here, God intervenes lest they fail to uphold a contract. 

2.) But also, ultimately, Judaism promotes the idea that in times of distress mankind should act as if there is no God, and do the right thing. We take action because it is up to us to take that action. It was ultimately up to the Israelites to leave Egypt, even if God made it seem more possible to do so. It was up to the Israelites to pack their things and prepare their rations and even up to them to bravely step forwards into the sea and keep going, even though it took time for the waters to part. (Some say the waters did not part until the Israelites were so far into the water that it would have drowned them.) 

So have other people been liberated from slavery? Absolutely. You have two choices – you can say it was because of “God” or you can say it was because of the hard work of abolitionists and slave uprisings. It’s not a mystery why the African American community references Exodus so heavily in gospel music – Jewish freedom is a template for all freedom (and anyways, there are also black Jews!). So did God free black slaves, or did black men and women and abolitionist allies work tirelessly for that freedom? Couldn’t it be both? Shouldn’t we say, be capable of going “If God freed us then, then now our lives should be also dedicated to freeing everyone else?” Why would you assume mankind is free from the work of liberation? It is our job to work for freedom on behalf of others, not to just sit on our ass and expect God to do the work. 

Again, no surprise that Jewish Americans were involved in abolitionism throughout the world and heavily involved in the US civil rights movements. 

Dude sounds like some choosy guy who has to use a surrogate… Must not have ultimate power if he can’t come down from his high throne and do it himself??

…Choosy, absolutely. Not having ultimate power is endlessly debatable. One way or another, it happened, and certainly God sent down the forces to do so in Exodus. But also, uh, you realize a lot of this was a learning and teaching process, right?

If someone can give me a real solid answer as to why God sounds just exactly like some Pagan Gods (with the lambs blood, water into blood, plagues and shit) then I will shut the fuck up. Until then, imma be questioning this :/ :/ :/

Like I said, lamb’s blood is in direct contrast/opposition to local Pagan worship.

The Nile running red with blood is actually deeply symbolic – recall that in the beginning of the Exodus story, the first born Hebrew sons are being thrown into the Nile River. So what God is doing is illustrating the fact that the Nile was filled with the blood of the Hebrew people – specifically their firstborn sons – and this is the blood which Pharaoh was responsible for shedding. It’s similar to Macbeth, when Lady Macbeth hallucinates blood on her hands after her murderous act. Except here, the entire Nile turns to blood, haunting Pharaoh with the blood of the slaves his father had murdered. Talk about facing the reality of your actions. This is where the blood comes from. 

Either way, none of these things make God more or less pagan? The issue of paganism is not how a God acts or behaves, but whether or not there are other Gods. Like that’s literally it. Hope that helped? Lmao. These questions aren’t that weird. 

Shoot son, you sure rose to that challenge!
Ngl, you schooled me. Historical context was missing in the movie, so you’ll have to give me that one. The rest of that I never fucking learned in years of Sunday school, (and these kind of questions weren’t encouraged.) Thank you, @keshetchai I’ve learned a lot today!
Forgive me that I remain skeptical, it still boils down to having faith or not having faith; this isn’t a reflection of you though and thank you again for such a thorough answer 🙂

no problem! This is a big example of the massive differences between Judaism and xtianity as a whole. A lot of the questions you touched upon are built in to the passover seder, and are encouraged. We ask exactly a lot of these things! 

There’s also a part of the seder where we discuss the four questions (why is this night different from all other nights?) and then we discuss the Four Children, each child covering a different attitude towards the story. To paraphrase: 

The Wise Child asks: What does this all mean? What are the laws we are commanded, the customs and traditions we uphold? 

The Wicked Child*** asks: What does this mean to you? [Why do you even bother with all this?]  ***wicked isn’t like, “evil” it’s more like “challenging.” or “isolated” from the community by distancing themselves. 

The Simple Child asks: What is it that we’re doing? What’s the seder about?

The Child Who Does Not Know How to Ask doesn’t ask a question at all, and instead can be prompted into thinking of questions to ask, being helped to understand things, or may just be too young to formulate the question– and yet we still must include them. 

Each “type” of question is meant to be met with an answer. So asking these questions might be discouraged in xtianity, but is part of the Jewish tradition. 

It’s okay if you don’t believe everything, or don’t take it literally. Honestly, that isn’t why I answered your questions – I’m not concerned about convincing you of the truth or literalism of the story. I just think it’s fair to want honest answers to interesting questions. Personally, whether or not it happened literally isn’t really a big deal for me, or even where i derive meaning when hearing the story. Faith means something different in Judaism than it does in xtianity, so I don’t have any kind of investment in trying to convince you to “just believe” because someone said so. 

if you don’t want to believe in parts or all of it, it’s no skin off my nose. Frankly, I’m way more concerned with impressing the idea that “slavery is bad and we as people are obligated to help in the liberation of others.” 🙂 the times when these questions become an issue are when gentiles present the questions as if Jewish people are stupid/backwards/barbaric/etc. That would be an issue, but asking “what the hell was going on there??” earnestly isn’t. 

Reblogging because:

(a) this is an excellent and thoughtful discussion of various theological issues;

(b) I really appreciate people doing what @keshetchai does here, giving questions serious, thorough, and kind answers;

© I also really respect people like @straighouttaeldamar being willing to go from the challenging tone of the first post to “wow, okay, that is an interesting thing and I’ve learned something”;

(d) this is just a super sweet exchange all round; and

(e) I learned things from it! (I did not realize about the blood being on the inside of the doors, or about other Egyptians joining the Israelites in their flight.)

DO IT NOW: Guide to Proper Bra Fit and Measuring because Victoria Secret and La Senza and whatever are full of shit and you are definitely wearing the wrong size ok? ok

sameatschildren:

Hi guys I’m obsessed with this shit lately because I don’t want anyone to have unhappy, unsupported boobs like I did. Even if you think your boobs and bras are fine, try it. It will make a big difference in comfort, support, and shape, even if you have small boobs or big boobs. A proper fitting bra can fix back, shoulder, and neck pain, along with breast soreness – and it can help you look 10lbs lighter, and your breasts a hell of a lot perkier. This guide also works for proper-sized bikinis and bathing suits (many online stores linked to below sell both- sometimes for as low as 10$!)

Don’t just like this, REBLOG IT. EVERYBODY WITH BOOBS DESERVES A PROPER FIT. Even if you don’t wear bras yourself, spread it around to tumblr or with your friends or family.

Grab a soft tape measurer (use inches) and get nekkid – don’t wear a bra or shirt please, you don’t wear a bra or shirt underneath your bra, do you? This part is fast and easy, and will help you find your ‘Starting Point’ bra size – you may not end up in this exact size, but it will get you in the right ballpark.

How to Measure:

  • Measure your underbust – go right underneath the root of your breasts, but make sure the tape is straight/parallel to the floor. Take a firm, snug measurement – if you have chub, take it tighter.
  • Measure your bust bent over – bend forward so your back is parallel to the  floor and your boobs are hanging so you have access to all that beautiful breast tissue that is now brought forward. Measure very loosely around the nipples, keeping tape straight/horizontal/perpendicular to the floor.
  • If your breasts are kind of empty and/or have a lot of sag, this method may overestimate your cup size. Instead, take your bust measurement bent over, standing, and lying flat on your back, and take an average of those three measurements and use that for your calculations.

How to Use These Measurements to find your ‘Starting Size’:

  • Round up your underbust measurement to the nearest even number. If you are only half an inch or less away from being a lower size, use that instead (unless you have a bony ribcage). This is automatically your band size. No BS. There is no adding imaginary inches here.
  • The difference between your underbust measurement and your bust measurement dictates your cup size. Every 1 inch in difference represents a cup size, so 1 inch = A, 2 = B, 3 = C, 4 = D. As you can see here, a true D or DD cup is actually pretty fucking small. 
  • CUP SIZES ARE NOT STANDARD, UNLIKE COMMONLY THOUGHT (AND TOLD TO US BY ASSHOLES LIKE VS). They are TOTALLY relative to band size. The cup on a 30D has 4 inches less volume than the cup on a 34D. A 30D is actually the same cup size as a 34B! 
  • No one has their shit together on the lettering for each cup size, so here’s a handy dandy chart. Remember to go with UK measurement as they somewhat have their shit together (and because American companies do not make much above DD, so there’s literally no point in knowing it, but the European sizing may come in handy)
  • I DON’T CARE IF YOU LIVE IN THE USA, DO NOT USE THE AMERICAN MEASUREMENTS, FFS. YOU’LL ONLY MAKE THINGS HARDER AND MORE CONFUSING FOR YOURSELF. ANY BOUTIQUE IN NORTH AMERICA WORTH GOING TO, AND 99% OF ONLINE STORES, IS GOING TO SELL PRIMARILY BRITISH OR EUROPEAN BRANDS AND WILL GO BY THEIR SIZING. THERE IS LITERALLY NO POINT IN KNOWING AMERICAN SIZING
  • DO NOT USE AMERICAN SIZING
  • DO NOT USE AMERICAN FUCKING SIZING
  • EVEN IF YOU ARE AMERICAN
  • AND LIVE IN THE US
  • USE THE BRITISH SIZING

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  • For example, I have a 29.5 inch underbust and a 38 inch bust when bent over. So, I should take a 30 band and then there’s an 8 inch difference. So I am a 30FF in UK sizing. This is just my starting point when looking for bras, and I may not always end up with this exact size
  • Do not pull the ‘omg no I’m not a G cup my boobs aren’t that big you’re more stupid that the idea of vegetable bread’ shit with me ok? You drank the Kool-Aid and now you need to piss it out. CUP SIZES ARE NOT STANDARD. A 34D IS BIGGER IN THE CUPS THAN A 30E. Here, take a look at a chart of cup volumes and see what I mean.
  • Also… not all ‘big cup’ bras are ugly and granny-like. Just check out brands like Freya or Gossard or Gorteks or Panache or Cleo! They are gorgeous!

Trying it on: What a proper fit is like

thatbradoesnotfither:    Here is an excellent graphic showing how a bra should fit! If your shoulders hurt at the end of the day, or you find yourself constantly re-adjusting your bra, it might be a good idea to re-evalute your bra size and find a bra that’s good enough to support your awesome boobs. (It’s the bra’s fault—not yours!)    If your bra does not meet all this criteria you need to measure yourself PROPERLY ok, Victoria’s Secret does not count at all  chances are you are not a 34-38 B-C ladies

  • ALWAYS SCOOP AND SWOOP BEFORE ASSESSING WHETHER IT FITS OR NOT. What does this mean? This means bend over, hike up your bra so that it sits right under the root of your breasts. Then, start smooshing all your back fat and armpit rolls or any loose tissue thats underneath or to the side of the cup, INTO the cup. All that stuff is breast tissue that got pushed around from your shitty bras, no I am not bullshitting – after a few months of wearing better bras, many people end up having to get a bigger cup and sometimes even a smaller band too, as all the smooshed breast tissue migrates back to the boob, where it should be. Not kidding. So get everything in there and make sure the wire is positioned perfectly under your boobs. Then stand up and assess the fit. If it seemed to fit before scooping, it won’t fit now.
  • THIS IS JUST A STARTING POINT. Try on your starting size and work from there. You may need to go up or down a band size, or up or down many cup sizes. Not all brands or even models in that brand are made the same way, and the shape of your boobs also helps determine the size and fit, so don’t try on JUST the size you calculated, say “it doesn’t fit”, and then give up and go back to your 36Cs. You aren’t doing yourself any favours. If you don’t feel comfortable in your ‘starting point size’, go ahead and try a size up or down in bands and/or a size or two or even three up or down in cups as needed.
  • ALWAYS start on the loosest hook. If you need to start on the tightest hook, go down a band size. The point of hooks is simple – as your bra gets used, it gradually loses its elasticity and gets loose. So, you use your hooks to bring it in, and when you reach the last hook, well, be prepared to get rid of your bra in a few months (unless you invest in a band tightener like the Rixie Clip)
  • A proper fit means the bra band is straight and parallel to the floor. If it isn’t, and seems to be getting pulled up, its too big and isn’t supporting you. Get a smaller band. You shouldn’t be able to stretch it more than a couple inches off your back. It may feel tight at first, but bras do need ‘breaking in’ and you are used to wearing things that do not fit correctly, so give it a chance. Of course, it should not hurt either!
  • A proper fit means your bra straps are not digging in. 
  • A proper fit means the gore (the little centerpiece of the bra where the wires sort of meet) MUST tack/sit firmly against your chest. If it doesn’t, then the wires are not truly fully underneath your boobs and so are not giving you the proper support. 
  • A proper fit means your boobs must fit smoothly into the entire cup (after scooping and swooping). The wire should totally encase all your breast tissue (this includes armpit fat and stuff). There should be no empty space at the bottom or top of the cup. Your boobs should not be overflowing from the top of the cup. If there’s overflowing or uncontained tissue after scooping, or of it feels tight, get a bigger cup.
  • A proper fit means you should be able to lift your arms over your head and jump around without the band or underwire budging or exposing underboob.

Size Tweaks/Troubleshooting (make sure you scoop and swoop first):

  • The band feels tight: Is the gore tacking or not? If not, go up a cup size or two (or maybe even three or four). Even if the gore is tacking, try this first. The band may be tight because the cups are too small, so your boobs are stretching the band out too much to overcompensate for lack of cup depth, making it feel tighter. If after trying larger cups, it still feels uncomfortably tight, go up a band size (and down a cup size if the first size fit well in the cups – remember, cup is relative to band, a 32DD is the same in the cups as a 34D). Remember though that it takes a few days to break a bra in, so it may feel tight or perfect at first, and then comfortable or too loose later.
  • The band feels loose/band is riding up and not remaining parallel to the floor: Go down a band size (and up a cup size or two because blablah relativity). 
  • The gore is not tacking, but band is not tight: Band size is too big, or maybe fits just right – but the cups are too small. You know what to do.
  • Boobs spilling over: Go up a cup size. Check first though that the bottom of the cup is not empty, and hike it up if it is!
  • Empty space at bottom of cup: Hike that shit up so it gets right to the roots of your breasts. This may fix bulging/spillage. If you can’t get it higher, then you need a smaller cup or this make of bra is just not suited to your shape.
  • Empty space at top of cup: You need a smaller cup, or this shape of bra just does not suit you your breasts, especially if your breasts are not very full on top. Or you need to scoop and swoop!
  • Straps digging in: Loosen them. If your boobs suddenly sag, then the band is not supportive enough, and you need a tighter band.
  • Armpit rolls: Bigger cup and/or scoop and swoop that shit. The cut of bra may also just not be for you (for now anyway – your armpit rolls may migrate back into the boobs and disappear eventually!)
  • They don’t even make my size!!: If you’re in a 28-48 D-KK (UK sizing) cup, you will find your size online easily enough. however, if you have a smaller band than that or need smaller cups, they are hard to find – message me and I’ll try to help you with a solution!
  • So, for example, my starting size may be 30FF, but I may end up wearing a 28G or H if the band of that model is too loose and the gore not tacking. Or the band may be fine and I may need a bigger cup so I’ll get a 30G. Or The band may be good but the cups too big, so I’ll get a 30F or E. Or the band may be too small to be comfortable and I’ll wear a 32F or E (same cupsize-ish as 30FF!). 

 What Not to Do:

  • NEVER PUT YOUR BRA IN THE DRYER. AND PREFERABLY, WASH IT BY HAND. The heat and twisting ruins the elasticity of the bra and reduces its life! This is the best way to ruin bras, don’t do it.
  • Do not add 3 or 4 or 5 inches or whatever to your band measurement. That is BS that American companies use so that they don’t have to manufacture a larger range of sizes – they use it to fit you into their stock, not their stock onto you. The band will be too big and unsupportive. Those 4 inches they add to the band are 4 inches that should be in the cup size, so no wonder people think anything over DD should be huge.
  • Do not measure your ‘overbust’ cause really what the fuck does that have to do with how large you are underneath your boobs, come on
  • Do not do the above because 80% of the support comes from the band, which needs to be firm against you and not be sliding or moving around.Would you wear underwear 4 inches bigger than your hips? No, so why would you wear a bra band 4 inches bigger than your ribcage that gets pulled up and stuff and would fall off if not for the straps, while expecting it to support the boobies at the same time?
  • Do not go down a band size and then forget to go up a cup size or two. Again, cup sizes are not static. A 30FF is the same cup volume as a 32F or E. If you don’t do this, no shit the bra will fit badly or feel tight.
  • Do not go straight to Victoria’s Secret or La Senza or whatever, even if you are lucky enough to fit in their small range of sizes – they don’t seem to follow sizing very well. Still, try, by all means, but be aware that their bras may be odd compared to others.

 "But where do I get these Bras? I’ve never even seen these sizes!“

Luckily, the internet makes this shit really easy. Buying bras online is nearly always way cheaper, even with shipping, and even if coming from somewhere in Europe! But of course, its best to try on stuff first, to avoid the hassle of return shipping (even though its still not that expensive – just annoying). So what I advise is to find a store near you, try stuff on there, note down the Brand, Model, and Size, and then buy it online for up to a quarter of of the in-store price.

If you can’t find a store near you, online ordering is still extremely cheap, even with return shipping. Instead of getting a whole bunch of bras in only 1 size each, pick out a few models and order a few sizes of each. Ex: one with a bigger or smaller band if your measurements are close to needing a bigger or smaller band size, and then some up or down a couple cup sizes so you can compare the fit. When you have the perfect fit in one bra, it will be easier to go on Bratabase or r/ABraThatFits and have them suggest bras that give similar shape or suggest a different size to you as a model you’re interested in may run large or small.

So, Where to Find:

  • Note: You can find proper-sized bras as low as 10$ US online (particularly from ebay or brastop.com) and most average 30-45$.
  • List of Online Retailers from BustyResourcesWiki: A complete list of online retailers around da world. Many ship internationally so take a look at all of them (particularly the UK ones)
  • Ebay, Etsy, and Amazon all have bras inexpensively.
  • List of Offline Retailers from BustyResourcesWiki: List of chain-stores (not of privately owned stores)
  • If in Canada, look for a Change Lingerie near you to try on bras. Note that they only carry their own brand.
  • If in the USA, look for a Nordstrom or Nordstrom Rack near you to try on bras. They carry all sorts of brands and have an online store as well (and also ship to Canada!)
  • Use a store locator from the webpage of a bra brand company to find non-chain, privately owned stores – if they have one of these brands, they’ll have others. Here’s the locator for Freya, Curvy Kate, FantasieChantelle, Panache, and Affinitas. There are more than just these of course.
  • If you are small in the band AND in the cup (under a D cup) look at the Little Bra Company.
  • Ask around on Bratabase or r/ABraThatFits for stores near you.
  • WOMAN, YOU HAVE THE INTERNET! GOOGLE! YELP!

WARNING: There are many chain stores (Nordstrom, Lane Bryant, Mark and Spencer, Change etc) that do bra fittings and have a good reputation. However, each store is different – some measure correctly, and some use the stupid VS method. Every store has a different team of employees and knowledge. DO NOT GO IN WITHOUT HAVING MEASURED YOURSELF FIRST, JUST IN CASE THEY ARE ONE OF THE BAD STORES. DO NOT TRUST ALL BRA FITTERS, EVEN IF SOMEONE RECOMMENDED THEM TO YOU. If your fitter gives you a measurement different from this one, be mentally prepared to have a difficult time getting them to help you find the right bra.

I had the fitter at Change help me, and when I mentioned that the gore did not tack, she said “Oh, the gore never touches the chest with these bras”. I was like HAHA NOPE BRING ME A LARGER CUP WOMAN. And lo and behold, 2 extra cup sizes later, the gore tacked (and my boobs stopped spilling out). She was very nice otherwise but if I hadn’t known better that could have been bad.

Resources:

  • r/ABraThatFits: forum for bras, they will help you with sizing, fitting, and finding the right model for your breast shape – they have links to a lot of resources, such as online stores, used bra listings, etc.
  • Busty Resources Wiki: Great resource for fitting tips, diagrams, explanations, styles.
  • Bra Band Project: an online gallery of what various sizes look like! Dump your disbelief!
  • List of Online Retailers: Online is MUCH cheaper and shipping is usually cheap too, even from Europe. Try bras in a store near you , pick out what you like, and order them online instead.
  • Bratabase: Database of bras, with user inputted measurements of each bra model in its size – bras may be marked the same size, but with this you can see which may have bigger or smaller bands or cups, or what style may suit what shape of breast, all of which helps find the perfect fit for you! 
  • Great Youtube Video on Bra Fitting: This is one of the few people on Youtube who knows their shit about bras. Great for the visuals to help you understand what a bad fit and proper fit look like.
  • Venusian Glow is a great bra blog – SO MUCH INFO. Suggests bras based on your boob shape amongst other things.

How Finn and Rey saved each other again in The Last Jedi

leg-grestrade:

lj-writes:

leg-grestrade:

diversehighfantasy:

lj-writes:

Or: How TLJ is RotS averted far more than RotJ subverted

At
the end of The Force Awakens we watched Finn and Rey both stand up to Kylo Ren for each other, effectively saving each other and
themselves from the Master of the Knights of Ren. When Rey was knocked
out Finn took up the lightsaber; when Finn was injured, Rey woke up to
his screams and snatched the lightsaber from Ren to defend Finn and
herself.

This dynamic takes place again in the climax of The
Last Jedi, except Finn and Rey were not in the same scene like they were
during the dueling sequence in TFA. in TLJ, though kept apart until
their heartwarming reunion hug, they saved each other through the
choices they made and what each meant to the other.

The A-plot of
TLJ has been called a subversion of Return of the Jedi, for good reason.
Rey attempts to bring Kylo Ren back to the light in scenes that are
some very direct callbacks to Luke and Vader in RotJ, except
Kylo Ren, unlike Vader, refuses Rey’s plea and rises to the position of Big Bad
instead.

TLJ is only primarily a subversion of RotJ if you focus
on Rey and Ren, however. If you broaden the focus to Rey, Finn, and Ren
and the dynamics between them, it is the tragic ending of Revenge of the
Sith averted.

Keep reading

Kylo as a parallel for Palpatine with Rey as Anakin makes so much more sense than Kylo as the new Anakin and Rey the new Padme. SO much more sense. If we learned one thing from Snoke’s surprisingly weak role in TLJ, it’s that Kylo was the manipulator, the one pulling the strings. It took nothing for him to kill Snoke and become Supreme Leader.

Vader never came close to being Emperor or anything of the sort. He died taking down the Emperor, even with his incredible power. If Snoke thought Kylo could be his Vader-esque attack dog, he miscalculated. Snoke was less powerful and possibly less evil than Kylo. Luke’s terror looking into Ben’s mind supports it.

Kylo miscalculated too, though – he’s not as sharp as Palpatine. He thought Rey’s weakness was her parentage and desire to have an “important” place in the story, some narcissistic projecting by Kylo. Her weakness was Finn. If he had told her that joining him would save Finn, things may have played out differently. Instead, Kylo acted as another challenge in her journey back to Finn. She was unsuccessful in “turning” him, but he was unsuccessful in diverting her journey the way Palpatine did with Anakin.

Wow. I never thought of that before, but I think you’re right @diversehighfantasy. I wonder if Kylo is just not bright or, ugh, as much as I HATE to think it, is attracted to Rey in some manner that the idea of doing that was repugnant to him. It’s not as if he doesn’t know Rey is still attached to Finn. It says right in the novelization that he knows she’s thinking about him. Palps hit Anakin’s weak spot in Padme. Kylo should have realized Rey’s weak spot was Finn. The idea that he didn’t take it suggests to me that he’s either dumber than a box of dog hair, or that there was some thought of making this some sort of stupid love triangle. 

@diversehighfantasy Looking at the plot objectively, it really was Kylo manipulating everything to his advantage. By reeling Rey in as he did with a sob story and bringing her to Snoke’s flagship he:

– Established personal rapport with Rey and turned her against Luke

– Physically separated her from her allies in the Resistance, isolating her further

– Gained a distraction so he could kill Snoke

– Gained an ally in the fight against the Praetorian Guards, because the Knights of Ren were all on vacation or something

– Gained a patsy to blame Snoke’s death on

– Had the perfect opportunity to exploit Rey’s psychological weakness and bring her to his side, except he chose the wrong hook like the elitist narcissist he is

– Rose to the position of Supreme Ruler

An alternative theory: Space Hugh Hefner doesn’t look that hot himself, he seems ill and in pain. It’s possible that he did not have that long to live, so maybe this was his twisted idea of a succession. Was KR scheming and ruthless enough to kill and succeed him? Or would Hux take that position instead? This is the kind of thing Hitler actually did, pitting his senior staff against each other, minus the death wish part (that came later).

Holy shit, was this what Snoke meant at the end of TFA by completing Kylo’s training? If not what JJ intended, then at least what RJ made of it? Kylo had passed the test of killing what he loved; was it time for his final test, to learn to scheme and manipulate and take power? And did Kylo actually realize this on some level when he didn’t fire on Leia–I mean he didn’t give a shit anyway that she was spaced–that his real obstacle wasn’t to keep repeating the Han scenario, but to overcome Snoke himself?

Could this be the in-universe reason for the Knights of Ren being sent away–so that Kylo would be deprived of his greatest tactical asset and would be forced to improvise?

Maybe Snoke wasn’t as incomptent as he seemed. Maybe everything went exactly as he planned, or at least hoped.

@leg-grestrade The idea of KR being attracted to Rey makes him about eleventy times more disgusting so it might actually work for his character, although it adds a really gross taste to everything and isn’t really the SW tone. I mean, imagine if Palpatine did the “I have you now, my pretty” shit on Leia or Padmé… like… ew. One of the things I like about SW is that powerful women are allowed to have male rivals and enemies without it being creepily sexual. Jabba the Hutt was an exception and- well actually I’m fine with Rey strangling Kyle to death lol.

I think Kylo’s choosing to take an elitist tack was mostly projection as DHF said, since he was ragging on her being a “scavenger” even in TFA as though she weren’t completely comfortable with that. But it’s really disturbing to think that he might be obsessed with “pure Force babies” himself.

But yeah, if he grows any kind of smarts at all he will use Finn against her and vice versa in Episode IX. The bond between Finn and Rey has been built up for two movies, and he–and the creators–had better use it to maximum effect.

@lj-writes, I think my supposition sort of goes hand in hand with your idea of Kylo ragging on her. That’s why I scoff at reylos claiming Kylo had an enormous boner for her in TFA. He didn’t. One of the things with Kylo I thought JJ got right, if he was making him a Vader stan, was sharing Vader (and Palpatine’s) disdain for non-Force sensitive beings. They might respect them to some degree, like a Tarkin, but they still thought they were inferior, to a certain degree. There was something in Legends where Palps almost went over the line, questioning why Vader would have gone for Padme as a non-Force sensitive before catching himself and stating that she was a lovely woman from a good family on par with the Naboo Palpatines (all of whom he killed, btw). 

In TFA, Kylo considered Rey nothing but a dumpster diver, who he was going to violate and discard, the way he’d planned on doing with Poe. It was only when she proved to be Force Sensitive that he backed off and tried to change tactics, because as FS being, she was now worthy of more of his regard – until he didn’t need it anymore.

This is why I feel it was a mistake to not confirm Finn as FS in TFA. Because in TLJ, the through-line by Rian Asshole seems to be “Rey can only turn to Kylo because as a FS being, he alone understands her pain and what she needs, and they have a bond no one who isn’t FS an understand.” By not making them have a familial bond, Rian was basically saying Kylo and Rey are the only ones for each other, and if it doesn’t happen, it’s not because it shouldn’t, but because it couldn’t. It’s something that has been picked up by general audiences as well as Reylos, and goes along with Kylo’s disgust that Rey is worried about Finn. Why worry about some non-FS “traitor” when FS Kylo and his square boobs are right there?

Of course, no one seemed to complain about the lack for Force Sensitivity in the partners of Leia and Anakin. But we all know what the difference was there.

I never got the impression Vader respected Tarkin tbh, he and Palpatine found Tarkin’s abilities useful but Vader was really pissy about Tarkin not respecting the Force and himself enough, feeling himself owed a degree of deference for his abilities. The way Snoke talks about Hux, a.k.a. Tarkin II, behind his back is downright depersonalizing–not to say Hux doesn’t deserve serious disrespect, but it seems to be for the wrong reasons.

While I strongly believe Force sensitive Finn is canon, I am not at all sure that the canon will confirm his Force sensitivity and canon Finnrey at the same time. Anakin married a non-Force sensitive, as you point out, and so did Leia. In the lamentable Luke-Leia-Han triangle Leia chose Han even before she knew Luke was her brother. Luke’s marriage to Mara Jade or someone like her never happened in this continuity, so far as we know. If Kyle Ron is interested in bucking that trend and “continuing the bloodline” with a powerful Force-sensitive woman (ew), it would present a stronger contrast if Rey marries a non-Force sensitive rather than another Force-sensitive person. It’s all sorts of problematic that they might position the Black male lead as the one with “lesser” genes whom Rey chooses for love, but Han was originally cast to be played by a Black man with all the problems this implies. And the Reylows can fuck off with their not-even-veiled eugenics rhetoric.

jewishcomeradebot:

diversehighfantasy:

jewishcomeradebot:

lj-writes:

jewishcomeradebot:

I don’t understand the people who say that Kylo would have worked better if he had been a random, I really don’t. Kylo’s connection to the Skywalker bloodline, along with the lack of clear motive for his actions, is the entire point.

See, he’s a Nazi.

Okay, so technically he’s an allegory for a neo-Nazi in a space fantasy setting, but given that this hellsite has a distinct difficulty with complex concepts I’ll keep it simple. He’s a Nazi.

Why did Nazis do what they did? Why do neo-Nazis do what they do?

If you peel away all the embellishments and propaganda it comes right down to this: they see themselves as having a special legacy, a special bloodline to protect and they have a right to do so because they feel they’ve been chosen.

JJ has said that the early concept of Jedikiller only started working when they made him connected to the Skywalker bloodline, to the chosen family in Star Wars.

Kylo’s motivation, like that of all Nazis, is that he’s doing this because he belongs to the chosen people and thus have a right to rule. Not because he’s qualified, but because he belongs to the destined people.

No it’s not deep or complex, but it was never meant to be. Kylo is an antagonist and one JJ always meant to emulate a neo-Nazi. Giving him complex motivation would have detracted from this and, like with the real life equivalent, made it possible to justify what he’s doing because he has X, Y, Z motivation. Instead JJ gave him the most basic motivation of Nazis, he’s right because he’s chosen and because he has the strength to do what he does.

It’s not glorious. It’s pathetic, sad and ultimately someone who’s irredeemable. Not because he couldn’t choose differently than he does but because it’s not a motivation that makes anyone want to see him redeemed.

Of course, even people who sees Kylo as a villain and antagonist have a really hard time accepting him being a Nazi, so maybe this view isn’t really that surprising.

I mean the actor himself told us that Kylo Ren is an elitist (link), it’s not that deep people.

[Adam Driver] refuses to see his character as bratty. “There is a little bit of an
elitist, royalty thing going on,” he says, reminding us that the
character’s estranged mom is “the princess. I think he’s aware of maybe
the privilege.”

Cass Sunstein has criticized TLJ in part because Kylo didn’t fall due to losing a loved one (link), but maybe that’s because… Kylo is no Anakin… and is not nearly as sympathetic?

Mr. Dark Side, Kylo Ren, does have a bit of a struggle, and in that
sense, Johnson maintains continuity with Lucas’s vision. But in this
movie, at least, the struggle turns out to be a head fake. Because
Kylo’s descent doesn’t have the precipitating cause of Anakin’s – the
loss of loved ones – and because we don’t see Kylo suppressing the
better angels of his nature, the film doesn’t come anywhere close to the
depths of Lucas’s films.

If anyone is positioned as the new Anakin–but with a happy ending–it’s Rey, in struggling with the loss of loved ones, or at least her idea of them, and also in resisting manipulation by her would-be abusive mentor Kylo where Anakin fell to Palpatine’s manipulation. It’s interesting that Sunstein couldn’t recognize this story when it manifested in a female character, though to be sure it’s a common enough blind spot and RJ didn’t make it easy for anyone.

Precisely.

People, not just Cass here, are obsessed with having Kylo be the next Vader/Anakin, but he isn’t. Not to mention they’re even more obsessed with the reason why he fell to the Dark Side than they are with Rey’s parentage.

But let me ask you something. Did we know why Anakin fell in the OT? No, we didn’t, because the reason for it wasn’t relevant to Luke for whom Vader was a foil.

Is it relevant to Finn or to Rey why Kylo fell? So far we’ve been given not a single reason why this information should be relevant to either of them, so I don’t get why people are so upset about not knowing.

Except as yet another case of prioritizing the white guy over the two actual leads in the ST. Kylo’s motives for turning to the Dark are no more interesting or relevant to the narrative than Vader’s were in the OT. It’s not a plot hole, it’s not a flaw in the storytelling, it’s intentional. Only the parts of Kylo and his actions that are pertinent to Finn and Rey are relevant to the story, and unless someone can come up with a good reason why either of them should remotely care about it it’s going to remain irrelevant.

All too true. (You and @lj-writes are killin it with the meta lately).

It’s funny, too, because Rey’s “nobody” revelation effectively removes the possibility that he fell because of a lost loved one. The Rey Solo theory revolves around a Solo family tragedy before Kylo’s fall (Leia implies in TFA that the family was dealing with something that led to sending him to Luke, which is open to interpretation but fit with the loss of another child). Rey was taken and believed to be dead, throwing the family into turmoil and pushing a grieving Ben toward the Dark Side. The Rey Solo theory doesn’t always attribute Rey’s disappearance to Kylo’s fall, but when it does it gives Kylo a sympathetic reason to embrace the darkness. (The death of Anakin Solo was a turning point for Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus in the EU, so it isn’t hard to get onboard with the idea that Rey was a combination of Anakin and Jaina Solo.)

Rey being nobody shatters that. Fandom rejoiced because it meant they could get together and have Pure Force Babies (something the narrative has never suggested was a goal of Kylo’s even with his Nazi mindset), but it gives him no reason to be like he is other than toxic entitlement based on bloodline.

(They’ll say the reason is Snoke’s supposed brainwashing, but that ignores the fact that the ST remains firmly about choices.)

Adding the commentary you made to the post over here to this, because I want respond to it as one.

Yes. It’s important not to ignore the fact that Kylo’s entitlement stems from his lineage. He is the only Star Wars villain (iirc) who’s actual ideology aligns with Nazism, where others wore it as an “evil” aesthetic. Sure, the Empire and FO are human supremacists, but Kylo represents white supremacy in a much more tangible way.

When he confronts Rey and Finn on the crumbling Starkiller Base, it’s almost heavy-handed, but for the fact that most of the audience didn’t see it. A volatile white man holding on to his flickering “birthright,” demanding a woman and Black man return the power (Luke’s saber) that he believes belongs to him.

That’s not subtlety. Nor is the scene where Kylo orders the slaughter of the villagers. Especially when Finn was very clearly put into the position of a soldier “just following orders” (the Nuremberg Defense), but chose to disobey.

Fans remove Kylo’s culpability because he didn’t pull the trigger, but do we consider the Nazis who issued the orders but didn’t kill firsthand less culpable? FUCK NO.

So people can hem and haw about how it’s wrong to say Kylo is a Nazi/white supremacist parallel, but it’s in the narrative, especially under JJ’s watch.

You right, JJ isn’t remotely subtle. He never was and in this case the only way he could have been less subtle about would be to name them Nazis and give the characters names such as Adolf and Hermann.

And no there’s never been a quite this obvious Nazi analogy in Star Wars before. The Empire was simply about might makes right and the rule of the strongest, in many ways it was simply generic fascism with some Nazi aesthetics on top to make it look cooler.

The whole “preserving/claiming a birthright/legacy” is a new theme for a Dark Side character. Or rather, it is Kylo’s own fucked up version of the past and his birthright he’s trying to claim. Just as with real life Nazis it’s not actually their past, culture and people they’re trying to claim and protect, it’s their own private, revised, fucked up version of it they’re on about.

As a lot of people have pointed out his words to Vader’s helmet doesn’t make any sense because what Vader really wanted was to protect his family. But I’ll posit that they’re not supposed to make sense in the historical context of the universe because it’s not even Vader/Anakin’s legacy Kylo is trying to protect or claim, it’s his own revised, fucked up version of it.

Yes Rey Solo or I’d argue even Rey Skywalker could have given Kylo a sympathetic motive for turning to the Dark Side, but as things stand he doesn’t have.

More than that, TFA does everything it can to make Kylo look unsympathetic and paint him in a negative light without making him completely one dimensional.

Like this is a universe where the space Nazis after being defeated fucked off to “space Argentina” but rather than just lay low and die out they get right back at it becoming proud space neo-Nazis.

One organization that was an important the Nazi Germany was Hitlerjugend. It was a paramilitary organization of which membership was mandatory for all German boys between the age of 6 and 18. It was meant to not only teach them proper Nazi values and ideals, but also turn them into good soldiers.

In a universe such as the present Star Wars one where the in-universe Nazis fucked off and restarted the in-universe version of Hitlerjugend would absolutely be an important thing too.

Does it sound familiar? Do we know of a character who had grown up under such conditions?

Indeed we do.

Another thing.

Ideologies and organizations such as the (vague) one the First Order espouses is supposed to attract people who feels disenfranchised, are economically disadvantaged and/or have a great need to belong to someone or some place and struggles with their identity.

Do we know of such a character in the story?

Well, look at that.

But it isn’t Finn or Rey who turns to the First Order, though they should have every single reason to. No, the one who embraces it is this asshole:

Ben Solo. Raised with just about every single privileged know. Loving parents, financial secure, erudite and educated. He is the one who embraces the First Order, because his own fucked up, revised version of his “legacy” entitles him too.

Or so he thinks.

Which leads me back to the beginning of all of this.

JJ stripped Kylo of all ideological motivation to make it impossible to use that to excuse or defend his actions. In creating Finn and Rey as the characters he did, JJ also undermines every personal motivation Kylo could use to make himself look good. 

The last two years have been something of an experience watching fandom trying to justify Kylo’s actions and argue that he’s actually, deep down good, when everything in the narrative told us the opposite. Even TLJ could justify his actions, instead it just ran avoidance tactics on the topic never addressing it. Even Rian knew that in a story where Finn and Rey exists, where Kylo has no ideological convictions beyond claiming his birthright, it isn’t possible to make him look sympathetic.

On a closing note. The whole “pure Force babies” thing always made me want to thrown up. Do these people realize who and what they sound as spouting that shit. I’ve hears actual Nazis be more circumspect in their phrasing than these people.

If you had asked me a year or two ago if they were aware or not, I’d have said they weren’t. Now I’m no where near as sure that these people aren’t 100% aware of who and what they sound as saying that shit. I’m wondering if they think they’re cool doing that.

The part about the FO attracting disenfranchised people like Rey is 100% canonical and intentional. That’s one of the FO’s schticks, positioning themselves as the great hope for those who are underprivileged and desperate. Not only that, there are at least two high-ranking FO characters–Gallius Rax and The Cardinal–who are actually from Jakku and trapped in poverty until the FO picked them up and gave them opportunities. Though not from Jakku, Phasma in her novel was similarly from a poverty-stricken, constantly warring post-apocalyptic world. I have pointed out before that the FO thrived in part due to the Republic’s failure to provide economic justice (link).

Also, your analysis reveals more clearly why Kylostans have gone the path of either arguing he’s brainwashed or justifying his actions. JJ purposefully took away the traditional ideological or emotional “justifications” for the character’s actions, forcing Kylostans to either show their ass and say his actions are inherently right/understandable or fall back on saying his character is essentially a puppet.

I remember when I delved deep into Reylow meta and came out of it a committed anti, one of the first things I noticed and an early turn-off was how distinctly fascistic the rhetoric sounded, like Kylo believes in the rule of the strong over the weak (that’s accurate) and Rey is powerful (uh-huh) and that makes them a perfect match (what?!). (Link) The Force Baby shit only upped that impression, and really that was never what SW was about. Both Anakin and Leia married non-Force users, and Luke as far as we know never had children at all in this continuity. The fact that a subset of fans think SW is/should be about Force eugenics in contrast to everything it’s actually stood for is seriously disturbing. Idk why people seriously think JJ wou do that.

rootbeergoddess:

assian-candor:

I think what reylos fail to realise is that we don’t dislike the shippers because they ship it. We dislike shippers because they entirely misrepresent the ship itself, as well as the movies as a whole.

I, and many people that I’ve spoken to, hold all content to a pretty simple standard: It’s okay to like problematic content. It’s perfectly okay to enjoy media that contains iffy, or even outright offensive, elements – so long as you recognise that those elements exist and are an issue. Be critical of the media you consume, accept that it’s flawed, but don’t think that those problems mean you have to dislike the content.

Take the Star Wars prequels. I love the prequels, but it’s important to recognise the problems it has in terms of racist caricaturing, antisemitism, and the misogynistic way in which Padmé’s story is handled. The same goes for the original trilogy, to an extent – particularly how Jabba is a caricature of Middle Eastern sultans, and the Tusken Raiders are quite heavily islamophobic. And the sequel trilogy, particularly the antiblackness evident in the way Finn is written. These are all hugely important factors to consider when discussing the franchise, but that doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to enjoy the movies. That’s not to say you have to be loudly and consistently vocal about these issues – some people don’t have the time or the energy to do so, some people don’t know how to express it, some people prefer to keep their blogs (and lives) free of discourse and drama. We aren’t expecting everyone to write essay-length meta on how Star Wars is racist, we aren’t expecting the entire fandom to engage in discourse to the same degree, we just think it’s crucial to recognise that the content you enjoy isn’t squeaky clean and problem-free. When you say “I love Star Wars” we don’t expect you to tack “(even though it’s problematic!)” onto the end, but we hope that you accept that it’s problematic.

But this attitude (which is not specific to the Star Wars fandom, obviously) of viewing content in a critical and socially nuanced way is a relatively low bar that most people don’t struggle to meet. If someone told me they loved Star Wars, and I were to go, “Ah, but it’s antisemitic! Remember Watto?” chances are they’d respond with something along the lines of, “Yeah, that’s true. I know that. I still love the films though.” And that’s fine. That’s my stance! I love it despite that too! If I were to tell them that they shouldn’t enjoy their favourite film franchise because of that, they’d likely be outraged, or at least relatively annoyed, and justifiably so. As long as you acknowledge the problems, enjoy away. No one is stopping you from enjoying it or judging you for doing so. You should enjoy content whilst acknowledging its problems. Not by ignoring them, or defending them. And not by misrepresenting them.

That’s why, even if we have a problem with reylo on a fundamental level, most antis don’t automatically dislike the shippers. When we point out that reylo is abusive, we aren’t saying that shippers condone abuse. When we say that Rey’s interrogation scene is a rape parallel (Side note: to those reylos saying we shouldn’t throw the word “rape” around willy nilly and use it where we shouldn’t, we aren’t saying that scene is literally mind rape, we’re saying that the scene is very deliberately mirroring the power dynamics, behaviours, and emotions associated with sexual assault), we aren’t calling reylo shippers rape apologists. Because we know what nuance is. I haven’t seen any evidence of this myself personally, but I’m sure that plenty of reylo shippers realise that it’s abusive and are mindful of that. I’m sure plenty of reylos don’t expect – or even want – it to become canon, and quietly indulge in fan art or fanfiction or whatever the hell else whilst also accepting that it’s a problematic ship. When we point out that it’s abusive (and racist in many respects) we aren’t condemning shippers. It isn’t intended to make people feel guilty or evil for shipping it. It’s intended to raise an important issue which some people, especially shippers themselves (and particularly socially ignorant or uncritical ones), may not have considered. It’s giving reylos an opportunity to view their ship in a more nuanced and critical way, and reach their own conclusions based on that. Maybe some reylos will stop shipping it when they realise it’s abusive. Maybe some will realise that it is, and continue to ship it, whilst also bearing that element in mind and viewing the reylo content they consume in a different way. Many (and this is what I’ve seen from every reylo on this website so far) will completely disregard the abuse and the racism, pretend it’s not a problem whatsoever, continue shipping it, continue expecting it to become canon, and continue wanting to see it play out in the movies. It’s important to hold fandom ships to the same standard as any other element of the media they stem from – enjoy it all you want, but acknowledge the problems with it. Don’t ignore, defend, or misrepresent the problematic elements. 

But like I said, I’ve seen fucking none of that in the fandom myself, and I’ve been heavily involved in the Star Wars Tumblr fandom since a little before TFA was announced. And that’s not to say that I’m an authority on the fandom or that I know the thoughts and feelings of every reylo. But in the three and a half years that I’ve been a Star Wars blog, all I’ve seen is people either, A: flat-out claiming that reylo isn’t abusive at all, which serves to both ignore and misrepresent the very much intentional abuse parallels that are present right there on screen (and this is especially true for those reylos who make entire posts about how that one bit of eye contact or a slight smirk mean that his abusive behaviour is actually super duper lovey dovey romance), or B: defending the abuse itself, mostly blaming it on Kylo’s “mental illnesses” and saying he himself is a “victim of abuse” and a barrage of other weak excuses, many of which are ableist. It even goes as far as blatantly misrepresenting parts of the movies which have nothing to do with reylo (like Han’s death, or Kylo’s interactions with Snoke) to suit their ship. And this includes either photoshopping Finn out of scenes he shares with Rey, or whitewashing the ever-living fuck out of him, in order to literally replace him with KyloThat’s fucked, my dudes.

Accepting content as problematic but enjoying it nonetheless only works if you take the content as it is presented to you, without manipulating or misrepresenting it. There would be far fewer anti-reylos if reylo shippers weren’t either lying about, or deliberately misunderstanding, the films. Bear in mind, anti-reylo doesn’t mean anti-shipper. I, and many others I imagine, don’t give a fuck if you ship it so long as you see it for what it is and are mindful of its problems. We’re only anti-shipper when the shippers themselves fail to meet a very low fucking standard which most people succeed at meeting. And most or all of the shippers I’ve seen fail to meet that standard, which makes me anti-them.

Ship it if you want. If you acknowledge its problems and ship it through a socially aware and nuanced lens whilst also seeing it for what it is, and as long as you keep yourself to yourself and quietly ship it without disrupting the fandom proper and starting needless drama,  I have no beef with you. But if you go to dramatic lengths to distort and defend blatant verbal and physical abuse, and racist misrepresentations of the content of the films, or if you completely disregard all the iffy elements of the ship and get angry when people level even so much as mild criticism against reylo, then you can – with all due respect – go fuck yourself.

Perhaps it’s unfair for us to expect everyone to hold content interaction to the same standard that we do. Perhaps it’s unfair to expect people to be critical and nuanced when it comes to media consumption. But given that it’s a standard held and met by almost all reputable content analysis outlets, it doesn’t seem all that unfair.

This is a good post

jewishcomeradebot:

lj-writes:

jewishcomeradebot:

lj-writes:

jewishcomeradebot:

All that fracas about my Finnrey meta has kinda made me want to write one about how Rey’s arc in TFA and TLJ is about growing up and letting go of childish things, her longing for her family and her belief that they cared about her and step into the adult world of responsibilities. But that it’s still emotionally satisfying because it does give her what she originally wanted, someone who loves her and comes back for her in Finn. It’s just not in the way she originally thought it would be.

And that when she meets Finn again at the end of TLJ it’s no longer as the child who seeks to run off and have her fairy tale happy ending without consequences or responsibilities, but as a young woman with commitments and responsibilities of her own.

People will point to her insistence that they see the BB-8 mission through in TFA as proof that she was already responsible and a grownup–but that wasn’t what was going on. She was bound by her desire to go back to Jakku, not commitment to the Resistance’s cause. She was looking to be her parents’ child again, not a grownup responsible for others. This is completely understandable and sympathetic because she had her childhood ripped from her and never got to be protected and cherished the way children should be. It’s very hard to grow up when you weren’t able to be a child first, and Rey’s story in many ways is about that difficult journey.

I never got that argument. When Rey runs off from Maz’s castle in TFA BB-8 follows her and corners her when she stops. 

Rey: What are you doing?

BB-8: *clearly wants to know what she’s up to*

Rey: You have to go back.

BB-8: *asks something*

Rey: I’m leaving

BB-8: *wants to come with her*

Rey: You can’t. You have to go back, you’re too important.

This doesn’t sound like someone who’s prepared to invest in the Resistance and who’s already ditched the idea of going back to Jakku. She’s at this point, which comes after the Force back and after Finn has left too, literally saying to BB-8 that she’s going back and not to the Resistance.

She was willing to take the droid to the Resistance, with Finn. I think that’s the crucial point for her. He was the first person who showed any kind of concern for her, but now he’s gone and with him her reason for staying and moving on with the mission.

And notice she only gave “we have to complete the mission” as a reason when she still thought Finn was a Resistance fighter. She thought invoking the Resistance’s mission would get him to stay because that’s what he was committed to do. Once he revealed he wasn’t Resistance she no longer brought up the mission because it no longer mattered to her, as you point out. This wasn’t irresponsible or heartless of her; thanks to her efforts, BB-8 already had people to take him back to the Resistace. Now that she had gotten BB to this point it wasn’t her concern anymore, Finn was. And with Finn lost to her she was going to go back to her hopeless waiting, the only chance she had at being loved and cared for again. And then Kylo Ren appeared, the dark Cupid that brought them back together

Also lmao this means Finnrey as a romance, unlike Reylow, passes the “Twilight test,” excerpted by @elaine-spades (link): the female protagonist wants something for herself, is proactive about getting it, and succeeds or fails as a result. The poster in the excerpt even says helping Finn would have been a valid motivation for Rey, but RJ had to be too clever by half and make it obscure as hell. I don’t blame the audience for not getting it, another case of “color-blind” writing not working out as @diversehighfantasy has discussed in Screw the Slow Burn (link).

Actually what she says after Maz says that the two pirats can get Finn to the Outer Rim if that’s where he wants to go and Finn for the first time says “Rey, come with me” is,

“What about BB-8. We have to get him back to your base.” (Emphasis mine.)

Then when Finn goes to the pirates and Rey confronts him:

Rey: “What are you doing?”

then

“You can’t go. I won’t let you.”

Also earlier when Han after they escape the Guavian Death Gang and Kanji Klub asks them, “Fugitives eh?” Rey replies:

“The First Order wants the map. Finn is with the Resistance, I’m just a scavenger.”

Rey constantly separates herself from the mission. It isn’t hers, she’s just kinda along for the ride because she got dragged into it and well, Finn is really kinda cute and he’s the only person who’s shown concern and affection for her.

Not only does she separate herself from the mission, constantly pointing out that it is Finn’s mission not hers, her words to Finn just before his confession makes it pretty clear that for her it is not about the mission as such, it’s about him.

You can’t leave. I won’t let you.

Sorry, those are not the words of someone who’s committed to a mission. It’s about her – Rey – who can’t bear to see another person she’s begun to love leave her behind.

Yup, while Rey was excited at the idea of the Resistance/Luke etc. that was a diversion for her and a kindness to BB, not her main business which was to survive and wait for her parents. She might have been forced to leave under fire but the plan was always to go back.

I also think that was the reason she wouldn’t leave with Finn. While she was strongly drawn to him, he hadn’t yet proven to be the one who would come back for her no matter what. I think more than anything, at their parting on Takodana, she wanted time; time to figure out what their relationship was as this was very new to both of them after all; time to talk about what they each wanted; time maybe even to convince her to come back to Jakku with her? (Though like, he wasn’t too excited about that obviously.) But she wouldn’t leave with him, not right then, because she couldn’t be sure she was ready to leave her chance at family behind for a man she had just met.

I believe all this changed on Starkiller Base when Chewie, the universe’s biggest Finnrey shipper in all senses, told her it was Finn’s idea to come back for her. She had seen how afraid Finn was of the First Order, and now she knew it was for a damned good reason. But he still came back for her.

This was the moment the equation changed and Jakku dropped out of the picture, to be replaced by Finn as her chance at knowing the kind of love and safety she had craved all her life. That, I believe, was what drove her throughout TLJ. The First Order is a threat to everyone, but it and Kylo Ren have a particular hatred of Finn because he represents an existential threat to them. (Random thought: Is the main FO fleet so irrationally and foolishly fixated on eradicating the tiny Resistance in part because they know the Resistance is protecting Finn? Was that one reason Rose was so angry at him for trying to leave, and couldn’t seem to let go of a simmering resentment at him almost to the end of the movie?) With the FO still out there Rey and Finn would not be safe no matter where they went. She was trying to protect Finn and her future together with him.

geekandmisandry:

iamfinallybreakingfree:

My home will be a home with no loud anger, no explosive rage, no slamming doors or breaking glass, no name calling, shaming or blackmail. My home will be gentle, it will be warm. It will keep my loved ones safe. No fear, no hurt and no worries. I may come from a broken and twisted place but I will build something whole and safe. I’ll sing in the shower again, cook with a smile and dance in all the rooms. I will heal.

The only screaming in a house should be shrieks of laughter.

This was my dream and I am building it now with my husband and our small child. When I got married it was almost strange, feeling safe and relaxed in my own home. Now I am giving my child the upbringing I wanted for myself, with kindness, empathy, humor, limits, discipline, and above all love, endless love in a peaceful home without fear or violence.

I feared for the longest time I wasn’t able to be a kind spouse or parent, but it turns out I am. I can’t express how freeing this is because my father blamed me so often for “making” him blow up, “making” him so anxious that he had to control me. He said I would understand him when I was a parent myself.

But no, it really was him and not me, it wasn’t my fault, I am not broken or abnormal, I am capable of happiness and of making my loved ones happy. And now that I am a parent, if anything I am more mystified at my father than ever. How could he look into his children’s eyes and even conceive of treating them with anything but gentleness? He remains a warning to me, the path I could take if I give in to anger or fear, but I know there is nothing inevitable about it. I am responsible for my actions and reactions, and no one can “make” me abusive.

For everyone made to doubt themselves like I was and fears they can’t make a better home than the one they grew up in, it’s not true. It was never true. You can do better and you will do better. It might take a lot of work. You might have to face and unlearn unhealthy patterns and messed-up beliefs to replace them with better ones. You can do it, though. I believe in you.