Don’t you think people wanted to live? Bad or good? I mean he is right. Why is it acceptable for the Rebels to experience loss, pain and suffering when the Imperial Army is just as human? Star Wars isn’t as black and white as you think. There are so many shades of grey that exist and I’m glad the new canon is giving the bad guys humanity instead of just doing bad things for the lulz. Some do it out of necessity.
Thank you… I never realized… that other planets should have just laid down and been destroyed because it was Wrong to destroy the Death Star… what an enlightenment… I bow to your widom…
It wasn’t wrong lol. Just that people keep demonising the Imperial Army. Then again this is all fiction.
The Imperial Army is demonized… for destroying entire planets? Oh the injustice! The humanity!
Star Wars may be fictional, but morality isn’t. Neither is genocide.
Don’t you think people wanted to live? Bad or good? I mean he is right. Why is it acceptable for the Rebels to experience loss, pain and suffering when the Imperial Army is just as human? Star Wars isn’t as black and white as you think. There are so many shades of grey that exist and I’m glad the new canon is giving the bad guys humanity instead of just doing bad things for the lulz. Some do it out of necessity.
Thank you… I never realized… that other planets should have just laid down and been destroyed because it was Wrong to destroy the Death Star… what an enlightenment… I bow to your widom…
You know what’s sad? This isn’t even the first time I’ve seen people confused about Kylo Ren’s age due to Rian’s and Adam’s comments. I’ve seen someone ask a similar question on Reddit, too.
To clear things up, yes, Kylo Ren is close to 30, not much younger than the actor who plays him (Adam Driver is 33). Ren was born Ben Solo in 5 ABY (after the Battle of Yavin), and the events of The Force Awakens took place in 34 ABY, making him around 29 during the movie.
I think the following comments by Adam about his character in an interview for the December, 2017 issue of GQ add a bit of clarification (emphasis added):
“It makes complete sense how juvenile he can be. You can see that with our leadership and politics. You have world leaders who you imagine — or hope or pray — are living by kind of a higher code of ethics. But it really all comes down to them feeling wronged or unloved or wanting validation.”
So no, the character isn’t juvenile in physical age, he just acts that way. I hope that clears things up. And no, that’s not because he’s a sweet confused baby or whatever, the actor himself is very clear that it’s about a lack of ethics. In the same interview Adam talks about the absolute conviction of terrorists as another influence on the portrayal of his character.
Kylo Ren, much like the real-life morally bankrupt people Adam refers to, may have real struggles and pain in his life. Who doesn’t? The point is that he chose to deal with those issues, or rather failed to, in an immature and entitled way and that is why he comes across as so adolescent.
Heck, it seems in universe, people are confused about Kylo’s age. He’s literally the age of the New Republic (like he shares his birthday with the signing of the galactic concordance), but in bloodline (6 years before TFA, Kylo is 24) Leia sees him as too young to tell him about Vader.
Kylo does have the feel of someone whose development stalled off at some point in the past, and I wonder how much of it has to do with personal trauma and how much with the way he was raised. I suspect both.
On personal trauma, Ben’s relationship with his parents already appears to be distant at the time of Bloodline and we’re still in the dark about what sent Han and Leia into separation and prompted Leia to send their son to Luke. LucasFilm officials have stated that the murkiness in Han’s past is due to necessity.
On the parenting side, Leia’s decision also strikes me as someone trying to protect a part of herself, projecting onto her son and trying to protect in him an innocence she never had. She had watched her home planet be destroyed, been tortured mercilessly by a fascist enforcer (who turned out to be her biological father, yay), and learned about the Skywalker part of her heritage before she was Ben’s age at the time of the novel. People who went through a lot at a young age sometimes cope by trying to protect their own children, and it seldom works well. It’s alternately stifling and alienating to be treated as younger than your age, and Ben may have reacted with corresponding petulance and distance.
Leia may also have feared what additional strains the revelation might place on her relationship with her son. In this sense it was the relationship she was trying to protect–again, not an effective strategy that relied on a lack of communication and avoiding difficult subjects rather than facing them as a family.
I think there is room to talk about Han and Leia as loving but flawed parents who were not always coping well with their own severe traumas, while also squarely placing the responsibility for Kylo Ren’s crimes on himself where it belongs. I have so much sympathy for Leia because I don’t even know how she could have functioned with the magnitude of what she had suffered, and blocking things out was perhaps the only way she could work or even survive. But it certainly had a terrible effect on her family life and, I believe, her child.
also i stole a pen today because i thought it said tarkin on it but it turned out it says tarkett not sure if thats better or worse
this is my oc, tarkin’s twin sister… Tarkette
I went googling for “female Tarkin” only to learn Tarkin had both a wife and a girlfriend in the eu and I will never be the same again
Also Tarkeia is Canon, y’all.
Yeah that’s why Tarkin being gay or bi is up in the air so much. Because of the quasi canonness of a girlfriend and wife.
Also, Tarkin is his last name.
Tarkin: Not the LGBT representation we want
I feel like I know too much abt Grand Moff Tarkin already and if I were to learn his first name I might be sucked into a hell dimension. He’s Tarkin Tarkin as far as I’m concerned, or Tarkon Tarkin or Targetpractice Tarkin or
Yeah here’s not the rep we want. But we have him anyway. I’d rather have like any other rep, but it’s what we got.
Ok wait for it….it’s Wilhulf Tarkin
No, no, no! You fool, what have you doooonnnnnne
MUHAAAA I HAVE ALL THE POWER!!!!!
And I could keep going
I could tell you about Tarkin’s home planet
I could tell you about Tarkin’s teenage wildness survival rites of passage with murder and death.
I could tell you about how Tarkin shortly was the leader of a pack of space hyena wolves
I could tell you about how the non-jedi executive branch of the republic were called judicials.
I could tell you about that time Tarkin threw some pirates into a sun, recorded it from inside, and published it all over the holonet.
I could tell you about how Tarkin’s magic sci fi invisble ship got stolen
How Tarkin was better than some jedi at wildness survival and tracking
And so much more
Idk what the opposite of canonization is–diabolization?–but I am certain you’ve achieved it with this level of Tarkin knowledge.
also i stole a pen today because i thought it said tarkin on it but it turned out it says tarkett not sure if thats better or worse
this is my oc, tarkin’s twin sister… Tarkette
I went googling for “female Tarkin” only to learn Tarkin had both a wife and a girlfriend in the eu and I will never be the same again
Also Tarkeia is Canon, y’all.
Yeah that’s why Tarkin being gay or bi is up in the air so much. Because of the quasi canonness of a girlfriend and wife.
Also, Tarkin is his last name.
Tarkin: Not the LGBT representation we want
I feel like I know too much abt Grand Moff Tarkin already and if I were to learn his first name I might be sucked into a hell dimension. He’s Tarkin Tarkin as far as I’m concerned, or Tarkon Tarkin or Targetpractice Tarkin or
Yeah here’s not the rep we want. But we have him anyway. I’d rather have like any other rep, but it’s what we got.
Ok wait for it….it’s Wilhulf Tarkin
No, no, no! You fool, what have you doooonnnnnne
MUHAAAA I HAVE ALL THE POWER!!!!!
And I could keep going
I could tell you about Tarkin’s home planet
I could tell you about Tarkin’s teenage wildness survival rites of passage with murder and death.
I could tell you about how Tarkin shortly was the leader of a pack of space hyena wolves
I could tell you about how the non-jedi executive branch of the republic were called judicials.
I could tell you about that time Tarkin threw some pirates into a sun, recorded it from inside, and published it all over the holonet.
I could tell you about how Tarkin’s magic sci fi invisble ship got stolen
How Tarkin was better than some jedi at wildness survival and tracking
And so much more
Idk what the opposite of canonization is–diabolization?–but I am certain you’ve achieved it with this level of Tarkin knowledge.