Reylos: There is nothing romantic whatsoever about Finn and Rey what are finnreys smoking š friendship goals ššš brotp forever!!! ššš
I guess itās a mercy they didnāt ask for a pic of Adam and Daisy together.
Reylows are still chugging that “hate Poe” juice hard, I see.
This is literally the first result when you search for Episode IX. It’s right there in the Poe tag for fans looking for content about him, too. You should block this user if you don’t want to see their scintillating contribution to the tags.
And no, LF is not going to spoil a major character’s death in a comic lmaoooo the comic excerpt was about Poe growing beyond being just a pilot. The scene this narration leads into is literally a discussion between Leia and Poe about being a pilot and being a leader.
But saying Poe is not a main character and will die is not a new thing for this user and those who agree with them:
Redemptive… death. Redemptive death. So let me get this straight, it’s not the mass murderer and torturer who needs redemption and/or death, it’s his victim who needs to die, redeeming himself for unspecified crimes. It’s just more of the “Poe is an extremist and just as bad/worse than Kylo” nonsense, the kind of bullshit RJ was on.
Inconveniently for the people riding the Dameron death train, here’s something from K. Kennedy herself:
Future stories beyond Episode IX with… Poe. And even if Kennedy is on the way out, as I personally hope, there’s the fact that JJ Abrams–you know, the guy directing IX?–nixed the character’s death in TFA so he could get Oscar on board. As one does.
Idk what it is these fans have against Poe–he’s not a main character, he’s the real bad guy, he’s gonna die–but all they do is make themselves look more ridiculous and desperate with every nonsensical “argument.”
You can try a search for reylo receipts on my blog (link).
Translation: It canāt be a super-important scene if characters of color are central to the action and also I need to soothe my fear that my mass murdering patricidal fave is not in fact the male lead of the franchise.
1.37% Black. TBH I didnāt think it would be that low.
Also, they note that the ship is popular in Asian countries, meaning that some percentage of the Asian fans are not āminorities.ā
But remember, āminorityā doesnāt equal POC. It includes religious minorities, LGBTQ, people with disabilities, and, sometimes, women. White women benefit the most from Affirmative Action, after all.
Can confirm that itās popular in Asia, Korean Twitter is overrun with these demons.
Yāall do you that you can like both Kylo and Finn at the same time
Like I am almost tired of saying this. Yāall. Chill out with saying itās one or the other. Thatās stupid.
I like Kylo as a villain. What I canāt stand is that woobified Darth Negging creature that fandom has created, thatās nothing but a whitewashed Finn. Because what they really want is Finn. They just donāt want a Black man to have that character or story, they feel that the white Nazi allegory is entitled to it.
Believe me, I like Kylo just fine. Itās the fandom woobfied creature and his racist stans I loathe with a passions.
Why donāt you go tell these people they can like Kylo without turning him into Finn, without sidelining Finnās importance and without vilifying the Black male lead?
And since I knowĀ āfansā like you and yourĀ āthis never happensā bs, hereās some receipts for you.
And thatās just me going through the first couple of pages of my Reylo Racism and Reylo Receipts tags. If you want more just go read through those tags yourself.
I apologise if Iāve offended or upset you or any poc shippers first off. It really wasnāt my intention at all but if I have then Iāll take responsibility for it.
When I said that, I said it more as an exaggeration in response to ships like damerey being called racist because itās erasing a black man. And that you could easily say that finnrey is erasing a Latino man or an Asian woman in response with the logic of that opinion.
I donāt think finnrey shippers are racist at all. I like finnrey and even though I ship them more as a platonic ship, I wouldnāt be upset if they were canon.
I was going to respond to a different reblog of yours that construed my reply to say race plays no role in shipping preferences, but I canāt seem to find it anymore. Iād like to clarify that Iām of the same opinion as the people you were deriding on this thread for saying Damerey is antiblack. There is absolutely no valid reason to dismiss Finn and Reyās two movies of risking their lives for each other and missing each other, not to mention Rey straight up lying down to die with Finn, in favor of she and Poe literally saying hello. Thatās the part that annoys me about Damerey (and one of my 374801 issues with Reylo), the dismissal and minimization of Finn and Reyās bond.
Youāre also engaging in a false equivalence here. There is nothing to āeraseā between Poe and Rey, they said āhiā and bonded in the comic over being torture buddies. Rose was just plain horrible toward Finn. You canāt pretend Damerey and Finnrose had canon interactions on par with Finn and Rey and then act as though ignoring the much stronger canon bases for Finnrey is the same as pointing out the flaws in Damerey or Finnrose as canon ships.
Finally, re your tagsā¦
Youāve been given answers. Repeatedly. Youāre just choosing to ignore them. Itās fine if you donāt agree, but not engaging with the answers youāve been given after claiming to be genuinely curious seems more than a little disingenuous.
First off I just want to say in regards to damerey and finnrose, I am genuinely confused. Youāve given answers, and Iām not ignoring them lol itās just in most occasions that Iāve seen people who donāt like the two ships interact with shippers, itās been very racially charged in the sense of ādamerey is antiblack, youāre racist and hate Finn if you ship damereyā etc etc. So with the answers youāve provided, is that a common opinion that is shared between all anti shippers? That rose was horrible to Finn and that damerey is less than finnrey because they said hi once and had maybe one comic interaction?
Between the first two films, youāre right. Finn and Rey had more interaction and bond between them than Rey/Poe and Finn/rose. And even if you ship ships that are not finnrey, you canāt really ignore that. Do damerey shippers somehow erase Finns role in Reyās life? Is that why the ship is considered antiblack? (Iām genuinely tryna understand because Iām not deep in the damerey ship).
I hope @lj-writes does not mind if I add my two cents.
While I will not say that all people against damerey are against it for the same reasons, most of us are against those who insist that damerey is a ***canon*** ship stretching from TFA because of a line in the TFA novelization that could be interpreted as Rey finding Poe attractive – a novelization that has now been made uncanon because of tlj.
Again, Iām only speaking for the vast majority of anti damerey folks – there are always troublemaking overdramatic outliers. People who ship damerey as a crack ship or because they find Oscar Isaac and Daisy Ridley attractive – most of us have no issue with that. It is the others, who for two years now have decided that damerey is endgame and have gone so far as to attack black and Asian finnrey shippers with racial slurs. That has, Iām sure you understand, led to bad feeling throughout the fandom, though I personally am aware that the vast majority of damerey shippers arenāt doing that or condoning that.
But to proclaim damerey canon based on two lines in a book that is no longer canon and a 10 second exchange in a movie is antiblack because it places those two relatively meaningless (in the grand scheme of things) interactions above everything that Finn and Rey went through in the first movie and partially in the second.
Also I think some of the terminology is odd. Rey and Poe didnāt have a ābond,ā as you mention, as of tlj. They said hello. They were just meeting. Arguably they are bonding in the Poe Dameron comic but it is pretty clear that their two points of connection were Finn saving their lives and Kylo Ren torturing both of them. And at this point in the comic, Poe is preoccupied with what has happened to his squadron and Rey is studying the sacred Jedi texts, so theyāre not even in conversation as of the latest comic Iāve seen.
Tl;Dr the majority of people who say they ādonāt like/are againstā damerey are not generally against the ship per se – we are against the increasing insistence that it is a canon/endgame ship and that nothing Finn and Rey did together in the past two movies meant anything because Poe and Rey smiled at each other and said hello. Since the big difference here is that Oscar Isaac is a white passing Latine and John Boyega is a dark-skinned, broad featured black man, and it almost goes without saying that if Finn were played by a white actor, the instance of ādamereyā would be quite a bit less prevalent – probably on par with a ship like finnlo – then yes, it is fair and accurate to say that ācanonā damerey shippers are antiblack. They are motivated by not wanting the black man to be with Rey. There can be no other reason for the insistence that damerey is the endgame ship. It would be like me insisting Finn and Kay Konnix are going to marry because they spoke once.
@atoffandhisbobbyā speaks truth here. (Though Iām unfamiliar with the termĀ ābroad featured?ā All I get in searching for it are, like, ventilator specs, which I doubt are relevant though John certainly brings air to my lungs.) In my case, and the case of many Finnreys, itās also been Damereys getting in our inboxes with weird asks about how Damerey is already canon or itās racist not to ship Damerey (link, link, link, link).
To answer your first question op, while I canāt speak for all antis Iād say thatās a fairly common sentiment among us. I personally donāt interact with Damerey and Finnrose posts or shippers, I have both #damerey and #finnrose filtered and have unfollowed people who post material for these ships, especially untagged.
I also think you have a pretty flattened understanding of what it means to be critical of fandom racism. It certainly can mean self-righteous jerks going out of their way to harass shippers who are minding their own business, and I find that distasteful. (This is distinguished from pushing back against racist arguments or asking shippers who are doing something actually objectionable and harmful to stop, obviously.) The parts I find the most meaningful and worthwhile are where we point out racist patterns in fandom preferences and arguments, including for shipping. Most of the time these patterns are unconscious and implicit, and it helps me recognize my own biases and those of others so I can unlearn my own shit and formulate better arguments/understandings of stories.
In response to your second question, yes, the erasure of Finn is rampant with Damereys. See for instance this account by a Finnrey shipper who left fandom because Damereys kept cooping their Finnrey art and turning it into Damerey (link). While the described behavior took place on Instagram, Poe frequently gets inserted into Finnrey posts on Tumblr, too (link).
Similarly, the reason I filtered the #damerey tag in the first place is because I couldnāt stand how the shippers denigrate and erase Finn. Pre-TLJ I saw a Damerey shipper argue that while Finn had a ācute little crushā (ugh) on Rey, it didnāt really rise to the level of the romantic tension in the scene of Rey and Poe saying hi in the novelization. Post-TLJ there was a popular post going around saying that Poe telling Rey āI knowā was in deliberate contrast to Kylo telling her she was nothing. Never mind that it was Finn she had been constantly asking about and Finn she wanted Chewie to carry a message to while she was risking her life on a foolhardy plan, and it was Finn coming back for her that was the most devastating blow against Kylo telling her she was nothing.
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