I know there are many Star Wars ships and everyone defends their fav ship until it officially sinks. All I ask you all is to read this glorious work and admire that fact it has great writing and works well to portray the characters to fit the story. Not to mention despite it being one of the less popular ships this is a great work and to my joy it’s not a modern au. (Sorry people but I hate modern aus…)
But now I ask that you help me hunt down the writer and beg them to continue this fic! Please for my ever growing love of Star Wars help me convince the writer to continue this amazing thing I’ve discovered!
1. What the fuck
2. Why the fuck did you put this in the finnrey tag? Do you like baiting people into looking at rapefic?
Here’s the tags for good measure. And Pokemon? You piece of shit, that’s a kids franchise even more so than Star Wars. you’re straight up exposing minors to rape fic and not even so much as giving them a warning?
You’re a vile excuse for a human being and I hope you have a miserable life.
They’re straight up trying to trigger people. I’m going to wait for reylos to call this gross and vile behavior out since they always claim to care so much about the safety or rape and abuse survivors, though I won’t hold me breath while doing so.
Pokemon?! Holy shit. Also #marvel, #cats, #dogs, and #harry potter, all tags frequented by minors. Go deep-throat a cactus, OP.
And you’re right Mara, you can’t hold your breath that long. You’ll asphyxiate…😨
@lj-writes, it’s a beautiful thing that you get your undies in a bunch about fiction but you’re willing to wish serious injury on a live person. Perhaps reconsider some of your ethical choices.
Wow, some rando time out of their day to @ me and say they don’t care about minors being baited into reading rape stories but do care about the online harasser’s poor widdle feelings.
@lj-writes, I’m not “some rando,” I’m a fic writer and a fan who’s sick and tired of seeing other creators of art and fic being bullied by the likes of you. Nobody is baiting anybody into reading anything, and, once again, it’s you who are wishing serious physical harm on live human beings.
Children should not be going on the internet without adult supervision. And if someone is so fragile that a trigger warning triggers them, then they need to stay off the internet as well. Oh, and maybe not read or listen to the news. Which, you know, often describes the traumatization of real actual people and not fictional characters.
I note with interest that you didn’t even have the nerve to address me directly.
Bullying? Yeah, when you stray out of your lane and don’t keep tagging basic etiquette then you get put in your place. Look at you, bellyaching about the fee-fees of someone who puts a Star Wars rape fic in the fucking Pokemon tag, then blaming kids for potentially accessing an improperly tagged fic.
And cry me a river about your “physical harm”–all that fic writing and you can’t recognize a figure of speech, wow. I suggest you stop doing that if you can’t comprehend the basics of tagging.
Lmao I reblogged directly from you as even you must be aware, I just didn’t think there was someone there worth addressing directly. But since you’re so thirsty for my attention, here it is: You’re a troll who doesn’t comprehend the basics of internet manners. Stop wasting my time and get out of my notes.
@lj-writes: “Figure of speech,” that’s adorable. So the cruel things you say are harmless somehow?
If you’re so goddamned concerned about children, maybe do something for them in the real world, like advocating for universal health care. Or tutoring in underserved communities. Or advocating for good pay and decent working conditions for nannies, who so often have to leave their own children behind in order to earn a living. Or you might lobby for lead testing in municipal water so that more children don’t wind up brain damaged like the children of Flint. But I’m sure it’s much more satisfying to give yourself props for attacking people who are making art and writing stories that you are choosing to look at.
The internet is a public space, like it or not, and children too young to be exposed to adult material should not be out there unsupervised. That’s on their parents or guardians, not on me or any other adult on AO3 or elsewhere.
Yeah, you’re a bully. You’re a bully and a hypocrite and a lazy-ass self-righteous wanker.
If you’re unmoved by gross predatory invasion of spaces frequented by children but so in your feels when someone tells said gross person to basically fuck off (which I suppose is a rape threat now?)–then that shows where your sympathies lie.
Wow, this long-ass sermon because I want people to keep untagged rape and, really, off-topic stuff in general out of the tags. I’m sorry that no one has introduced you to the concept of walking and chewing gum at the same time. I.e., it is possible to care about real-life causes and online etiquette at the same time. Shocker, I know!
Tags exist for a reason. Use them correctly. Sure, children should be supervised on the web, AND adult material should be tagged appropriately (and on subject in general. Seriously, why are you so rabidly in favor of tagging Star Wars material Pokemon?). Again, it’s possible to do both, hard as it might be for your simplistic mindset to comprehend.
Hey everyone, wanting people to tag properly and getting angry that someone is purposefully exposing children to a rape fic is bullying now. Going out of your way to expose children to a rape story, on the other hand? That’s awesome.
Stop doing my son Darcy dirty and comparing him to Kyle O’Reckt. Kyll is obviously Wickam, the duplicitous, manipulative predator who targeted vulnerable teenagers for his own gain, taking “whatever he wanted” from them. Cease this dishonor on the good name of Fitzwilliam “Disaster Man” Darcy 2kforever
Akajsdlksadjkadsa. Reylos really do not pay attention to anyone who isn’t Kylo do they? Like Rey’s age is basic canon knowledge. It’s in the TFA novel too, I’ll try to remember to take a picture of the page when I get home but here’s a screen cap from the Star Wars Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded an official Star Wars book published under Disney and therefore canon. (Highlighting mine.)
Oh whoops. She’s officially nineteen and hence a teenager.
Rey’s age was so firmly fixed in my mind, I thought at first the comment was going to argue Georgiana and Lydia weren’t teenagers.
This whole idea that fans can’t handle change. Yeah ok. Before Disney got their hands on Star Wars, the EU was, for all its intents and purposes, the sequel trilogy for a lot of fans. It existed for over 20 years.
Let’s see:
A planet fell on Chewy and he died.
Han and Leia’s youngest son, Anakin Solo, died at 17. He was positioned as the “Luke” of the new generation and they killed him off in a heroic sacrifice.
Han and Leia became estranged.
Jacen Solo took up the mantle of Darth Caedus in his deluded mind to save the world from further war. He murdered his aunt, Mara Jade Skywalker.
He went after both his parents. Han gave up on Jacen.
Jaina Solo, his twin, had to fight and kill her brother to stop him. He doesn’t get “redeemed” but he does show concern for his daughter’s welfare and he still dies. At the end, Han and Leia live and raise Jacen’s daughter. Jaina is traumatized by what she had to do to her twin. Ben Skywalker, Luke’s son, is still alive. Luke is still alive.
As a EU fan, I bitched and complained about some of these plot points, mainly their execution, but I didn’t think it completely ruined character arcs! Did I like all their choices, no. But, even at the lowest point or even the least coherent point, I didn’t feel like the story had given up on these characters.
The Last Jedi made me feel dirty. It made me feel like I had naively fallen for a scam.
I am caught between being amused and wincing at the fact that Han and Leia can’t seem to stay together in any universe. And noooo Chewie…:( But yeah, even in the OT era, remember all the elaborate theories fans had about Vader between ANH and TESB? Fans love dramatic changes to the status quo and having their theories dashed. They just want it to be good.
There were even more change ups:
Han Solo for a short time was on the enemy side of another Civil War and his relationship with his family was strained.
Chewie died saving Anakin Solo, thus causing a rift between father and son that never really mended until it was too late and Anakin died.
Mara Jade was an assassin who was supposed to kill Luke Skywalker for the empire but she eventually fell in love with him.
Leia became a full fledged Jedi Knight, lightsaber and all.
Luke trained a new generation of Jedi and fought evil till the end, but Luke and his son were banned from helping the new Republic again.
The Empire returned under this blue fucker Admiral Thrawn and he was wrecking everybody.
Boba Fett escapes his own death, twice even, and returned to the planet Mandalore to unite the warrior culture and become one the EU’s most highly acclaimed characters.
The EU (Legends) vs Disney (Canon)
Even if you don’t know anything about the EU or think Disney had no reason to keep anything, everything Disney had they built it off of the EU.
Rey – She’s clearly based off of Ben Skywalker and Jaina Solo. Jaina Solo was a talented force user and pilot, as well as the one who had to kill her fallen brother to him. Ben Skywalker was pretty much the next hero of the franchise and trained under his father. That is why the Rey Solo/Skywalker theory exists.
Finn – He based of two characters as well. An imperial officer who would deflect from the Empire and become a Jedi. The second character is a Prince who is named Finn, which is why the royalty theory exists. His natural ability for battle also hints at a Mandalorion background since Mandalorions are warriors trained at birth because of their natural abilities.
Ben Solo/Kylo Ren – He is based off of Jacen Solo who adopted the name Darth Caedus when he fell to the Dark Side. Jacen was trained by Luke and became the biggest threat at one point before Jaina had to put him down.
That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Almost everything Star Wars is now was taken from the EU. There is a reason why fans of the old continuity take offense to this new Star Wars and the fans of it who don’t know anything about the EU.
Was it always perfect? No. There were many of times were things could of been done better or more satisfying, yet it still did amazing things.
It kept Star Wars alive and gave us stories people still love to this day. They also weren’t so damn annoying with their mystery and set the standard.
Luke Skywalker was very much like he was in the original trilogy, yet they explored and deconstruct it. Luke fell to the dark side, was almost murdered because he spared people, lost his wife and family members, students, and fought in battle after battle, only to keep getting hurt, yet he never gave up. Luke was the Superman of the EU. Not because he was godly powerful, yet because he refused to let evil win.
Han Solo made mistakes, became estranged from his wife and kids, even fighting on the wrong side of the war against the Republic. In the end though he always came back and did what was right. He stayed with Leia and never abandoned the fight.
Leia learned to become Jedi, helped run the republic, fought in wars, lost children, was almost killed so many times, yet through it all she remained strong and even at her lowest, refused to ever back down.
The EU created a new generation while continuing the stories of the old. They didn’t use the old characters to spring board the new characters.
The Skywalkers, Solos, and Organas had their children yet we had new original characters as well unrelated to them.
There is a reason we want Rey Skywalker/Solo – She is based of the children of Solo and Skywalker. She is almost an exact clone of Luke Skywalker and his story to the point of blatant plagiarism. And don’t even get me started about all hints that are dropped.
There is a reason why we want Mara Jade/Luke to have a wife and a kid (Rey). – Luke had a wife and child in the old canon and he still suffers, fight, but doesn’t give up. He fell in love, raised a child, trained the child and then to just take it all away and say we’re dumb for wanting Luke to have a shred of happiness is cruel and disrespectful to Luke.
The Reason we want Finn to be a Jedi or something meaningful – Finn’s entire background is based off of Imperial Officer turned Jedi, a Prince, and even shades of Mandalorions. The only argument as to why he shouldn’t be anything meaningful is because they want to keep pushing this nobody agenda.
Disney Star Wars is so focused on mysterious, bad subversion, and saying that even a nobody can do something heroic that their missing the biggest points.
Everyone is a Somebody
The whole point of Star Wars is that there are no nobodies. Everyone is a hero of their own story and special. They can become anything they wanted to be.
Boba Fett went from just a bounty hunter to the leader of an entire warrior culture. Luke is a farm boy turned Grand Jedi Master. There were no nobodies. Everyone mattered because Star Wars made them matter.
Subversion isn’t always the answer
The EU Luke never gave up , Han was always loyal, and Leia never lost her determination.
It wasn’t boring. It didn’t need to be subverted.
The characters grew and suffered yet they remain who they were at heart and never lost the lessons they learned in the original trilogy.
The EU isn’t better than Disney Star Wars because it was fan service, no. It was better because it did a service to the fans and the characters of the franchise.
The people who say that the Rose and Finn plotline was pointless are wrong, because that plotline–and Rose herself–are the thematic heart of the film.
When Rose arrives in Canto Bight, she tells Finn about the evil that thrives there, and how she wants to put a fist through the whole place. Leading a herd of fathiers through all the buildings does just that. And Finn says that this made their mission worthwhile, because it was a blow against the evil financiers that would “make them hurt.”
Only it won’t, really. A whole city full of unimaginably wealthy people? A few wrecked buildings aren’t going to affect them. They might have to give up a few drinks, maybe sell a piece of jewelry or two, and they’ll rebuild and live the same empty, evil lives as before. Rose and Finn have struck a blow against the evil forces, but it’s done no good.
Then, later, the conversation with the hacker questions Rose and Finn’s definition of evil. The supposedly evil financiers made just as much money selling weapons to the Resistance. Taking sides in the conflict is pointless, the hacker argues. They’re both the same, using violence and weapons to push their cause.
(“You blow them up today, they blow you up tomorrow.”)
In this framework, “good” and “evil” really only mean “on our side” or “not on our side”. So destroying evil–acting out of revenge or righteous indignation? It’s just destruction. It’s nowhere near synonymous with doing good.
Which is why Rose’s actions before leaving Canto Bight are so important. After wrecking the city she so desperately wanted to destroy, Rose unsaddles their fathier, sets it free, and proclaims that this is what made their mission worthwhile. The woman who wanted to destroy the city now realizes what an empty gesture it was. Making an evil person’s life miserable adds nothing good to the universe. Giving freedom to an innocent–acting out of compassion and kindness–that’s what really makes the universe better.
And that’s why Rose is the one to deliver the film’s core message. “We won’t win by fighting the things we hate, but by saving those we love”. Fighting can be necessary when you’re resisting an aggressive evil, but it’s important to keep your priorities straight. You can’t act out of anger or hatred, wanting to get revenge or “make them hurt.” You need to act out of love. You need to make compassion more important than destruction. Because the opposite of being evil isn’t fighting evil. The opposite of being evil is doing good.
This is such a hilariously bad take. The Resistance and the FO are equivalent because they use… bombs, which they buy from… people? But it’s okay when you blow people up out of love and not hate! Like when Holdo did it it was clearly out of love, while when Finn did it it was clearly out of hate. Because Reasons.
This “lesson” falls flat imo because in reality there is not a clear delineation between love and hate, and just in-movie because Rose just exposed a whole lot of people she and Finn both love to being killed.
I mean I get what the intent was but even the intent itself sucks, and the execution is just baffling.
As a Jew I’m going to have to vehemently disagree with all of this and I’m wondering if JJ wouldn’t do the same with him being Jewish too and all.
It’s really just a fancy and very long winded way of saying that if you punch a Nazi you’re as bad as a Nazi if you do it because you hate them.
It’s also such a suffocating Christian way of looking at things, no wonder they’re pro-TLJ. That’s the most aggressively Christian movie I’ve seen in long time.
Anyway, I can’t wait for JJ to come back and make the ST Jewish again so nonsense like this can by put an end to.
That very word, “hate,” in this context is already an obfuscation and dishonest conflation. To run with your example, “I hate Jews” is nowhere on the same level as “I hate Nazis.” The former is an unjust aggression against a group for an immutable or legitimate characteristic, the latter is a reaction to unjust aggression and a defense against total destruction. And yet you see people disingenuously saying “Don’t fight hate with hate” as though the two are the same thing. That’s literally what Rose is saying and it doesn’t work at all, at any level. It always reminds me of Yoda’s “fear is the path to the dark side” spiel. Hey, you miserable failure of an animatronic puppet, how did being told to suppress emotions work out for Anakin?
I should have said in my original addition, when I said there is no clear delineation between love and hate, that there is no clear delineation between defending what you love and destroying what you hate. Rose presented a false dichotomy. Finn hates the First Order because it is destroying what he loves–it is, at that very moment, intent on killing Poe, Leia, and every other survivor of the Resistance. The FO is also an enslaving, genocidal force that took everything from him. Hating it is not the same kind of “hate” that the FO leaders have. Hating and wanting to destroy it is entirely legitimate. What makes the scene even more nonsensical is that he was, in fact, acting to save what he loved and Rose… stopped him…? Leaving the remains of the Resistance wide open to annihilation while she gives him that speech? What??
(And no, I’m not saying Finn should have died ffs. A lot of viewers aren’t even sure he was on a suicide run, that’s how botched this scene was.)
Yeah. This is still a shit twist. Cuz thanks to her so many gems suffered. A whole line of Rose Quartz gems possibly will be shattered. And she used so many of her own gems to fake her death. What fabulous writing. -__-
Morally complex characters making dubious choices with bad consequences doesnt make the WRITING bad. Stories have conflict. Complex conflict isnt a bad thing, even if it is unusual in media for kids.
“Complex” fuck that noise. This was shit. This was the shittiest of shit that I’ve ever seen in a kids show. I’ve seen plenty of other cartoons do complex better. This was horrible. This was disgusting.
This show has HORRID writing for KIDS. Kids deserve BETTER THAN THIS. Especially when one of the messages is forgiveness. Especially when the creator wants the star to be friends with tyrants who kill gems for any perceived slight. That is BAD WRITING. This show has gone to utter shit a long time ago. Now it’s digging itself into a deeper hole. -__-
Look, Im not going to tell you how you should feel about this new revelation.
But from a writing perspective, it was well foreshadowed and consistent with what we have been shown before. Right now the show is really focusing on questions of how people can change, grappling with the past, and questions of agency. This plot development furthers these conversations, and I think it will be interesting to see where it goes.
You are allowed to not like it. That’s your opinion. But thats what it is. Your opinion.
It’s terrible writing and it’s a terrible idea. For crying out loud how good writing is it to have the freedom fighter be the tyrant that supposedly was murdered? It isn’t. It’s crap.
It’s just as horrible as Pearl emotionally manipulating Garnet (when the show remembers she’s more than just a fusion) or the times she’s almost killed Steven. Bismuth’s episode. Along with the gross ‘Zoo’ episode. This isn’t good writing.
That can be your opinion.
I disagree.
My issue with this isn’t that Rose/PD is a selfish narcissist, it’s that I’m not sure I trust the showrunners anymore to give this revelation the weight it deserves. Not after the way they handled the human zoo or the Bismuth episode. Not after the way they seem more interested in “humanizing” the Diamonds and Homeworld than their victims or just actively demonizing people who want to end their oppression. Some of the most empowering ideas in the show–that Pearl liberated herself, that you don’t have to be born a leader to be one–are proven to be lies and I’m not sure the show can salvage them.
If you don’t “humanize” villains, then there’s little to no reason that the audience should care about them as our antagonists? The fact that the Diamonds are somewhat sympathetic is a good thing, or else they’re just one-dimensional Big Bads. The fact that Blue feels so guilty about Pink’s “death” and has been grieving for thousands of years – the fact that Yellow grieves too but smothers that under work and a prickly exterior, these make our villains good characters. Villains who are just evil and that’s that are…boring.
I don’t really understand how you think the victims of homeworld haven’t been properly humanized, though. I mean…basically all of them except the new Off-Colors have had their own episodes to show how everything has affected them. I’m sure we’ll be getting their episodes once everyone finally gets back to Earth.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that Pearl’s liberation was completely thrown out by the reveal. Sure, Pearl never left her Diamond’s side, but she still evolved from a fancy coat rack to an absolutely stunning warrior. Pearl has still shown amazing amounts of growth, most of that being post-Rose. Yes, she still has a lot of “I’m a Pearl and I’m useless on my own” but she proves everyday that she’s more than capable regardless of her station and the wealth of trauma she’s endured.
But, then again, I also don’t really understand how the other episodes were handled poorly, so maybe I just don’t understand in general.
You seem to have forgotten that in the same episode that had a literal song and dance about how Sad the Diamonds were about Pink, the inhabitants of the human zoo–a historical crime committed against actual people btw–were treated as mostly jokes who didn’t have it too bad and then never brought up again. Also Bismuth was treated as a monster who needs to be locked up forever because she’s dangerous and incapable of reason but the Diamonds are just sad workaholics uwu. I don’t object to multidimensional villains, I object to their humanity being put over that of their victims.
I mean if you think liberation consists of being useful and capable of violence, you do you. I was thinking mostly about the fact that she was groomed and abused for thousands of years by someone who has an absolute psychological hold over her and the story we’d been sold about their “love” was a lie.
Hey like. No offense but can you not talk to me with such a condescending edge. This is Fandom talk.
I really don’t know what you mean with Bismuth because I didn’t see it like that at all. She was dangerous. She has extreme views. They were justified, and bubbling her away was not the best choice Pink made. But Pink did not want to shatter gems to defeat them. The Gems on earth were HER colony. Gems she worked with and watched over everyday. It was obvious by the dream sequence that Pink was trying everything she could think of to stop the destruction of earth. But she didn’t want to kill Gems. That’s why she had Bismuth design her sword in the first place. Besides, with new context, we don’t even know if The Breaking Point would have worked. We now know that a Diamond has never been shattered. Imagine Bismuth designing these weapons and some Crystal Gems go up against the Diamonds and nothing happens. They’re fucked. And Pink may have thought of that outcome and chosen the most extreme route to stop it.
Bismuth also, yknow, did try to kill Steven. So in that regard she’s not totally innocent there.
Also that wasn’t my point with Pearl at all, thanks. My point was her evolution of character. Just because she never left Pink doesn’t mean she never liberated herself. She still had the courage to go against the three other Diamonds who are obviously older and more powerful than Pink. She continued after Pink was gone.
Also… We have no idea what Pearl and Pink’s relationship was previous to the rebellion. We can’t say that Pearl was groomed and abused, we don’t know where she was or who she was with previous to Pink (if she wasn’t grown specifically for Pink), and we don’t know how Pink treated her except in context of Pearl being her right hand during everything. And by the way Pearl spoke freely to Pink in the reveal? Contrast that to the behavior of Yellow and Blue Pearl. Those relationships are not at all the same.
I’m just not interpreting things the same way as you, obviously, but that doesn’t make me incorrect. So kindly don’t talk to me like I have no idea what I’m talking about. Interpretation is a big part of media in general so like… All of us are just speaking opinions here and none of us are necessarily right.
When I said “you do you” I meant that–you don’t have to interpret things the same way I do. I’m not the one who came at you trying to “correct” you or whatever.
And when I said you seem to have forgotten I meant just that: you didn’t mention the prisoners in the human zoo as victims of the Diamonds despite my bringing them up directly in replying, which says something about the way the Crew handled them. (Re your tags, who said you didn’t know about human zoos lmao? I don’t read minds, thanks, and I mentioned it as extra context of why the show’s dismissive treatment of these characters was objectionable to me.)
You’re… literally repeating my exact points about Bismuth, except you’re making a Watsonian defense to a Doylist critique. @fandomsandfeminism on this very thread has a recent post about why that’s disingenuous. Yes, the writers chose to write Bismuth as a dangerous extremist who had to be locked away indefinitely for her own and others’ safety. And yes, the writers chose to have her almost kill Steven, framing her as a scarier immediate threat than colonialist overlords. I’m criticizing those choices.
Here’s what we do know about Pearl and Pink: Gems are created to serve the Diamonds. Pearls are tailor made for their masters. And one word from Pink had such an absolute hold over Pearl she could not speak for thousands of years about a subject Pink had forbade her to, despite wanting to for much of the show’s run, and had to use an elaborate ruse to get around the prohibition. I mean if you think a relationship with such an absolute power disparity can be healthy, again… you do you. And I mean that sincerely. Enjoy the show, I sure as hell ain’t stopping you.
I feel like I have to specify that when I say I hate Reylo I don’t mean people shouldn’t be able to ship whatever the hell they want, because I honestly could not care less. When I say that I hate Reylo what I mean is that there is an extremely vocal and offputting majority in the Reylo fandom that consistently puts forward meta-analysis of Star Wars–and more succinctly, Kylo Ren–that I find abhorrent, disgusting, delusional, and at worst regressive. I also mean, when I say I hate Reylo, that I hate the idea of Reylo being canon, because it would be shitty, stupid, regressive writing if it does.
Ship whatever you want and anyone who’s on you for it probably needs to get a life. But if you start openly advocating for abusive actions to be considered “romantic,” handwaving real critique of the source material, and posting “meta analysis” that’s deeply problematic you should probably be prepared for some backlash.
I do not care what you ship. Go, be free, write your beautiful fic and draw your beautiful fanart. But you can’t tell me not to care about toxicity in fandom and regressive writing in canon.
It’s also a sector of fandom that mimics one of the worst traits that fandom can have – the “big name” Reylo bloggers are the arbiters of all info that gets through to their followers about Star Wars, to the point where the Reylo fandom en masse believe things are canon that were literally just made-up fanon, but the BNFs who made it up dig in their heels because admitting that they aren’t all-knowing, or that their “analysis” of SW is insanely biased, would give their followers cause to doubt them and start thinking for themselves, looking at and listening to outside sources.
Reylo, like some other toxic ship fandoms – many of which aren’t even about ships that are themselves toxic! Reylo is, but like, there are toxic ship fandoms based on perfectly benign ships, too – is more about the shippers being venerated than the characters they claim to love. (Their complete disregard for Rey as a human person and protagonist is p much proof of that, but that’s not even the point here.) It isn’t a coincidence that almost every Bad Reylo Meta either was OP by, or based on a meta by, a handful of “in crowd” bloggers, and it DEFINITELY is not a coincidence that Reylos are obsessed with the idea of Being Right and the idea of Casting Out the Other, more than they are about actual fucking Star Wars.
There is a huge aspect of Reylo fandom that, like their OTP, is based on manipulation and gaslighting more than anything to do with actual content, and that’s 100% wrong and also deserves to be called out whenever it’s seen.
Like, part of why combating Bad Reylo Meta is a thing that needs to be done is not for the characters’ sake, but for the sake of younger and/or more vulnerable fangirls who worship the Big Reylo Bloggers and think that they’re genuinely smarter/more enlightened/“the only ones who really understand.” It’s absolutely fine to make up fanon about your ship. It’s absolutely normal when ships have cliques. I can even understand the normalcy of ship wars, even if I think they’re dumb as soup. But the way that Big Name Reylos rewrite the entire schema of the franchise and twist both SW canon and actual reality wrt the behavior of Kylo Ren – an INTENTIONALLY WRITTEN NEO-NAZI METAPHOR WHOSE FIRST INTERACTION WITH REY WAS STATED BY THE DIRECTOR TO BE A RAPE METAPHOR – is not normal.
It is not normal to care more about “Proving Antis Wrong” than just liking the thing you like. It’s not normal to be so virulently fearful and aggressive towards people who just don’t agree with your fave blogger’s bad meta made up based on nothing. And it’s not normal for a handful of bloggers to have such a stranglehold on not only their followers, but public discussion of the entire fandom.
Almost none of the SWST has actually unfolded, in canon, the way a handful of Big Name Reylos told their fans it did, but their version has spread like flat earth theory. And that’s not a coincidence, either. Batshit conspiracy theory and charismatic leaders who willfully mislead their followers go hand-in-hand.
Make that your Shitty Snoke Theory™. (Who, by the fucking by, DID NOT BRAINWASH KYLE FROM THE WOMB. THAT’S FANON.)
Yup. All it took was a couple BNF reylos to say that TLJ made the ship canon (contradicting the movie and everyone else who had seen the movie, even those who thought the force skype stuff was “sexy”), and a disturbingly large number of fans carved it into stone. There are fan spaces not meant to be dedicated reylo shippers spaces where you can not even have a conversation about Star Wars that isn’t centered on Reylo, because so many fans are 100% convinced that the entire trilogy is Kylo’s story and Kylo’s story ONLY, with Rey as an object belonging to him, whose purpose is to redeem him and fuck him. They 100% believe this is how it’s written, and any conversation about the ST that isn’t about Kylo/reylo or anything that can be used to prop it up is irrelevant and off-topic. Which is why talking about Rey’s relationship with Finn is seen as irrelevant to the story (contradicting the canon), but so is talking about Finn as an individual, developed character or speculating about his story independent of Rey.
More to the point, the fandom hyperfocuses on Kylo because he’s the one they can empathize with, even though he’s awful and has done shitty thing after shitty thing to Rey. The intensity of that empathy only spotlights their blatant lack of empathy for Finn, who the fandom by and large aggressively believes is only in the series as a comic relief (not true, even in TLJ, where the clear comic relief was Hux) and general buffoon. That empathy gap is a facet of systemic racism, so I don’t know why fans often hesitate to criticize Kylo Ren’s disproportionate popularity, not as a villain, but as the “real protagonist.”
It’s not only harmful, it drains a lot of the fun of the SW movie fandom, which was never about one character. Fans used to talk about every creature in the Cantina and Jabba’s Palace, every member of the Jedi Council. You could go on about Kit Fisto (a personal favorite from the prequels), and no one would get pissed that you weren’t paying attention to Anakin and Obi-Wan. This isn’t nostalgia, it’s noting the difference in the fandom’s behavior when the films were predominantly white and there was no need to aggressively insist that a white guy was at the center.
Honestly? i’m pretty sure nazis have infiltrated this fandom. Just straight up. given all the behaviours and the way they line up I feel this goes way, WAY beyond white prioritization, as disgusting as that behaviour alone is.
Nazis haven’t infiltrated the fandom. These are very mainstream attitudes that can be found in every fandom, as well as in irl communities, businesses and schools. It lets too many people off the hook to imply otherwise.
I can see why that’d wind up letting ppl off the hook -about the implications, cause then people would do the whole distancing thing and then shit wouldn’t get addressed at the root.. and yeah, these are sadly common behaviours across a lot of contexts -it’s just the way it’s so intensified in the sw fandom makes me highly–
Wait the thought just hit me. Yeah this is more a reflection of the rising trend of lashing out against the increase in and focus on Marginalized Characters in starring, non-sterotypical roles in media. Though I do still think it’s driven by general white supremacy/narcopathy.
The reason it feels so unusually intense is because it hasn’t been until recently that movies on the scale of Star Wars have centered on non-white-male characters. Like, Martha Jones in 2008 resulted in a big increase in visible fandom racism, but the 10th Doctor was still the main character. The same can be said for shows/films like Merlin, Being Human, Sleepy Hollow, Misfits, Start Trek, The Flash, Teen Wolf (maybe?), The Walking Dead (and I know I’m forgetting some)… there was still at least one white guy who was for real centered in the media.
Even with the Black Panther, being part of the MCU, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes (not to mention Everett Ross) are some of the most popular in its transformative fandom.
Star Wars came back and there is not a single young white male in the protagonist circle. There’s a precedent to fans glorifying villains like Loki (who, unlike Kylo Ren, was at least a fun and charismatic villain), but there isn’t a lot of precedent for a dominant contingent of a fandom to insist that water isn’t wet and the sky isn’t blue in order to not just woobify, but claim a villain is the hero.
Since so much of what they do involves re-framing the reality (ie the canon) to make Kylo, not Rey and certainly not Finn, the true hero and protagonist, most other fandoms would have them labeled tinhats or conspiracy theorists, but they’ve managed to become entirely mainstream. How? Like you said, they’re “lashing out against the increase in and focus on Marginalized Characters in starring, non-sterotypical roles in media.” It is white supremacy. The only difference between white supremacy and white prioritization is that the former is associated with the white white hoods and extremism people use to distance themselves from the issue.
Man of the moment Keanu Reeves has shown his generosity by giving away £50 million of his earnings from the Matrix sequels. The 38-year-old decided to hand over the money to the unsung heroes of the sci-fi blockbusters – the costume and special effects teams.
*fistbump*
Confirmed. He’s also dumped millions into cancer research. I really do love Keanu Reeves a lot.
Keanu Reeves is like the nicest person. He still lives in an apartment/flat and he gives most of his money away to charities and people who need it. He even invites some paparazzi people to sit down and eat with him when he’s at a coffee shop or restaurant. He’s such a nice person.
When I was working on the UWS, one of my delivery guys accidentally backed his scooter into a parked car in front of the restaurant. I went out to help, since the driver didn’t speak much English, and it turned out the car belonged to Keanu Reeves. He helped us pick the scooter up, and when I asked if we could exchange insurance information (because the front of the car was pretty banged up), he kept telling us not to worry about it and put his hand on the driver’s shoulder and said “I just want to make sure you’re okay, man. Are you okay?” And he was so sincere about it and so kind that I decided in that moment I would always defend Keanu Reeves at all costs. He is an excellent man.
I need to be more like Keanu Reeves because I’m evil compared to him.
“Next few centuries”
Keanu dropping hints that he is an immortal.
i love keanu reeves
My wife and I were dining at Nobu’s in Honolulu and sitting across from us was Keanu or at least I thought it was. We kept talking about whether it was him or not and finally, I decided to throw some old school Bill & Ted at him.
I stood up and threw my arms up into the motion of an air guitar, my wife is begging me to sit back down, and I pointed at the guy who may be Keanu Reeves, and said, “Most Excellent.”
He stood up and did it back at me. Then we both had a moment and pointed at each other. I sent him another of whatever it was he was drinking. It was a cucumber sake martini. That was the end of it.
Or so I thought.
He left before we finished our meal. By the time we were done, dessert came that we didn’t order. We thought, “oh, must be compliments of the chef.” Then the bill never came. When we asked for it, our waitress said Keanu Reeves took care of it.
IT WAS REALLY HIM. And he left a note. It said, “thanks for the refresh. Keanu.”
When I finally saw him again years later, because of work. I brought it up. Then he air guitar and said, “most excellent. I remember. At Nobu’s. Thanks for the drink.” We chatted a bit and I got an autograph for my mum because she’s a huge Keanu fan. Then that was that.
What a moment.
An angel
And he does a lot of anti human trafficking work iirc. Seems like a really awesome guy.
Back when I first moved to NYC, I got a job as a theater usher. We were all young, 18-20 or so, and it was heavily impressed upon us that we needed to treat the theatergoers with TOTAL respect at ALL times or risk our jobs. As such, we were all totally underprepared for the drunk guy who tried to steal a bottle of wine from the lobby bar during intermission. We were trying to politely get the bottle back, but he was growing loud and belligerent. Since the second act was now starting, this was a countdown to all of us being in trouble.
Then Keanu walks up. Calmly charms the guy. Slips the usher behind the bar cash to cover the bottle, without the guy even noticing, and walks him back in to his seat like it’s a normal thing he does every day. He didn’t know the guy, didn’t know any of us, but effortlessly deescalated the situation and quite probably saved some jobs that night.
Just saw the extended version of The Handmaiden and it was worth every single minute. It wasn’t always easy to watch, as per @jewishcomeradebot’s warning, particularly when the story moved to Hideko’s viewpoint. But it was a beautifully crafted story with a happy ending and I loved it.
Spoilers abound from this point onward. TW sexual abuse, suicide
Sook-Hee and Hideko’s first night together was both heartrendingly moving and hilariously funny–funny, in large part, because they had to rely on the paper figure (in so many ways) of Count Fujiwara to initiate sex at all. Of course, the humor works only because of a darker underlying truth; that women are so socialized to see themselves as objects of pleasure and not agents in their own pleasure, that these women had to invoke the male gaze and male pleasure in order to fulfill their own desire for each other.
Having her sexuality subsumed by the male gaze was especially and brutally true for Hideko, of course, who was groomed and abused from childhood to perform the fantasy of men against her will. As Fujiwara points out jocularly to Kouzuki, but with deadly seriousness, she was so well trained she had no desire of her own left. Isn’t her treatment just a grotesquely amplified version of how women are “trained” under patriarchy, though?
This is one reason Hideko’s masturbating before Fujiwara on their “first night” shows how she has changed by claiming her own feelings and desire with Sook-Hee. Rather than perform Fujiwara’s fantasy for him as she had before, she invites him to be a spectator of her own sexual pleasure instead. Hideko’s flashing the knife at Fujiwara before she gets into bed has several layers of meaning. Korean audiences would recognize the symbolism immediately, because highborn Korean women traditionally carried silver-decorated knives to kill themselves with in the event of threatened rape. Much like the act of refusing sex with him, the knife was symbolic of her fidelity to Sook-Hee–though that symbolism would have been lost on Fujiwara and likely on Hideko herself, who was not a Korean woman. She and Fujiwara would have intended and received it as a threat to him if he tried anything. And, of course, it was a continuation of the ruse on Fujiwara, that Sook-Hee was still their unknowing mark.
There’s another level of the masturbation scene that really gets to me: In addition to being a power move on Hideko’s part, it was also an act of intimacy toward him. It was revealing in a way the sex shows she was forced to perform for him and the other guests never could be, because as abusive as those performances were she also revealed nothing of herself in them. As Fujiwara himself commented, she was trained to the point of being dead inside. By refusing to do his desire but instead showing him her own, she had revealed herself more fully to him than she ever had before–as a person with her own will and her own pleasure that had nothing to do with him. If he had realized what it meant and taken the gesture as offered, if he had accepted her as an equal human being and not an object for possession, then his story could have ended very differently.
On that note, I’ll discuss the tragedy of “Count Fujiwara” in the next reblog.
The tragedy of “Count Fujiwara,” of course, begins with the fact that both words are lies. I couldn’t find any source on this character’s actual name, and I suspect that’s the point. The lie has consumed the man so thoroughly that nothing is left of the original identity except the shame of his origin.
I suspect that the man who became Fujiwara, the illegitimate son of a Jeju Island servant and shaman, had no name. At best it would have been something demeaning like “dog turd.” I don’t know if I can even convey to non-Koreans the crushing lowliness of Fujiwara’s background. His father was a servant, which meant pretty much functionally a slave or at best a destitute manual laborer. His mother was a shaman, which carried some spiritual power but also meant she was despised as spiritually unclean and sexually loose living outside the bounds of patriarchy.
And his parents weren’t just lowlives, they were lowlives from Jeju Island. To the extent people outside of Korea know about the place they think of it as a tourist hotspot, but traditionally it meant poor farmland, crushing poverty, and a distinctive culture that was systematically marginalized and destroyed. Jeju Islanders were crushed underfoot by the mainlanders, and the Japanese happily carried on the exploitation; due to the geographical proximity, Jeju Islanders were taken away en masse to be forced laborers in Japan and elsewhere during the Pacific War. The brutality didn’t end with liberation from Japanese occupation, either. It was the Korean military and right-wing militias sanctioned by them who slaughtered and tortured civilian islanders from 1947 (two years after liberation) to 1954 (after the Korean War) while the U.S. military government looked the other way.
That’s the kind of place Jeju Island occupied in Korean history. That’s the context–endless poverty, marginalization, exploitation, and violence. Fujiwara reinvented himself from the ground up, wiping away that boy who was dirt or turd, the lowest of the low.
(It’s worth noting that the gold mine Kouzuki got in exchange for selling out his country was in Hamkyung Province, which is on the opposite end as Jeju Island–in the far north to the Island’s far south. Hamkyung is another poor and heavily exploited area, and has suffered badly under North Korean rule as well. The cruelty of Japanese occupation reached across the whole of Korea, in other words, and continues in the hands of the Korean elite both North and South.)
I hope this background places Kouzuki’s torture of Fujiwara in perspective as well. Here was a Korean collaborator of Japanese rule who had made his fortune off the explotation of his countrymen, mutilating and torturing a man from one of the worst-affected areas. Much like Kouzuki’s favored transport of riding on a traditional Korean A-frame carried on a Korean servant’s back, the torture scene was a microcosm of that oppression.
The genius of The Handmaiden, of course, and what makes Park an incisive commentator instead of a dull macho nationalist, is that Fujiwara is a villain. The movie resists the extremely easy exit of making Fujiwara the noble sufferer and Kouzuki his diabolic tormentor. Nope, actually, they are ideological twins. Fujiwara is a misogynist and rapist who approached Hideko with the promise of freedom only to try and lock her in another cage, who used Sook-Hee’s trust to not only deprive her of her freedom but kill her in captivity. His attempted violations might not be as outlandish as Kouzuki’s, but are just as horrific.
Fujiwara, then, is the marginalized man who, in the face of exploitation and brutalization, chooses to exploit and brutalize women in turn for his own gain. You see him in just about any community that is targeted by discrimination.
Fujiwara’s real tragedy is that he was actually halfway there to true liberation. When he told Hideko he was no Japanese nobleman but the son of a Jeju Island servant, that was a mirror image of Hideko masturbating in front of him on their marriage night. They both revealed their most vulnerable selves, their deepest secrets to each other and that could have been the basis of a powerful alliance. They could have set Sook-Hee free and plotted Kouzuki’s downfall together. He could have had Hideko’s friendship and respect, something he would have valued if he had seen her as a person in her own right.
Instead Fujiwara chose to become Kouzuki. Rather than challenge the oppressive structures of racism and sexism he wanted to climb it to the top. He didn’t hate the fact that Koreans were discriminated against; he hated the fact that he was Korean, one despised even by other Koreans. He didn’t hate the fact that Hideko was Kouzuki’s prisoner; he wanted to make her his own prisoner.
Still, he was tantalizingly close to being an actual liberator. He was the one who gave Hideko the opium as the ultimate out should Kouzuki get his hands on her. The fact that she ended up using it against Fujiwara instead, of course, showed how he had taken Kouzuki’s place as her would-be abuser.
It’s telling that Fujiwara had prepared the same exit for himself as he had for Hideko, and it’s also telling how limited his imagination was, as was hers: For both of them the plan of last resort was self-destruction. The structures of brutality were so ironbound, so absolute, that it was easier to destroy themselves than the system. Sook-Hee was the only one who had the imagination to smash the structure itself in destroying the books that were the instruments of Hideko’s abuse, Sook-Hee who was the life her mother had stolen from the iron grip of death, who was the victory that great thief had smiled over.
It’s fitting that Fujiwara killed Kouzuki, then, and doubly fitting that he killed himself in the process. A victim of the occupation destroyed his oppressor, but death struck them both because symbolically they were the same by this point, both of them racist, misogynistic abusers.
It is in this context that Fujiwara’s last line is both comical and deeply sad. “At least I got to keep my dick.” He had nothing else at this point, no future, no freedom, and only a few more moments to live, but at least he was still a man in his own eyes. As long as he had that he had something to hold onto.
The tragedy of Fujiwara is that he chose to hold onto the domination his idea of manhood symbolized to him rather than taking Hideko’s and Sook-Hee’s hands in friendship. But then again I suspect that, to him, standing in solidarity with women really would have felt like losing his dick.
“Truscum/transmeds are the only ones who really care about trans people.”
Never mind that that’s not true; it’s outright manipulation of vulnerable people.
anyway, skye is a boy and i support him way fucking more than i would ever support truscum
I fixed it.
@vince-dafreak anyway you dont get to play god and decide peoples gender for them and you being a trans man doesnt give you authority over others peoples presentations and identities!
THANK YOU FOR FIXING THIS POST YOU’RE BLESSED
Truscums: wants you to hate yourself and kiss cis people’s asses
Trans people: want you to love yourself, dysphoric or little dysphoria
reblogging for the fixed editions.
Support all trans people. Not just the ones you think look right.
Not our job to decide what somone else’s gender identity is. It’s for them to decide.
This post has been improved 1000% since the first time I saw it
Not that dysphoria is necessary for being trans and also truscum can go fuck themselves, but even on their own terms the OP was saying Skye has dysphoria? I mean it literally says in the picture he got a binder.
Also this idea that being transgender has to be some kind of sickness or suffering seems transphobic of itself. Many trans people do have dysphoria, but being trans is not inherently some sort of curse, like wtf. Notice how OP says being cisgender is great but has nothing good to say about being transgender.
yeah basically. tho someone can have a binder without being dysphoric, sometimes, it’s a big hint. cuz that stuff is costy and hurts ur back lol u dont wear it for fun but for comfort, yeah.
and frankly dysphoria being caused by being misgendered and having our gender mocked and invalidated (by ppl like op, for example), it comes and goes. we’re not born with it but it happens to grow too often, and it doesn’t go away with transitionning like truscums love to lie about to reassure themselves. only self-love, and therapy when too serious, help.
nerdgul, seraph-s, you’re the real deals out here. the edit of the original image looks better than it, ffs.
and skye is basically saying the same thing as damian but with less words but okay.
et vince, ducon de mes pompes pourries, il serait temps d’arrêter d’être un lèche-cul fragile de la sofec, hein !!!
Good info, thank you. Also there’s the blatant gender role policing and cissexism in the op, like “you must be THIS masculine and also pass as cis to be a real man.” It’s such a mess on all levels.
“Truscum/transmeds are the only ones who really care about trans people.”
Never mind that that’s not true; it’s outright manipulation of vulnerable people.
anyway, skye is a boy and i support him way fucking more than i would ever support truscum
I fixed it.
@vince-dafreak anyway you dont get to play god and decide peoples gender for them and you being a trans man doesnt give you authority over others peoples presentations and identities!
THANK YOU FOR FIXING THIS POST YOU’RE BLESSED
Truscums: wants you to hate yourself and kiss cis people’s asses
Trans people: want you to love yourself, dysphoric or little dysphoria
reblogging for the fixed editions.
Support all trans people. Not just the ones you think look right.
Not our job to decide what somone else’s gender identity is. It’s for them to decide.
This post has been improved 1000% since the first time I saw it
Not that dysphoria is necessary for being trans and also truscum can go fuck themselves, but even on their own terms the OP was saying Skye has dysphoria? I mean it literally says in the picture he got a binder.
Also this idea that being transgender has to be some kind of sickness or suffering seems transphobic of itself. Many trans people do have dysphoria, but being trans is not inherently some sort of curse, like wtf. Notice how OP says being cisgender is great but has nothing good to say about being transgender.