That’s a great breakdown. Leia never knew Padmé so I imagine she learned her fierce sense of justice from Bail and Breha.
yeah! too many people forget that breha was leia’s mother too, and breha was a true humanitarian. she was allowing immigrants into alderaan during the clone wars. breha’s activism, unlike padme’s, wasn’t based on privilege or elitism. breha actually cared about people of all backgrounds and was using her planet to help those who were poor and homeless–well into the imperial era.
In the battle against the evil First Order, Isaac thinks it’s easy to forget that the Resistance “are guerrilla fighters, adhering closer to something like the Revolutionary War fighters or even the guerrillas in Cuba with Che and Fidel and all these guys living in the mountains, coming down to do some attacks, and going back and trying to hide from the ‘empire’ of the United States. It’s that kind of ragged at this point.
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“It is a war movie,” Isaac says. “I mean, above and beyond, it is a movie about warriors.”
Shit, they’re not getting a huge upgrade to manpower? HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY GOING TO WIN otoh he did compare the Resistance to successful revolutionary movements…🤔
Doesn’t look like it, though that does lead to several interesting theories. For one thing it looks like we’re going to see actual guerrilla warfare on screen, only time we’ve got close to that was in Rogue One.
Another is that part of both campaigns is that a lot of it was finding allies, so instead of the ally finding taking place off screen we may get to see that too.
But you know, with all of this, it looks more and more like this is going to be a two parter. JJ simply has too much happening to be able to fit it into one movie, there seems to be more than enough plot for two in fact.
Yeah, for a Rebellion they had very little guerilla-ing going on in the movies. The main Rebellion seemed a well-funded military with multiple Senators in the leadership, and actual guerillas like Saw were called terrorists and extremists. It would be cool to see Episode IX show heroic characters being guerillas/partisans on a sustained basis, which was inevitable after the ending of TLJ. I kind of expected that part to be done during the time skip, but EpIX may be showing at least the tail end of that time period. Maybe the characters shown in the outdoors scene with Finn and Poe are representative of the allies the Resistance is gathering. It also raises the question of when Lando will make his appearance and what kind of resources he will bring to the table.
It seems really late in the game to announce a two-parter–Lionsgate announced it two years in advance for Mockingjay, and if LF is going to go that route it seems we would have heard something by now. But then again LF under Disney and KK has not been a terribly well run operation so nothing would surprise me at this point.
It doesn’t seem like a good sign that five of the planets on this list were completely obliterated/are no longer habitable. Rather than ranking them individually I’ll put them into loose categories.
Good place to live:
Coruscant. That’s it. Well-developed, center of galactic civilization, has plot immunity to the extent they created Hosnia just to be destroyed in its place.
Good places to live, with caveats:
Naboo, as long as you are not a Palpatine. You’re fine if your first name is Sheev, though.
Kamino, if you like water and biotechnology.
Kashyyk, if you like forests and are seven feet tall.
Felucia, if you like jungles.
Cato Neimoidia, if you are a merchant prince.
Saleucami, if you are a deserting Clone Trooper.
Kessel, if you are the royal family.
Savareen, if you like brandy.
Lah-mu, if your last name is not Erso.
Yavin IV, just watch out for space battles.
Bespin, if you stick to Cloud City.
Endor, if you are a sentient teddy bear.
Takodana, if you can avoid being randomly massacred by invading assholes.
D’Qar, just don’t miss the evacuation transports. Or maybe you should miss them. Idk.
Ahch-To, but watch out for troubled teens randomly wrecking stuff.
Cantonica, unless you want to put your fist through this whole lousy beautiful town.
Bad places to live, with reasons:
Geonosis. Too many giant insects and gladitorial combat.
And Boba didn’t get revenge on any of them lol. Ironically he has worked with Vader who was responsible for both Windu’s and Kenobi’s deaths, the enemy of my enemies is my friend and all?
Also I have him hating Anakin too because he was there and a big part of why Kenobi went to Kamino. He’s shocked and pissed when he finds out who Vader is
I know of RL siblings with different last names, due to remarriages, blended families and so on. If Depa’s sister is not a Jedi, she could have changed her last name on marriage. And that’s to say nothing of what kind of naming customs different civilizations might have. Mace Windu for instance had a clan brother named Kar Vastor who does not seem to be his biological brother.
Jedi were allowed to get married under certain circumstances.
Ki-Adi-Mundi had 4 wives and 7 children due to the low birth rate of his species.
And if we’re talking Old Republic, Basttila married Revan and had a daughter with him.
And her daughter, Satele, would go on to have a son of her own.
There are special cases where Jedi married, just most of the time it was under special circumstances where the council approved.
Also, adoption? I mean, Luke Skywalker kept his name as it was, but nobody called his sister “Leia Skywalker”, rather than Organa, which was the name of her adoptive parents? (Dang, now I’m laughing at the concept of “Luke Lars”)
That too! Looking back I can’t believe Luke lived so openly right on Tatooine under the name Skywalker lol
I think there’s a strong case for that, and I’ve always loved the idea of Force-sensitive Han. I mean dude made a shot and got the kill while he was blind??
Yeah, there were and are unfortunately a lot of genocides throughout history and they come in a lot of different forms. The Holocaust was a very specific event and is not a stand-in for all genocides omg. There’s no ground for comparing Alderaan to the Holocaust, and as far as I can tell it seems to be based solely on the meaning of the word being stretched beyond all recognition, coupled with the galactic-level reach of Leia being played by a Jewish actress.
The dictionary definition is kinda clear – it means a mass genocide, so I
understand why people use it. And Carrie was of mixed heritage – I dont
know if she even identified herself with being Jewish, tbh.
But i wouldnt call the destruction of Alderaan a holocaust – it reminds
me more of the destruction of The Temple – and Alderaanians being
scattered across the galaxy in diasporas, longing for their former peace
and glory.
@die-sphinx No, used as a proper noun it means “the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially [Jewish people] by the Nazis during World War II“ (link). This was the sense in which the questioner used the word in the ask, capitalized as a proper noun.
Small-h “holocaust” does have an older meaning of sacrifice or destruction by fire (not generic genocide), but the word has become so strongly identified with that one historical genocide that it’s iffy even to use it uncapitalized in other contexts imo. As far as I’m concerned, if a word is stained with the blood from the torture, enslavement, mutilation, rape, and murder of millions of your ancestors then you as a group have earned that word many times over and it belongs to you.
^^^Just in case someone gets confused from the way this is formatted in the notes, the above is a quote I have argued against and does not represent my opinion.
Not to be offensive, but I really wish people would stop bringing up Carrie Fisher‘s religion. Carrie and Leia still are two different people and their heritage didn’t have anything to do with the movies.
And the destruction of Alderaan was a horrible genocide and war crime, and the Empire attacked them because the planet had indeed been conspiring against them Empire.
The death Star had been a secret weapon, no one that was supposed to know about it.
That’s why in Rogue One so many planets were against helping the R1 squad retrieve the plans to the Death Star, because it would expose them as a threat to the empire and paint a target on their back for the planet destroying weapon
Bail and Leia Organa took the risks anyway to help the R1 squad.
But unfortunately they hadn’t been aware that Tarkin and Vader would also be trying to prevent the plans from being stolen and had witnessed them stealing the plans.
What happened to Alderaan wasn’t a holocaust. Genocide yes, The movies and books made it pretty clear that Alderaan’s destruction was the Empire’s Monstrous punishment for the planet conspiring against them, something both Vader and Tarkin suspected even before the events of ANH.
The Empire and First Order might be metaphorically inspired or based off Nazis, and essentially they can be called space Nazis just like the Jedi can be called space monks, but they still are not the same nor can the fictional events of a science-fiction movie be compared to the real life horror’s people had to go through. They are indeed fascists though who’ve committed war crimes.
But I myself am not Jewish, just Africa and Brazilian, so I might not be the best person to talk about this and I apologize if I got anything incorrect.
I think you hit on another reason the Holocaust and the destruction of Alderaan are in no way comparable, and in fact should not be compared. Wasn’t it a major talking point of the Nazis that Jewish people as a whole were conspiring against the state and were actively dangerous to the German people? That was not true at all of Jewish people toward Germans (other than there being Jewish Communists or some shit, but given sheer numbers there had to be vastly more goyim Communists), but was actually kind of true of Alderaan, or at least their leadership, when it came to the Empire. So there’s an argument to be made that equating the two genocides indirectly validates a major piece of antisemitic rhetoric, which is obviously not cool. European Gentiles hated Jewish people for racial/ethnic reasons, and made up an imaginary threat to validate that hatred. The Alderaanian genocide on the other hand was a vastly disproportionate and murderous–monstrous, as you put it–reaction to an actual threat.
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