aimmyarrowshigh:

morethanonepage:

lj-writes:

(From the start of Chapter 8 in the TLJ novelization)

The TLJ novelization continues to have these little irritating moments. Why would Leia be a mentor to Kes OR Shara? They were similar in age, I think Kes and Shara might actually have been older, and Shara partook in missions along with both Luke and Leia. They outranked her and she took orders from them, certainly, but that’s a far cry from being a “mentor.”

THANKS I HATE IT.

#oh yeah look who DEFINITELY read BTA and based all the poe characterization on it /sarcasm #also not great writing tbh – who was it learning to push starfighters to their limits and beyond those limits #poe or leia? #i mean i have assume poe bc RECKLESS BADBOY PILOT (gross) but also idk man #also yeah GROSS a MENTOR
#just continuing the super fun trend of brown people being supporting players of the skywalkers AT BEST (via @morethanonepage)

ANYWAY Kes was the ONLY PERSON IN THE REBEL ALLIANCE who Han
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respected besides Leia, Chewie, and maybe Luke or Lando depending on the day. Like. If anyone mentored anyone, it would have been Kes mentoring Han.

As for the Confusing Womenfolk who Rilo Totally Respects Because He Wrote A Feminist Film That Absolutely Stands Up To Feminist Critical Readings And Isn’t At All Objectifying, Minimizing, Ridiculous Bullshit –

Shara literally saved Leia’s ass anD THE ENTIRE PLANET OF NABOO. As the only truly battle-trained pilot in the air during the fail-safe kill-switch genocide that Palpatine had set up meant to destroy the entire planetary system, climactically, which, yk, one would think would make it pretty hard to fly.

Like, yes: it seems from Leia’s condolence letter to Kes after Shara’s death that the two families were probably in contact, at least casually (and probably politically, since the Damerons settled on Yavin IV and afaik the main group of colonists who’d settled there prior were the last remaining Alderaanian refugees under Evaan, and Leia probably had interest in how things were going on Yavin IV in general?) but how the FUCK does that suggest either Kes or Shara needed MENTORSHIP?

I adore Leia with my heart and soul, but she… doesn’t share any skillset with either Kes or Shara that they’d look to her for mentorship, unless we’re going to learn about Shara’s life settled on Yavin IV as a junior senator or something, but like, one would… think that in a franchise, we’d’ve… heard that by now… then again, it’s Star Wars and she’s a woman, so. But like??

She isn’t a Pathfinder. She isn’t a fighter pilot.
What does Leia know about ranching???  Like, I GUESS she has experience with agriforming a settlement because of her work resettling the Wobani refugees on Alderaan but again, that would be more between Leia and Evaan than Leia and either Kes or Shara. Kes and Shara are independent ranchers. They’re competent and self-sufficient adult human beings who were married with a kid while Leia was still yelling at Han in icy hallways.

THEY WERE JUST ADULT EQUALS AND AQUAINTA-FRIENDS, DAMMIT.

GODDAMMIT FRYLO (Fry and Rilo Jon, natch).

Discussions of sex and sexual activity below

Okay but remember that awful reylow meta about how the mini-Death Star cannon splitting open the cave door on Crait was about Kyle and Rey having sex and breaking her symbolic “hymen?” (FYI the hymen is fake, a fact even the meta author had the decency to acknowledge.) Remember also, even leaving aside the disturbingly violent sexual imagery, how it doesn’t work at all because Rey never even set foot in the cave? What is Finn in this scenario, a safe-sex activist and rape prevention warrior? As if he weren’t already awesome enough…😍

However, and I’ve been thinking about this for WAY TOO LONG and I have to share, if the cave symbolizes any kind of sex it has to be about Rey pegging Finn??

I mean the Resistance run to the “back door” of the cave, as does Rey, and what do they find?

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Tons and tons of rock blocking the entrance, making it, shall we say, impenetrable.

And then what does Rey do in her climactic display of Jedi powers?

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She gets the rocks out of the back door, freeing it up.

Then, of course, she and Finn come together in a joyous reunion hug.

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In short, the cave escape scene was about Rey lovingly giving Finn an enema and then pegging that ass all night long thank you for coming to my TED talk

jewishcomeradebot:

“Hope is not lost today, it is found.”

This is a line Maz says in one of the TFA trailers and it has got me thinking.

Obviously there was lines recorded for the trailers that was not in the movies and never was intended to be there, but this line is odd. We have nothing in that trailer, any trailer, that indicates that hope should in any way be lost.

But one thing that has bothered me about TFA is that we’re never allowed to see Leia have much in the way of a reaction to Han being murdered and none at all to the fact her son has just embraced the Dark Side with a certain finality. While JJ is far from perfect as a storyteller it felt incredibly sloppy given that Han’s murder and Kylo’s confirmation of his turn was a pretty major plot point.

So why nothing?

Maybe because Rian claimed he was going to deal with it and JJ cut it out. (He didn’t at all for Han’s death and only in a minor way about Leia accepting Kylo’s turn, but that’s neither here nor there for this.)

But what if Leia did have such a scene? What if she had a conversation with someone about what had happened and that her hope now seemed in vain with Han dead – and only because she asked him to bring Ben back home – and her son firmly ensconced in the Dark Side? 

What if that person was Maz?

We know that Leia and Maz had at least one scene together as we see it in the trailer, where Maz hands over Anakin’s old lightsaber to Leia, but it never appeared in the movie.

In such a scene, with that context, Maz’s line suddenly makes a shit ton of sense if she tells it to Leia. That hope has not been lost just because Leia’s son has decided he wants power more than he wants love. No, it is found. 

In our heroes. 

In the young man who defied all odds to escape the First Order and then defied them again to save the young woman he had come to care for. In that same young woman who found the courage to take a stand because she’d finally found someone who cared for her after a life time worth of loneliness.

It would cement that Leia’s hope no longer lies with her biological son, but with Finn and Rey. That the two of them, along with Poe, is where she will put her hope.

That makes sense to me, since I think the only thing that’s really dire enough in TFA for anyone to consider hope to be lost is Kylo Ren killing Han Solo. This would simply have been confirmation for what’s been going on the whole movie, with Han’s death striking the final blow: the descendant of the Skywalkers has turned against everything Luke, Leia, and Han stood for, while these two kids who came from nowhere are continuing their legacy. JJ did say it’s very intentional that neither Finn nor Rey has a last name, maybe this was what he meant.

lj-writes:

lj-writes:

lj-writes:

Just saw the extended version of The Handmaiden and it was worth every single minute. It wasn’t always easy to watch, as per @jewishcomeradebot’s warning, particularly when the story moved to Hideko’s viewpoint. But it was a beautifully crafted story with a happy ending and I loved it.

Spoilers abound from this point onward. TW sexual abuse, suicide

Sook-Hee and Hideko’s first night together was both heartrendingly moving and hilariously funny–funny, in large part, because they had to rely on the paper figure (in so many ways) of Count Fujiwara to initiate sex at all. Of course, the humor works only because of a darker underlying truth; that women are so socialized to see themselves as objects of pleasure and not agents in their own pleasure, that these women had to invoke the male gaze and male pleasure in order to fulfill their own desire for each other.

Having her sexuality subsumed by the male gaze was especially and brutally true for Hideko, of course, who was groomed and abused from childhood to perform the fantasy of men against her will. As Fujiwara points out jocularly to Kouzuki, but with deadly seriousness, she was so well trained she had no desire of her own left. Isn’t her treatment just a grotesquely amplified version of how women are “trained” under patriarchy, though?

This is one reason Hideko’s masturbating before Fujiwara on their “first night” shows how she has changed by claiming her own feelings and desire with Sook-Hee. Rather than perform Fujiwara’s fantasy for him as she had before, she invites him to be a spectator of her own sexual pleasure instead. Hideko’s flashing the knife at Fujiwara before she gets into bed has several layers of meaning. Korean audiences would recognize the symbolism immediately, because highborn Korean women traditionally carried silver-decorated knives to kill themselves with in the event of threatened rape. Much like the act of refusing sex with him, the knife was symbolic of her fidelity to Sook-Hee–though that symbolism would have been lost on Fujiwara and likely on Hideko herself, who was not a Korean woman. She and Fujiwara would have intended and received it as a threat to him if he tried anything. And, of course, it was a continuation of the ruse on Fujiwara, that Sook-Hee was still their unknowing mark.

There’s another level of the masturbation scene that really gets to me: In addition to being a power move on Hideko’s part, it was also an act of intimacy toward him. It was revealing in a way the sex shows she was forced to perform for him and the other guests never could be, because as abusive as those performances were she also revealed nothing of herself in them. As Fujiwara himself commented, she was trained to the point of being dead inside. By refusing to do his desire but instead showing him her own, she had revealed herself more fully to him than she ever had before–as a person with her own will and her own pleasure that had nothing to do with him. If he had realized what it meant and taken the gesture as offered, if he had accepted her as an equal human being and not an object for possession, then his story could have ended very differently.

On that note, I’ll discuss the tragedy of “Count Fujiwara” in the next reblog.

The tragedy of “Count Fujiwara,” of course, begins with the fact that both words are lies. I couldn’t find any source on this character’s actual name, and I suspect that’s the point. The lie has consumed the man so thoroughly that nothing is left of the original identity except the shame of his origin.

I suspect that the man who became Fujiwara, the illegitimate son of a Jeju Island servant and shaman, had no name. At best it would have been something demeaning like “dog turd.” I don’t know if I can even convey to non-Koreans the crushing lowliness of Fujiwara’s background. His father was a servant, which meant pretty much functionally a slave or at best a destitute manual laborer. His mother was a shaman, which carried some spiritual power but also meant she was despised as spiritually unclean and sexually loose living outside the bounds of patriarchy.

And his parents weren’t just lowlives, they were lowlives from Jeju Island. To the extent people outside of Korea know about the place they think of it as a tourist hotspot, but traditionally it meant poor farmland, crushing poverty, and a distinctive culture that was systematically marginalized and destroyed. Jeju Islanders were crushed underfoot by the mainlanders, and the Japanese happily carried on the exploitation; due to the geographical proximity, Jeju Islanders were taken away en masse to be forced laborers in Japan and elsewhere during the Pacific War. The brutality didn’t end with liberation from Japanese occupation, either. It was the Korean military and right-wing militias sanctioned by them who slaughtered and tortured civilian islanders from 1947 (two years after liberation) to 1954 (after the Korean War) while the U.S. military government looked the other way.

That’s the kind of place Jeju Island occupied in Korean history. That’s the context–endless poverty, marginalization, exploitation, and violence. Fujiwara reinvented himself from the ground up, wiping away that boy who was dirt or turd, the lowest of the low.

(It’s worth noting that the gold mine Kouzuki got in exchange for selling out his country was in Hamkyung Province, which is on the opposite end as Jeju Island–in the far north to the Island’s far south. Hamkyung is another poor and heavily exploited area, and has suffered badly under North Korean rule as well. The cruelty of Japanese occupation reached across the whole of Korea, in other words, and continues in the hands of the Korean elite both North and South.)

I hope this background places Kouzuki’s torture of Fujiwara in perspective as well. Here was a Korean collaborator of Japanese rule who had made his fortune off the explotation of his countrymen, mutilating and torturing a man from one of the worst-affected areas. Much like Kouzuki’s favored transport of riding on a traditional Korean A-frame carried on a Korean servant’s back, the torture scene was a microcosm of that oppression.

The genius of The Handmaiden, of course, and what makes Park an incisive commentator instead of a dull macho nationalist, is that Fujiwara is a villain. The movie resists the extremely easy exit of making Fujiwara the noble sufferer and Kouzuki his diabolic tormentor. Nope, actually, they are ideological twins. Fujiwara is a misogynist and rapist who approached Hideko with the promise of freedom only to try and lock her in another cage, who used Sook-Hee’s trust to not only deprive her of her freedom but kill her in captivity. His attempted violations might not be as outlandish as Kouzuki’s, but are just as horrific.

Fujiwara, then, is the marginalized man who, in the face of exploitation and brutalization, chooses to exploit and brutalize women in turn for his own gain. You see him in just about any community that is targeted by discrimination.

Fujiwara’s real tragedy is that he was actually halfway there to true liberation. When he told Hideko he was no Japanese nobleman but the son of a Jeju Island servant, that was a mirror image of Hideko masturbating in front of him on their marriage night. They both revealed their most vulnerable selves, their deepest secrets to each other and that could have been the basis of a powerful alliance. They could have set Sook-Hee free and plotted Kouzuki’s downfall together. He could have had Hideko’s friendship and respect, something he would have valued if he had seen her as a person in her own right.

Instead Fujiwara chose to become Kouzuki. Rather than challenge the oppressive structures of racism and sexism he wanted to climb it to the top. He didn’t hate the fact that Koreans were discriminated against; he hated the fact that he was Korean, one despised even by other Koreans. He didn’t hate the fact that Hideko was Kouzuki’s prisoner; he wanted to make her his own prisoner.

Still, he was tantalizingly close to being an actual liberator. He was the one who gave Hideko the opium as the ultimate out should Kouzuki get his hands on her. The fact that she ended up using it against Fujiwara instead, of course, showed how he had taken Kouzuki’s place as her would-be abuser. 

It’s telling that Fujiwara had prepared the same exit for himself as he had for Hideko, and it’s also telling how limited his imagination was, as was hers: For both of them the plan of last resort was self-destruction. The structures of brutality were so ironbound, so absolute, that it was easier to destroy themselves than the system. Sook-Hee was the only one who had the imagination to smash the structure itself in destroying the books that were the instruments of Hideko’s abuse, Sook-Hee who was the life her mother had stolen from the iron grip of death, who was the victory that great thief had smiled over.

It’s fitting that Fujiwara killed Kouzuki, then, and doubly fitting that he killed himself in the process. A victim of the occupation destroyed his oppressor, but death struck them both because symbolically they were the same by this point, both of them racist, misogynistic abusers.

It is in this context that Fujiwara’s last line is both comical and deeply sad. “At least I got to keep my dick.” He had nothing else at this point, no future, no freedom, and only a few more moments to live, but at least he was still a man in his own eyes. As long as he had that he had something to hold onto.

The tragedy of Fujiwara is that he chose to hold onto the domination his idea of manhood symbolized to him rather than taking Hideko’s and Sook-Hee’s hands in friendship. But then again I suspect that, to him, standing in solidarity with women really would have felt like losing his dick.

Addendum: I since discovered that Fujiwara’s real name, his Korean one, is Goh Pandol. It’s on his passport that Hideko was using. Goh is a common surname on Jeju Island, and Pandol means a wide, flat rock in Korean. It’s not a very dignified name at all, and suits his low birth. Director Park Chan-Wook has said that the name was specifically meant to be comical and not very thought-out, and that Pandol was not a very cherished son to his parents (Korean link).

Remember that time Ren called Finn a traitor? And how fandom gleefully echoes it?

I want Finn to throw that back in his face the next time they meet in battle. Only it wouldn’t be screamed like a tantrum in the midst of his own self-doubt and projection, but calm and matter-of-fact with the weight of truth and conviction.

“Let’s go… traitor.”

Supreme Leader Kylo Ren, Master of the Knights of Ren, a base traitor to his family name, to the New Republic, to the Jedi, to Han, to Leia, to Luke, to Lando, to Poe, even to Rey, to everyone who ever loved him and believed in him and gave him second and third chances long after he had ceased to deserve them. He had the gall to try and stick Finn with that epithet. Well, let Finn pay it back with interest.

Let Kylo Ren be brought down for his treachery and go down for all time in infamy. Let Finn be the one to label him correctly and remove his threat to the galaxy.

themandalorianwolf:

awesomeswimmer21:

themandalorianwolf:

vaderey:

themandalorianwolf:

I’d like to see Rey happy at the end of the Sequel Duology

And I don’t mean like her being happy about a relationship or her being happy because the war is over…..

I want to see Rey happy with herself and where her life is at. Back in TFA we saw that Rey really wasn’t happy with her life. There was a sense of longing and emptiness that seemed to always be around her when she was on Jakku.

Remember that shot in TFA of Rey looking lonely and lost?

It’d be nice near the end of IX, if JJ gave Rey a chance to silently reflect on her life and the changes it’s gone through.

Imagine Rey is on Coruscant in a rebuilt Jedi council room. The war is over, her loved ones are safe, and Rey, Jedi Master, dressed in clean, warm robes, takes a seat and looks out as the sun rises on the busy world. Her face is content and for the first time in many years, Rey feels at home and fulfilled.

I don’t just wanna see Rey happy for a moment. I wanna know that at the end of this, she’s happy with herself and her life, because she’s earned that.

If there’s one thing I want Rey to find above all else, it’s happiness.

I think what’s most important for Rey is to be happy with her choices and where they’ve taken her. In her life before she was stuck. She had shackled herself to Jakku waiting for someone to come back to her. And she pretended that it was okay, that she was happy there. That as long as they came back for her it would be worth it, but I think deep down she knew she was wasting her life away on a dream she had no control over. 

In that shot of her she’s watching an old woman do the same thing she is. And I’m sure she’s wondering, will that be me? Will I be stuck here forever waiting on something that never comes.

But then BB-8 rolls into her life. And she makes a choice to help him. To not sell him for rations. And then she meets Finn. This boy she thinks is a Resistance fighter, living in a world she can only dream of beyong Jakku. And she makes the choice to help him. And make no mistakes these are choices. She could’ve sold BB-8, she could’ve returned to Jakku without helping them,  but she didn’t because she knew she wanted more. And finally she makes a choice when she calls for Luke’s lightsaber. A choice to accept this destiny that is so much larger than herself, that she’s terrified of and doesn’t understand. But still she chooses it. And she chooses to go find Luke, to understand herself.

And in the end I want Rey to be glad she did. To look back on those choices and be grateful she made them because now she’s no longer waiting for life to find her. She’s found it herself and she’s sought out her own happiness. I want her to acknowledge that she brought herself to this point and be proud.

Agreed!

I always hated the argument that Rey wasn’t an active protagonist or she had no objective.

Rey’s objective was to find where she belonged. That’s why the shot of Rey’s face after Leia told hey may the force be with you, mattered so much.

In TFA and Rey’s survival guide we learn that Rey had always dreamed and learned about these heroes of the past and she use to pretend to be one. She even keeps an old Rebellion helmet and still wears it. Rey wanted to feel like she had a purpose, to feel like her life had meaning beyond just being a scavenger.

And by the end of TFA she’s found her purpose, and she’s become a hero in her own right.

That’s why whenever I think about Rey and her unanswered questions, I just think back to Daisy’s words on how she felt like Rey had already accepted her status as hero and who her parents were, even if we didn’t understand at the time.

So yeah VII and IX are all I know

That’s one of the reasons why I get so annoyed when people act like RJ was so ingenious with the arcs he chose for the characters. For Rey, it was for her to let go of the past and realize that she didn’t need to rely on these other characters (Luke and Kylo) to be the hero. She was somebody and could be the hero herself.

But like you said, this was already explored and basically resolved in TFA. So RJ essentially just ripped off the arcs JJ already did for the characters, but did it worse!

@awesomeswimmer21 that’s exactly what he did

I said once that everyone from Luke, Finn, Rey, Poe and Kylo had their personalities reset for the sake of the First 3 acts then it was brought back to their TFA, or in Luke’s case, ROTJ self.

Ret/wlows calling Kylo “Ben” is so funny to me. Like those idiots claim they are KyLo fAnS yet have to pull Ben Solo out of their ass for their shitty ship.

naemerydae:

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

Some of them seriously say they don’t ship Kylo Ren and Rey, but Benny Boy and Rey. They’re the SAME PERSON, Karen.

Benny Boy doesn’t even like the name “Ben”.

It’d be like Rey calling Finn “FN-2187”.

Does no one understand character development. The only people who knew him as “Ben” are dead or view him as Kylo now.

Reylows fail at their own ship

He only just shanked his father to cement his chosen identity, that’s clearly nothing of significance whatsoever. They dgaf about Kylo as a character either, hence “Ben” “save Ben Solo” “redemption fetus” “he’ll just switch back to Jedi in IX, Finn who continuity what Rey’s agency I don’t know her” “praise Ruin aka R/ylo Ben Johnson!! our only god!!”

No liking him for what and who he is ever to be found. No accepting of his own terrible choices, it’s always someone else’s fault, he got no say on himself poor babby. No Rey switching to the dark side either, if they must ship it. Only mental gymnastics to replace Finn, lbr now.

Woobie Puppet Solo is boring as fuck and only exists for one purpose and one alone: One-upping Finn. Finn was brainwashed and abused all his life to do evil? Well Benny was brainwashed as a FETUS. Finn bravely defected at risk to his life, earning widespread admiration and striking a blow against the First Order? Benny’s going to do it BETTER and COOLER. Finn has an adorable and heartwarming, yet mature and poignant relationship with Rey? Benny’s relationship with her will be an EPIC ROMANCE that will bring BALANCE to the FORCE.

Benny is just whitewashed Finn made up by people who can’t stand the fact that Finn is the male lead, who want their white male OC to outshine him and be the TRUE hero that they refuse to believe Finn is. Benny is an embodiment of classic white whataboutmeism, the belief that they have been robbed if whiteness is not centered. Woobie Ben is a puppet of fandom racism much as he is an imagined puppet of Snoke’s.

The tasing scene could be carried out by two non-coded gender neutral robots and it would still be a problem. The real-world implications only make it worse. (Moth)

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

Yuuup. And the assholes crawling out of the woodwork to scream “sHE WaS grIEvInG” are all that more of a nightmare.

Johnson could have just done something different easily. He just chose to do it in a way that disrespected Finn the most and made Rose a conflict, which was his intention.

The scene could have gone relatively the same way, up until Rose notices Finn’s bag, and Rose can even try to taser Finn, but since Finn is a former elite Stormtrooper and Rose is a mechanic with no history of combat experience, Finn disarms her easily.

(I would not do that stupid as hell reasoning that someone gave her clearance to stop deserters. Who gives a mechanic with no combat experience the job of guarding escape pods from actual trained soldiers Who are serving in a volunteer militia? Rose could have been serious hurt.)

They could have their same exchange of figuring out their being tracked and Finn could also question Rose on how she even got to the escape pods because something like that should have been sealed off by a high-ranking security clearance and neither he nor Rose should have been able to get in. Rose could say she hacked her way in, a skill she taught herself over the years.

They both realize what this could mean and go to Poe and the three create a plan. Finn will use his knowledge of Snoke’s ship to infiltrate it, Rose will get them through to where she needs to go through hacking, and Poe will go with them as added support and their pilot since they’ll need to be quick on getting in and out of there.

And then boom!

Rose actually has a purpose that doesn’t involve being a conflict to Finn and adds something to the story while still allowing her to grieve

Finn isn’t made a joke out of and reminds the audience that he IS a trained and capable soldier.

Poe is doing what he does best and is breaking the rules to save lives at the cost of his own life.

And even better, now Holdo has to stand on her own two feet as a character without being thrown into conflict with Poe, and get screen time with her life long friend Leia and we can actually learn to care about this character they are going to kill at the end of the movie.

Now Canto Bright is cut and we have more time for character development. We could learn about Finn’s conflictions on fighting in a war against people who were enslaved like him, his desire to free them instead of kill, Rose’s desire to help the Resistance because it’s all she has left after Paige, and Poe’s determination to not let all of the sacfices his family made be in vain.

Plus it makes this picture make more sense.

Whoopsie! There I go trying to make Johnson’s film better.

I’m sorry.

The best thing about TLJ are all the fan fixes of TLJ which make it 100000x better.

lj-writes:

I was against ReySky after TFA, because I thought that the movie was too painfully derivative, and ReySky was too obvious. After TLJ, I changed my mind, because my biggest problem with the ST is the utter ruination of everything the OT heroes did and the seeming pointlessness of their struggle. RotJ was my favorite movie, and having all of Luke’s efforts be smashed by the capriciousness of the ST writers was horrible. I don’t care about blood purity and really don’t care about Kylo Ren, but the idea of the Skywalker line dying out in such a banal, depressing story makes the ST worse for me than it already is.

I understand and respect your opinion about how it’s more democratic for Luke’s legacy to be passed down through his non-blood-related students… but I see no reason at all to think that it would last any more than the OT’s successes did. The way the ST is set up has burned all of my goodwill or trust in anything working out in this universe in the future. Everything is built on sand. There is no victory, only war. Even though bloodline is petty, it could be something, perhaps the only thing, that survives between the OT and ST. Without that, everything of the OT heroes dies, and nothing remains to say that the works of the ST heroes won’t die just as ignominiously.

Reply to the submission: Yeah, I’m not in love with the way the ST just smashed the OT’s achievements to hell in order to repeat the OT’s central conflict either, and if I were in charge of the ST I would have done it differently (link). That said, I also think the ST is a very timely story at a time when we’re getting all sorts of déjà vu at the rise of fascism.

Regarding the ST, I think the conclusion is unavoidable that the Skywalker bloodline, specifically the fixation on it as something powerful and special, was a big part of the reason things fell apart so badly. It was why Snoke targeted Ben Solo in an inverse of Palpatine targeting Anakin: Where Palpatine preyed on Anakin’s humble origins and sense of isolation, Snoke targeted Ben for his supposedly exalted lineage and an adult Ben bought into it. In the Bloodline novel, Leia’s blood relationship to Vader was why her political career was derailed and it was one reason for the Resistance’s subsequent troubles.

Could ReySky have pushed back on this repugnant fixation on bloodlines and made the Skywalkers about family again? Absolutely, if there had been positive family ties between Rey and Luke it could have pushed back on the idea that family is about blood. With Luke dying in the absence of such positive familial interactions, though, ReySky at this point simply reinforces the idea that the Skywalker legacy is about blood supremacy. This is just a recipe for more Kylo Rens down the line.

I disagree that nothing about the heroes survives if ReySky is not true. Luke and Leia’s love survived. Leia’s legacy of resistance will survive through Poe and Finn, and many others who took up the cause. Luke will not be the last Jedi, as he said himself. The OT heroes’ actions reverberated throughout the galaxy and inspired new generations of heroes. That can’t die, no matter what darkness may rise again, no matter how many times the same fight might have to be fought.

For the life of me I can’t figure out this argument that Finn’s sacrificial charge at the cannon was hateful and Rose’s “not fighting what we hate” line worked as a coherent expression of theme. The arguments I’ve seen for Finn’s charge being fueled by hate are basically made up to make Rose’s line work and have weak bases in the actual canon scene. Here are some I’ve seen, with counterarguments:

Argument: The mission was pointless because Finn already knew no one was coming to save him and he was going to kill himself out of spite.

Counterargument: There’s no basis in the actual filmed scene to say the original reason for the ski speeder mission–earn time for allies to arrive–was invalidated. Confirmation that their signal was received but not responded to only came after Rose crashed into Finn

Argument: Finn said earlier at Canto Bight that it felt good to hurt the war profiteers with the falthier rampage, while Rose said no, it was worth it to set the falthiers free, which was clear foreshadowing that Finn was driven by hate and a desire to hurt while Rose was focused on love and freedom

Counterargument: Okay, to vent a little, that exchange was plain bad and rendered both Finn’s and Rose’s arcs absurd. It was a really weird and abrupt switcheroo from when Finn was the one who was temporarily awed by the beauty and glitz of Canto Bight and Rose was the one who wanted to put her fists through the town. Plus, given that Rose was the one who tased a wounded Finn into unconsciousness and paralysis because she was so angry at him, it’s kinda rich to see her play the saint without any kind of apology or amends.

To get to the main point, If this exchange was meant to be foreshadowing it was poorly done because the two situations were so different. On Crait Finn was trying to save his friends and preserve hope for the future, attempting to destroy a weapon for that end isn’t inherently hateful

Argument: Finn was bathed in red light, which in Star Wars means he was on the Dark Side of the Force

Counterargument: Effects like lighting can be a nice supplement to storytelling but can’t override the actual story. Like Jesus Christ you really don’t have arguments, do you?

Argument: Finn was mistaken about his sacrifice having any impact, Rose is a technological expert so she stopped him from sacrificing his life meaninglessly.

Counterargument: Actually Finn recognized the technology while Rose didn’t, he has way more reason to know how the First Order’s tech works, and TLJ showed him to be Rose’s peer in terms of technical knowledge and ingenuity.

Even if we accept this argument, though, at best it says that he was being ignorant or incompetent, not hateful.

Argument: Finn was angry during his charge, unlike Holdo and Paige who were more serene.

Counterargument: So being kinda mad that the fascist organization that kidnapped and enslaved you is now going to kill all your friends = being a hateful Dark Sider? Being angry at oppression makes you the moral equivalent of your oppressors now? And if Finn had been more calm and serene about sacrificing himself to save his friends, would the exact same act cease to be hateful?

Argument: Rose said Finn was being hateful, so it must be true.

Counterargument: I saw this circular reasoning from more than one person. Again, you know they don’t have any arguments when they work backward from the conclusion. I mean maybe it’s possible the scene was just poorly written and the movie was incoherent as hell?