top 5 finn parentage theories?

lesbiankiliel:

1. Prince Finn

this is my absolute favourite theory for a quantity of reasons, but especially because it would be the most wonderful Cinderella story, and Finn being a prince would be a huge thing, and it’d just be so cool

2. Mandalorian Finn

now I must admit I’m a bit of a dunce when it comes to Mandalorian culture but the meta posts I’ve seen from for example @themandalorianwolf are really great (and I mean this doesn’t technically exclude Prince Finn either, just alters it a bit)

these two are the ones I’ve actually given a lot of thought, and the rest are ones I like but haven’t got involved in any further

3. Finn was born on Naboo and his family has some kind of connections to the Naberrie family

4. Finn Calrissian

5. Finn Kenobi

(Finn Skywalker is also a good theory and I like it in AU’s a lot but in canon it always takes me to the “but why would the lightsaber call to Rey and not Finn then???” and it just wouldn’t be fair for either of them)

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All of these and also… FINN APHRA-STARROS *cries*

I’ve never seen JJ say Finn is based on Moses. That would be different. I’ve Only seen prince of Egypt aus which seemed inappropriate.

opisrussianonmain:

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

JJ didn’t say so, but the parallels are unmistakeable and blatant (link). I’m not in a place to judge whether a PoE Finn AU is appropriate, but if the ones doing it aren’t Jewish themselves I wish they wouldn’t. It would be so much better to carry forward the common themes in Finn’s and Moses’s stories to tell Finn’s own awesome story.

I personally don’t think SW characters should be written in AU’s about religious figures. That’s just asking for trouble.

But I don’t see anything wrong with people drawing Parallels and metaphors in their stories about Finn being the Moses of Star Wars. Jesus Parallels have been used by movies for decades. Anakin has been called space Jesus for years due to his conception.

If a Stormtrooper rebellion happens, Finn is metaphorically space Moses.

If you ask me then TFA is a Prince of Egypt AU, just done GFFA style.

As for the Stormtrooper rebellion being necessary to finalize that I have to disagree. For one thing it’s an “AU”, it is so to speak “based on Exodus” but it isn’t Exodus. And Finn isn’t Moses, he’s a Moses analogy.

Furthermore it depends on who the story decides to frame as Finn’s people.

Remember Moses’ story?

Moses’ mother contrives to hide him so that he’ll survive Pharaoh’s edict to kill all male Israelite children and he ends up being found by the Pharaoh’s daughter. Now we don’t know how or when Finn ended up in the First Order, but given that he has no memory of his family and that the FO literally have baby pictures of him it’s a good bet her was tiny indeed, possibly an infant. Like Moses.

Then Moses (Finn) is raised in the house of Pharaoh (First Order) among Egyptians (Stormtroopers) but he’s not one of them and deep down knows he never will be.

And remember why Moses turns against the house of Pharaoh and have to flee in the first place? He watches as an Egyptian (Stormtrooper) strikes down an Israelite, one of his own people. He ends up killing the Egyptian, his crime is discovered and he has to flee into the desert.

You know, kinda like Finn reject the First Order with the massacre of Tuanul when the Stormtroopers slaughters the villagers. He refuses to participate and his “crime” – from an FO pov at least – is discovered and he has to flee and ends up in the desert. Where he meets this girl, like Moses met

Zipporah.

Furthermore when G-d wants Moses to be his chosen and free his people Moses at first refuses and argues with G-d about his choice. Again kinda like Finn tells Maz nope when she says that they all have to fight the First Order. (Which makes JJ’s stand in for G-d in this universe a Black woman, albeit one in alien makeup.)

So who is Finn’s people? The Stormtroopers? Or maybe its the Force worshipers? Or maybe the story will tell us its a bit of both, one does not preclude the other and when the Israelites left Egypt, several Egyptians went them.

And really it fits with many of the other characters too.

Rey is a mix of

Zipporah, Miriam and Aaron. Snoke is the original Pharaoh and Kylo Ren the one who starts as the heir to the throne, but eventually becomes Pharaoh himself and the main antagonist in the story. (This last but is why I always thought the narrative would end up doing away with Snoke one way or another and have Kylo take the reins of power fully.)

No it’s not a one to one translation anymore than Anakin was was a one to one translation of Jesus, but both stories are clearly inspired. Anakin’s story was a Messiah narrative as is so common among fantasy stories – scifi too – told by white Christians. Finn’s story on the other hand, and I still hold out hope all of the ST as envisioned by JJ – is based on Moses’ story.

Do I still want a Stormtrooper rebellion or for the story to do something with the Stormtroopers by and large apart from using them as cannon fodder? Yes, because it reframed them with the little we have of Finn’s background story, but I’ll would venture that a Stormtropper rebellion isn’t necessary for Finn to be the in-universe equivalent on Moses, nor Finn’s story be based on Moses. It already is and much depends on who the story decides to frame as Finn’s people.

This is where I find @lj-writes‘s theory about Finn possibly being from Jakku and at least being the child of a Force worshiping group interesting, it would add yet another layer as to why Finn reacted so strongly to the assault and massacre. Moral decency and the fact that he’s the male, heroic lead of the story is more than enough to warrant his reaction, but it does not therefore follow that there was never meant to be anything more to it than that.

Fandom’s main excuse for hating on Finn is basically “op literally killed the Egyptian for striking the Jewish slave but go off I guess,” with healthy doses of both sides are wrong uwu violence is bad uwu uwu. It’s funny how an enslaved soldier refusing to kill unarmed prisoners, escaping to freedom, and defending himself and others from imminent death raises more ire than the slavery and genocide he was running from and defending others from.

The First Order claims to have trained Finn from birth, according to the Visual Dictionary page that you excerpted, which leads me to wonder if he was taken very shortly after birth (like Moses) or actually born in captivity (also like Moses, who was born in slavery). I firmly believe the deleted scene where Finn lets the woman in Tuanul go (link) was meant to be a callback to Finn’s own kidnapping, at least in the sense of him wondering if this was how he was torn from his family. The woman seems to be holding a baby, from the way she clutches the bundle closer rather than drop it in her fright. It’s probably a deliberate choice to cast her as a Black woman, too.

Also does this mean the lightsaber is the burning bush? XD Finn and especially Rey are afraid of/refuse the lightsaber at first before they embrace its power. Y’know, the divine fire that burns without consuming its source…

Kylo Ren is like the Rameses character from the PoE adaptation, I think, minus the personal rapport with the male protagonist. Though he had no real relationship with Finn, there was something that passed between him and Finn at the village. Kylo also fixated on Finn and took the “betrayal” very personally in a way Snoke and even Hux were never shown to.

The PoE Rameses-Moses connection has a stronger parallel in Kylo Ren and Rey, in no small part because RJ could give a rat’s ass about Finn and his story, but it is a continuation and intensification of Moses’s story being split between Finn and Rey. Even in TFA, Kylo Ren wanted to destroy Finn but wanted Rey to join him. (In TLJ he evidently forgot Finn exists, much like RJ did.) They share an actual connection in TLJ where he further works her over, building rapport while isolating and manipulating her, all to convince her to join his side much as Rameses dreamed of ruling with Moses by his side. Kylo then becomes the successor to the original ruler, the one who had the perfect chance to end the destructive policies of his predecessor and was urged by Rey to do so, but ultimately refused and tried to kill her instead.

When Kylo was gazing up at Rey and she literally shut the door on their connection, it was a bit like that last moment between Rameses and Moses in PoE when Rameses (also on his knees, defeated and vulnerable, realizing that the link to his father has slipped between his fingers) screams Moses’s name in rage and loss while Moses looked across the divide to say a silent farewell. It’s not as wrenching in TLJ because the bond between Kylo and Rey was false on many levels and Rey feels so little for Kylo at this point, but the moment is still there where the bond is broken for good, or acknowledged as broken.

Coming back to Tuanul/the Church of the Force possibly being tied to Finn’s origins, it’s been pointed out that Finn may have awakened in the Force on Tuanul. My variation on that theory is that he is Force immune and Kylo Ren sensed this in the ruins of Tuanul (link), which Moth and @themandalorianwolf speculated as Finn being a wound in the Force like the Exile in KOTOR 2 (link). There’s also the fact that Jakku has all kinds of lore tied into it, as you pointed out re the Wadi Rum shooting location (link).

I mean if Finn is Force immune or otherwise Force sensitive as a result of trauma like the Exile, being in the middle of a massacre like one he may have experienced as a baby would be enough to activate those abilities. For me God tier is Finn being a descendant of Jedhan refugees who were Church of the Force members in the disapora. Mega Ultra God tier is Rose also being from the Jedhan diaspora. I know, I know, there are no confirmed links, but that’s a whole another tinfoil hat rant that is way off topic and will be in a separate post (link).

Considering Mandalorian Finn is such a popular fan theory, I wonder if this new Mandalorian TV series has anything to do with him. Who knows, maybe the person under the mask in that first screenshot is one of his parents!

grinningloner:

lj-writes:

I don’t have much hope of that, personally, but if Mandalorian Finn is at least hinted at I’ll be happy.

Prepare for more Rey parentage theories and Finn to once again be ignored. Y’all know they’re coming.

If it’s true that Pablo Pascal is the Mandalorian people are going to be saying he’s Rey’s dad 😂

johnnyclash87:

themandalorianwolf:

johnnyclash87:

So this is why Mandalorian Finn makes most sense to me and is my favorite Finn theory.

First it makes sense that the First Order would use Mandalorians for their Stormtroopers. Mandalorians are infamous as warriors throughout the Galaxy and even the predecessors of the Stormtroopers were cloned from a Mandalorian. They even went to war against the Jedi which ain’t exactly small potatoes. And they were a pain in the ass for the Empire too.

Secondly with Mandaloriansspread out across the Galaxy, it still keeps things open for Finn to be from another planet like Jehda. I mean both Luke and Liea are ethnically Naboo but grew up on different planets.

Also it opens the possibility that Finn is a descendant of the only Mandalorian Jedi, Tarre Viszla. Which means he could lead a Stormtrooper rebellion and unite the Mandalorians to join the Resistance. And we’ve already established how bad that would be for the First Order.

But you know what’s even more terrifying than a Mandalorian? A Force Sensitive Mandalorian. What’s even more terrifying than that? A Force Sensitive Mandalorian that was enslaved and trained to be an elite soldier and now wants nothing more than to protect the people he loves.

Love the Mandalorian Finn theories!

And while Tarre Viszla was the first Mandalorian to join the Jedi Order, there had been Jedi who deflected from the Jedi Order to join the Mandalorians against the Republic!

Oh! I did not know that! That is cool!

OP did you just casually combine my two favorite Finn parentage theories, Mandalorian Finn and Jedhan Finn?! Given how steeped Jedha is in Force lore, Mando Finn who is also a Jedhan would have a direct pipeline to both the military and Force sides of the story. *dies of excitement*

*Reanimates* And yes, the FO should fear the Mandos and Republic (or Republic-adjacent, who the hell knows at this point) uniting. The Mandalorians and Republic worlds would crush the FO if they can work past their historical animosity, and if there’s one thing that could make Mandos work as one with the Republic it would be rage at the discovery that slavers have been stealing their children.

Finn’s Parentage Theories: Legends Edition

Clockwise from upper-middle-right.

Luke Skywalker and Lando Calrissian

Luke and Lando raise a child together, either adopted or through a surrogate. When Kylo destroys the temple, Luke and Lando are devastated when they think their child is killed in the fire. However, all children are brainwashed and recruited by the First Order.

Pros: Uses a fan-favorite ship from Legends, largely thanks to the Marvel Comics. Would give Luke and Lando both a temporary happy ending and a good reason to resign to depression for a while. The timeline would add up and it would give potentially sweet scenes for Finn, Lando, and Luke in Episode IX.

Cons: Would be really depressing. Unlikely for Disney to have an onscreen gay relationship not played for laughs or cheap diversity credit. Would cause some people to view it as Skywalker=naturally good, even though Finn wouldn’t be his biological son.

Nick Rostu

A Force-sensitive warrior from Haruun Kal, Nick Rostu was young at the end of the Clone Wars, but seemed to be about Luke’s age when they met. Regardless, in this universe, Knights of Ren took children while posing as Jedi Knights. Rostu, remembering his friends Mace and Depa, let them, believing their lies that it was for medical purposes. The adults were knocked out, and the Force-sensitive children were stolen to make an elite squad of stormtroopers.

Pros: Allows a Star Wars culture only seen in books to join the screens. Would allow Finn to have a big, loving community to return to as well. Nick’s fighting style is also unique, being a sniper trickster.

Cons: Would come out of nowhere for fans outside of the EU. The timeline wouldn’t add up well. A white director could easily default on stereotypes when designing a culture of jungle-dwellers.

Qu Rahn

Qu Rahn was a young survivor of Order 66, and lived into the early years of the New Republic. With a bit of time displacement, we could change his noble end to be at the hand of Snoke, and his defense of Finn is similar to his defense of Kyle Katarn.

Pros: Would fit with Finn being based off from Kyle Katarn. Adds a connection to one of the most popular EU stories. Would be a way for Finn to get his own lightsaber.

Cons: Could anger Dark Forces fans. Wouldn’t allow closure for Finn’s arc.

Giddean Danu

As one of the signers of the Delegation of 2000, and a founder of the Rebellion, perhaps the Senator of Kuat was imprisoned in a secret Imperial jail, along with his family. His son and his son’s wife had a child after the death of the Emperor, but the Imperial Remnant led by Rae Sloane kept them in captivity and took all Rebellion children to be First Order grunts.

Pros: Reference to the prequels. Allows a new surge of Resistance allies. Some resemblance between Christopher Kirby and John Boyega. Has ties to the Space-Prince Finn theory.

Cons: Would be a bit of a surprise. It’s unlikely Palpatine would take prisoners from the delegation instead of killing them.

Novoc Vevut

In Legends, Novoc adopted and raised the boy who would go on to marry Boba Fett’s grandfather. This version would be biological father to one of the stolen Mandalorian children that he and the new Mandalore Boba Fett have been seeking. Novoc would also have his adopted son Ghes Orade, who would act like a big brother for Finn.

Pros: Similarity to both Mandalorian Finn theory and LJ-writes-verse Sequel Trilogy. Provide a plot-based excuse to bring in Mandalorians and Boba Fett. Would be suitably epic without contradicting previous material.

Cons: Always have to deal with the “Boba should be dead” crowd. Morrison and Logan are both a bit too young to play old Boba (but makeup would fix that). Would raise the question of “where were these guys in the last two movies?”

Barney

One of Luke’s earliest Jedi apprentices, despite not having any real demonstrable Force powers, Barney is a humble, kind man from Marvel comics. He lived on Belderone, a world where AT-AT’s were built, making it a target for First Order raiders. After his home was raided, he has been working any job to pursue any lead as to where his son might be.

Pros: Barney is both sweet and determined, and would be a likable addition. Would also be poor enough to explain a lack of Galactic presence in previous films. Also provide a cute moment for Rey and Finn when she talks about living in an AT-AT, and Finn’s dad makes an instant connection.

Cons: Is named Barney, which is reminiscent of a certain purple dinosaur. Might not reasonably find Finn on his own power. Likable but potentially devoid of conflict once he reunites with his son.

Akanah Norand Goss Pell

Akanah was an ex of Luke’s, and a member of the Fallanassi, a religious organization that thought of the Force as a river known as the White Current, flowing and rippling. Akanah was absorbed into the entity Abeloth, aka Mother of Mortis, and died. However, what if when Abeloth was defeated, she and her avatars transferred to a different timeline rather than a different time period? Akanah, revived, and driven mad by the process, is unable to keep her newborn son in safety.

Pros: Bridge the old and new timelines. Provide a set-up for a potentially grand tenth movie. Add some mystery to an otherwise straightforward saga.

Cons: Somewhat depressing. Akanah would be a bit too old to have a child (but it is sci-fi). Would derail the main conflict of the sequel trilogy.

Katya M’buele

Katya was a friend of Han’s before the Battle of Yavin. In Legends, she died helping Luke fight demons in Marvel’s comics, but this version could live past the battle and become a Rebel Hero like Kes and Shara. She would be in the Resistance, as a slightly older woman, running smuggling and transport operations, always looking for her son that went missing at a young age.

Pros: Ties to the Resistance strengthened. Could appear as a young woman in a Solo sequel. Would not derail the conflict.

Cons: Underwhelming reveal. Ultimately too serendipitous to happen naturally (but there is the Force.) Not a very popular character.

Those are just some theories to rebut the idea that nobody’s thinking of some potential parentages for Finn! I might do a canon one, if this goes over well. My favorite is Luke/Lando, but I think Novoc would make for the best story. (Moth)

themandalorianwolf:

A Finn Origin theory

Captain…Commander…Trooper. All titles Rex had held in his lifetime.

But never father.

After the battle of Endor, after fighting alongside Solo, Organa, Skywalker, Calrissian, Bey, and Dameron, and watching them all have families, Rex was starting to think that Cut Lawquane was right. Maybe Rex wanted more than just battle.

timd would pass, and Rez would find a good woman, an old friend of Bey’s. She was kind, smart, a soldier like him. Well, not a Clone of a legendary bounty hunter, but damn was she good with a blaster. Eventually the two of them settled down and had twins, a boy and girl.

Everyone from the Damerons to even Ahsoka gave their congratulations. Ahsoka even mentioned that his children could be force sensitive. Imagine that? Clone Trooper Commander Rex, father of Jedi! Kenobi and Skywalker must have been grinning like idiots from the other side.

Unfortunately Rex knew he wouldn’t be able to watch his children grow up due to his accelerated aging. It was something he made peace with long ago and when the time came, Commander Rex had no regrets. He was remembered a hero, and mourned by many.

Kes and Shara offered Rex’s wife to stay with them for awhile to keep her and the kids company, which she accepted of course. Though Shara never came home after picking up the Trooper’s family.

Shara Bey’s ship had been attacked in the Outer Rim while she was on her way back to Yavin 4. Many thought it was raiders, but in reality it had been the First Order.

The twins had been the only survivors of the attack. Both were indoctrinated into the Stormtrooper program, but both were separated and their relation to never be revealed to the children as to avoid conflicting loyalties.

The girl would grow up to eventually gain the rank of Captain at the brink of the Cold War Between the First Order and New Republic. As Captain she was able to name herself. She chose the name Caro.

The boy on the other hand would grow up to become one of the best Stormtroopers in the entire First Order…and their greatest enemy. The boy deflected and joined the Resistance, and he took on the name Finn.

Finn had accepted long ago that he’d never find him family, but after the infiltration of the Supremacy, BB-8 shows Finn his military file from his Stormtrooper days. He had a sister and she was alive!

But he had no idea how he’d find her.

Since joining the Resistance, Finn had dealt with the silent confliction of fighting Stormtrooper. As a soldier, he never hesitated in battles with troopers, because it was them or him, but it all was catching up to him…it was eating away at him. Finn wanted to liberate them, give them the same option he was given.

So against mass protest from Rose, Poe, and especially a worried sick Rey, Finn decided he would go undercover once more in the First Order and not only find and convince his sister to rebel, but he would start a damn uprising. The Stormtroopers would not be the faceless casualties of this war.

He’d save his sister Captain Caro, and all the Stormtroopers, or die trying. Isn’t that what a real good Trooper does? They never leave a soldier behind. At least, that’s what the old holotapes about Clone Trooper Rex said. Finn always admired him and the other clones. Something about them felt… familiar.

“All-out war,” with what?

lj-writes:

In one of his memorable last lines in The Last Jedi, Luke Skywalker contradicted Kylo Ren to say “The Rebellion is reborn today” and “The war is just beginning.” John Boyega predicted that Episode IX would be about war as well, saying:

“I think Episode IX you know, regardless of where the story goes, and I haven’t read it by the way, is going to be all-out war …”

This grand vision is somewhat belied by the reality at the end of TLJ, however. The entire remainder of the Resistance fits on the Millennium Falcon, and its calls for help to its Outer Rim allies were evidently ignored. The main First Order fleet may also have taken a blow from Holdo’s suicide attack, but even just the ground forces portion of its remainder is considerable. We also know that it has troops elsewhere with which it is tightening its grip on the galaxy.

So how can there be all-out war between two such asymmetrical forces? One possibility is guerilla warfare, perhaps with the Resistance operating out of mobile headquarters since having a stationary one didn’t work out so well for them. They can harass the First Order, strike at its supply lines, rally support in the populace, conduct sabotage missions. This is how badly outnumbered and outgunned forces have fought for millennia, after all.

Guerilla warfare by itself is not enough, however, to be described as “all-out war.” It’s not enough to topple the First Order, either, and that is the Resistance’s goal especially if Luke, Holdo, Finn etc. are right and they are resurrecting the Rebellion. A rebellion as I understand it doesn’t just seek to weaken and undermine the enemy, it seeks to replace the enemy government. Nibbling around the edges of the First Order’s domination of the galaxy might be fine for Leia’s barely-sanctioned militia, but a full rebellion against the First Order needs to have the means to unseat it and defend territory from it. Leia implies that necessity herself in the Poe Dameron comic:

What are the sources of the troops and materiel the Resistance/Rebellion might have? Here are a few I can think of.

Resistance forces and allies elsewhere

It appears that the Resistance did not put all its eggs in one basket and there are others who were not in Leia’s fleet that ran from the First Order. Black Squadron, for instance, was on a mission to the Outer Rim to gain support from allies. The one mission that we know about from the partial transmission in the comic is a failure and the radio silence in response to the Resistance’s distress call implies they may have not met with resounding success, but there is a chance the Squadron itself survived.

Zay and Shriv from the Battleront II single-player DLC were similarly dispatched to the Outer Rim to contact the Resistance’s allies. They may well come back with allies of their own, though this did not come to pass at the end of TLJ. Have the Outer Rim allies really foresaken the Resistance, or was something else going on?

Lando Calrissian

Lando’s return in Episode IX may mean a significant boost in the Resistance’s forces, too. Lando was a General during the last war, the Administrator of a city, and the owner of Calrissian Enterprises, a huge droid manufacturer. His wealth and resources, coupled with his war experience and the security forces he himself must command, make his return a hopeful development for the Resistance/Rebellion. Since his base of Cloud City on Bespin is located in the Outer Rim, he may well have been one of the allies Leia dispatched people to contact.

A droid army

The droid manufacturing capacity of Calrissian Enterprises could additionally mean the manufacture of combat droids to augment the Resistance against The First Order. We saw droids fighting armored troopers before in the prequel movies and The Clone Wars. Could we be seeing a reprise, only this time we’re meant to root for the droids?

Droids aren’t just cannon fodder but also excellent sources of information, as C3PO’s plot in the Poe Dameron comics showed. C3PO had an extensive droid spy network, something that was on Leia’s to-do list to revive in The Last Jedi novelization. It remains to be seen whether droids will play a greater role in the war.

The New Republic

We know that the
New Republic is in shambles after the destruction of the Hosnia system,
but by the time of Episode IX they will have at least begun to regroup.
If the New Republic’s military were to join forces with the Resistance,
as seems likely, we will see a significant boost in the Resistance’s
numbers. They should also, in my opinion, be called not “Resistance” or “Rebellion” but Republic forces. Such a change also brings potential for cultural clashes and mutual
resentments, something that may have begun to be explored in TLJ
but didn’t really go anywhere.

If Leia plays a leadership role in the New Republic again because they come to their senses in the crisis and realizes they need her, then we’ll see her lead the charge on this end. This seems a likely path for her character to take, since the footage cut from TFA that will be used in Episode IX is likely to pertain to the New Republic’s political situation, like the deleted scene with her aide Korr Sella.

People around the galaxy

Finn’s conviction that people around the galaxy would rise up against the First Order may not have been borne out on Crait, but was validated by the final scene of The Last Jedi when it was shown that people throughout the galaxy are sharing and taking heart in the story of the Resistance and the Jedi. Over time this hope may become a groundswell of support for the Resistance.

~~Stormtroopers~~ Insurgent Free Troopers

This is my personal fondest hope of all, that Finn inspire other kidnapped and brainwashed Stormtroopers to rise up as he did. He has already gone twice into the heart of the First Order and escaped, showing that this group not invincible–they’re kind of pathetic, in fact.

Speaking of pathetic, the new Supreme Leader of the First Order is this dude:

Kylo Ren, a man who has a lot of raw power but zero self-restraint or dignity, who is skeptical of the entire Stormtrooper program (but not of slavery itself–he brought up clone troopers in TFA), and who very publicly made a fool of himself on Crait in front of his army.

It seems likely that Finn’s exploits, together with disappointment in Kylo Ren and his leadership, will lead at least some Stormtroopers to be disillusioned with the First Order. They could fill out the Resistance’s ranks or at least drop out of the fighting altogether, making the numerical disadvantage less overwhelming.

As one anon has pointed out (link), combined with the droid army idea above, it’s possible that we could see Free Troopers and droids working together in another inversion of the prequel trilogy/The Clone Wars dynamics when they were pitted against each other.

Such cooperation would be all the more poignant because, with the recent canon incorporating a droid liberation plotline, the Free Troopers and the droids would share a liberation narrative. And if the new Star Wars canon gives a liberation plot to the droids but ignores the Stormtroopers then man, fuck Star Wars.

In conclusion

Though the ending of TLJ is very bleak in terms of its prospects for the fight against the First Order, the Resistance has a lot of untapped resources. Episode IX could show these allies coming together to destroy the First Order and, eventually, start the hard work of rebuilding.

@rebelspies I would LOVE to see Mandalorians as a political and military force on the big screen at last. I just can’t think of how to bring them in when they weren’t shown so far, unless Finn turns out to be one in which case I will die of joy right in the theater.

padmestrawberrie:

swshadowcouncil:

Luke loves melanin bring back Nakari and make her Finn’s mum

I really wish people would get off Rey’s parents. They aren’t focusing on Rey or the plot, but her last name. It’s the exact opposite of Finn origins that relates to Finn’s growth and their involvement of 9. I love the Rey Skywalker theory too, but not at the cost of Rey’s relevance or her individuality and I hate the blood purity reasons. Before TLJ Reysky would have made her happy, but now 90% of her family would be dead. Unless Luke returns as a Yoda role, I don’t see it ever working.

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

Yeah it’s distasteful to make her a tool of carrying on the Skywalker name at the expense of her character development and happiness. I’ve been noticing more and more similarities between diehard canon ReySky and canon Reylow, and this treatment of Rey is one of them.

I really hate that. As someone who is a fan of the theory it hurts to let go, but if it’s not there, not there. I didn’t like Rey because she might have been a Skywalker.

My feelings can be summed up by Mark’s words to Daisy: “Luke would be lucky to have a daughter like you.”

It’s a sweet idea, because of what it would mean to both characters, but just wanting it for the sake of warning it doesn’t do anything for anybody. I want Mandalorian Finn, but if it didn’t happen I still would love Finn. I don’t like this whole trend that if what some people want for a character doesn’t come true, they’ll hate the character.

And I don’t mean like how Rian destroyed canon for TLJ, I mean that if Rey isn’t a Skywalker, Finn isn’t a Mandalorian, or Poe isn’t gay, people will hate them. At the end of the day if people love these characters, they will love them even if their origins don’t line up to what you want. I hate characterization of almost everyone in TLJ, but I still love them S characters.

There are people who would hate Rey if she weren’t a Skywalker? These people are like actually siding with Kyle’s blood supremacism and his insistence that if her parents weren’t important, neither is she? Imagine being like Kylo Ren. Don’t be like Kylo Ren, people.

themandalorianwolf:

themandalorianwolf:

Finn’s Origins: Mandalorian Finn

Considering Mandalorians are one of my favorite things about Star Wars and Finn is one of my favorite characters, I’m surprised I haven’t written this sooner, but with seeing @lj-writes get a lot of questions about Mandalorian Finn, I thought I’d make a post about the theory.

The theory:

Mandalorian Finn is the theory that our favorite ex Stormtrooper’s family, heritage, or future is tied to the Mandalorians. The idea originated from one eagle eye viewer noticing the Mandalorian symbol on a flag outside of Maz’s castle in TFA.

History of the Mandalorian:

(if the original artist is on Tumblr, I would love to tag you in this, you magnificent creature)

The history of the Mandalorians are complicated due to the fact that that the old EU Legends continuity, Disney continuity, and the continuity of the animated shows has not yet confirmed the completed canon, so here’s a brief summary.

The Mandalorian are not a race or a species, they are culture. While the animated show took some… interesting depictions of the Mandalorians, there is no actual set appearance. Even a Wookie can be a Mandalorian if they earn the right.

If you want to know more here’s a link to both Canon and Legends history of the Mandalorians. I suggest reading both since the Mandalorian history in canon is only covered from the start of the Clone Wars into Rebels, but the legends continuity is still canon before the Clone Wars.

Possibility of Finn being a Mandalorian

The possibility is actually extremely high since unlike many other theories that require making one of the sequel characters match up to a specific timeline to be the child of someone’s, Finn can be the child of any Mandalorian parent that had been anywhere in the galaxy. There is no race requirement or timeline to match up.

Mandalorians can be force sensitive

Since Mandalorians are a culture, it is entirely possible for Mandalorians to join the Jedi Order and Force Users to become Mandalorians. There was even a case of Jedis who abandoned the republic during the Mandalorian Wars and become the Mandalorian Knights.

(Picture not mine)

The First Mandalorian to join the Jedi Order was Tarre Vizsla. Tarre constructed the Darksaber which is a unique weapon that usually only the leader of the Mandalorians use, but there has been exceptions before.

Mandalorian Finn doesn’t conflict with other theories either

Finn can still be force sensitive, the son of Lando, the grandson of Windu, a prince, or whatever other theory people think up, because Mandalorian Finn leaves room for only Finn’s mother or father to be a mandalorian instead of both.

A Mandalorian Finn’s role in EP-XI

Whether it be by becoming the leader of the Mandalorians or becoming an ambassador between them and the New Republic to help gain their assistance in the war against the New Republic, Mandalorian Finn opens many narrative doors for not only Finn, but for EP-XI as a whole. The Mandalorians are one of the only potential allies in the entire galaxy that could help defeat the First Order.

Considering JJ Abrams had already left a hint of Mandalorians finally making their big screen debut, I think there’s a good chance of seeing them.

I had a theory that in TLJ when BB-8 was hacking into the First Order’s database from the Supremacy, he may have downloaded Finn’s records that may lead Finn to finally finding answers about who he is and where did the First Order stole him from. BTW JJ Abrams, if you are reading this, that is the easiest way to do a Finn origin story.

It would also fit into a stormtrooper Rebellion since every Stormtrooper who had left the First Order could join Finn’s self made mandalorian clan. Finn could name it “Storm Clan” and they could mark their helmets with Red streaks in respect to Finn’s as a symbol of freedom and identifying them as free Stormtroopers. That idea came from @lj-writes

Bringing back Mandalorians to the big screen also allows Lucasfilms to bring back Boba Fett and test him out to our modern audience so they can gauge if doing a stand alone film is a smart idea.

My ideal Mandalorian family if Disney weren’t cowards?

Idris Elba – Finn’s Father

Letitia Wright – Finn’s sister

Angela Bassett or Lisa Bonet – Finn’s birth mother

Terry Crews – Finn’s 2nd father/Idris Elba’s partner

Bonus: Michael B. Jordan as Finn’s old squad mate Zero who deserted from the First Order too.

Well Known Mandalorians

If anyone has any other Mandalorian Finn interests or just Mandalorian questions, feel free to send me a message or hit my inbox. I’m not one of the experts on Mandalorian lore, but I know a good deal.

Mandalorian Finn is personally my favorite theory and I hope it happens!

Reposting because I added some well known Mandalorians to the post.

I love the idea of House Storm as a new clan! Maybe their house colors could be red and black on white. Also Stormtroopers are already used to fighting in full body armor and fight quite aggressively as a result. The Mandalorian armor and fighting style wouldn’t be as much of an adjustment, though the flying might be lol.

While I hope many Stormtroopers will be able to find their original family and heritage, that might not be an option for many of them given how genocide-happy the FO is. Even those who reconnected with their Mandalorian heritage, including Finn, might find themselves too distinct from their birth clans to fully reintegrate. Forming a new clan that acknowledges their shared experience and trauma while reclaiming their shared identity may be the most workable solution for those who lost their homes of origin or can’t completely integrate. For some time spent with their Trooper sibs might be a period of acclimatization, for others House Storm might be a permanent home. I can see them being quite open and accepting that way.

That a great number of Stromtroopers were stolen Mandalorian younglings makes sense in SW history too, given that the Clonetroopers were made with a Mandalorian template. They were literally the perfect warriors. The FO, which emulated the Empire in so many ways, would have been mindful of this history.

I can’t find any info of what’s happening in Mandalore during the ST era, if they did lose children to the FO would they be looking for them? Gone to war with the FO? Or did the FO primarily target outlying and isolated communities and families so as not to raise Mandalore’s wrath before they were ready? Would Finn’s story, then, move Mandalore to act? So many fascinating possibilities!