You know in the end of tlj were we finally had Rey and Finn scene of them hug together. Well there is a Reylo art of Rey hugging not Finn but FUCKING kilo run they erased Finn and drew kilo just to have that moment. Geez can they just stop. It’s really annoying how reylow just see a pic of Daisy/Rey with Finn/John and erase him over Adam/Kilo.w

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

lj-writes:

Reylows: FINN AND REY HAVE NO ROMANTIC CHEMISTRY WHATSOEVER

Also Reylows: But replace Finn with Kilo and it’s peak romance 🙂

Pretty sure anon meant that specific scene, and I’ve seen an ugly-ass edit that erased Finn out of the actual scene to replace him with Kylo too. This isn’t even a new thing with them, they’ve even cropped John out of his pictures with Daisy to replace him with Adam.

This is the gif @lj-writes was talking about

Finnrey is platonic my ass

It still hurts to look at it’s so shitty on every level–morally, socially, emotionally, artistically, technically… 😑

Anyway here’s the shitpress, a.k.a. @thesovereignempress, purposefully interacting with me after she blocked me (and while my own block was undone because she deleted and remade) and encouraging her fellow shippers to harass me over a properly tagged anti post. Come at me with your “but you’re 39 million years old lol” anons, bros, I’ll roast you for fun like always.

I saw a post of yours and it seemed thoughtful and like you’d take the question I have seriously, so here goes. I’m a Reylo, and up until this point have been rather in the dark of criticisms of the ship. I mostly keep to myself and read fics, meta analysis etc. I was surprised to see Reylos be labeled as racist. Is this a charge leveled at Reylos because Finnrey didn’t end up happening? I’m curious if there’s something you can tell me that maybe I missed. It *seems* like sourgrapes, initially.

jewishcomeradebot:

actualreyofsunshine:

diversehighfantasy:

thelastjedicritical:

actualreyofsunshine:

I’m intrigued by the fact that you genuinely think people are labeling r//yl//os as racist because they’re annoyed their ship isn’t happening, and not because of the fact that r//yl//os have consistently proven themselves to be racist time and time again.

Some pertinent examples under the cut (STRONG trigger warning for racist slurs, multiple instances of anti-blackness and repeated use of the n-word):

Weiterlesen

This is the result when people stick to R*ylo metas and stay completely in the R*ylo bubble, becoming convinced that nothing has ever happened and that it’s all just about Finnrey shippers whining bc their ship won’t be canon… (reminder: R*ylo isn’t canon at all, there is no proof whatsoever that it will be and Finnrey has never been debunked, so there is literally no reason why this should even be the case… ) people have really been attacked, John Boyega has really been attacked… every time someone mentions Finnrey on more public social media people who state they prefer R*ylo write racist comments. It’s a fact and people should stop trying to cover it up or try to explain it away… bc they’re just SUPPORTING and PROTECTING the people who make this comments…

Overtly racist comments about Finn and Finnrey are common on social media, it’s true, but I always feel like focusing on them lets too many fans off the hook.

Shippers will say these are “bad apples” (but not in the sense that a bad apple quickly causes the whole barrel to rot, in the “#notme” sense). Not using slurs is easy for most people. The Last 50 years has been an exercise in avoiding slurs and open negativity toward Black people and replacing them with benign-sounding code. Greatschools and other school rating sites were created to covertly support antiblack racial segregation. Proximity to “good schools” in real estate means few to no Black people, and even well-meaning Obama-voting white people buy into it. That’s just one real world example of everyday white supremacy that thrives without slurs. (Of course, if those schools become integrated, you’ll hear all kinds of open racism.)

Point being, the most insidious racism is not the most obvious.

The Star Wars fandom has a huuuge racial empathy gap problem (which is addressed in OP’s link). A white person who does terrible things is seen as a victim, while a Black person who’s been victimized is either vilified or ignored. When Finn was in most scenes of TFA with Rey and Kylo was in just a few, fans hyperfocused on the Kylo scenes. When Finn had his own arc in TLJ, he all but disappeared from fandom consciousness, except to say that Finn is Taken by Rose, so therefore Reylo is inevitable. As if Finn’s arc was in any way about reylo.

Just the fact that the majority of the fandom has decided that Kylo matters more than Finn, not only to Rey, but to the entire story, says just as much about racial prejudice as the slurs that everyone agrees are racist.

Yup. I stuck to the more obvious examples because I felt subtlety would be lost on the anon, given that they think racism is an “accusation” made out of a frustration that people are “losing” a ship war, when that couldn’t be further from the point.

A lot of Reylo shippers dismiss the empathy gap as if what it really is is just a “preference” and not a serious issue with how fandoms, especially white people within fandoms, perceive black characters.

The fact that the most popular sequels trilogy ships are Reylo and Kylux is a problem. The fact that people sideline Finn, a hero, a lead character, in a series of movies meant to be about his triumph, in favour of the white male villain who is accorded sympathy he doesn’t deserve, is a problem. The fact that a great deal of Reylo shippers will outright assert that the main hero of the series is a white villain, and not the black man who is committed to defeating him for having robbed him of his family and home and humanity is a problem. The fact that people straight up said, after TFA was released, that Poe isn’t a part of the main trio and that Kylo is–these are all indicative of the way fandom will go to any lengths to prioritize white men and white male characters that they find attractive, rather than characters of colour. And that is the biggest problem out of them all.

Bluntly speaking, the fact is that Kylo Ren shouldn’t be this popular in fandom. And neither should Reylo. And the fact that they are is a textbook example of the empathy gap right there.

If you need more receipts on Reylos’ Antiblack and general racist behavior, I made a collection of some of the ones I had to hand a month ago. (Wtf, it’s exactly one month. Bizarre.)

You can find it here. It has examples going all the way back to just after TFA came out so this is in no way a new problem. It’s been going on in this fandom since December 2015 and while Reylos are by no means the only ones displaying Antiblackness they are the loudest, most consistent and by far the most aggressive group. 

In this I haven’t even included the extreme harassment that Black Finnrey shippers were at the receiving end of when Finnrey Fridays were turning into a successful repeat event. Or the kind of harassment they always resort to whenever something Finn related turns into a success, whenever Finn and/or John becomes the center of Star Wars attention. They literally cannot handle a Black man being at the center without throwing the same kind of tantrums that their abusive white fav does and start attacking fans of color, primarily targeting Black fans.

They just have that little respect and empathy for anyone who isn’t white.

Skip-is-tired is talking mad shit basically saying antis are lying and don’t have receipts about the 14 year old incident but I remember that incident and have the receipts for it. Let me know if you want the screenshots

jmidnighter:

what a pathetic and disgusting ass hole… yes please message me the screen shots right away i’m also gonna let other anti’s know to put the skip-is-tired person in their place 🙂

Oh, my god. I tried to work with skip once upon a time. They’re a disingenuous shitsack who is not worth anyone’s time–they waste your time and energy demanding receipts, and once you give them what they requested they’ll deny everything and call it nitpicking. And THEN they come crying to you asking for help with bad anti behavior, at which point I told them to take a hike and said exactly what I thought of them. Haven’t heard from them since, thank goodness.

I mean try if it makes you feel better, but my advice is don’t bother with skip. They’re one of the worst reylos, using a reasonable facade to lure you in, waste your time, gaslight you, then try to use you as a one-way emotional and social mule. I have better thoughts about thesovereignshitpress than skip, which is saying something.

This needs more recognition!

ancientreader:

lj-writes:

jewishcomeradebot:

lj-writes:

petalmist0:

I know there are many Star Wars ships and everyone defends their fav ship until it officially sinks. All I ask you all is to read this glorious work and admire that fact it has great writing and works well to portray the characters to fit the story. Not to mention despite it being one of the less popular ships this is a great work and to my joy it’s not a modern au. (Sorry people but I hate modern aus…)

But now I ask that you help me hunt down the writer and beg them to continue this fic! Please for my ever growing love of Star Wars help me convince the writer to continue this amazing thing I’ve discovered!

image

1. What the fuck

2. Why the fuck did you put this in the finnrey tag? Do you like baiting people into looking at rapefic?

Here’s the tags for good measure. And Pokemon? You piece of shit, that’s a kids franchise even more so than Star Wars. you’re straight up exposing minors to rape fic and not even so much as giving them a warning?

You’re a vile excuse for a human being and I hope you have a miserable life.

They’re straight up trying to trigger people. I’m going to wait for reylos to call this gross and vile behavior out since they always claim to care so much about the safety or rape and abuse survivors, though I won’t hold me breath while doing so.

Pokemon?! Holy shit. Also #marvel, #cats, #dogs, and #harry potter, all tags frequented by minors. Go deep-throat a cactus, OP.

And you’re right Mara, you can’t hold your breath that long. You’ll asphyxiate…😨

@lj-writes, it’s a beautiful thing that you get your undies in a bunch about fiction but you’re willing to wish serious injury on a live person. Perhaps reconsider some of your ethical choices.

Wow, some rando time out of their day to @ me and say they don’t care about minors being baited into reading rape stories but do care about the online harasser’s poor widdle feelings.

This needs more recognition!

This needs more recognition!

jewishcomeradebot:

lj-writes:

petalmist0:

I know there are many Star Wars ships and everyone defends their fav ship until it officially sinks. All I ask you all is to read this glorious work and admire that fact it has great writing and works well to portray the characters to fit the story. Not to mention despite it being one of the less popular ships this is a great work and to my joy it’s not a modern au. (Sorry people but I hate modern aus…)

But now I ask that you help me hunt down the writer and beg them to continue this fic! Please for my ever growing love of Star Wars help me convince the writer to continue this amazing thing I’ve discovered!

image

1. What the fuck

2. Why the fuck did you put this in the finnrey tag? Do you like baiting people into looking at rapefic?

Here’s the tags for good measure. And Pokemon? You piece of shit, that’s a kids franchise even more so than Star Wars. you’re straight up exposing minors to rape fic and not even so much as giving them a warning?

You’re a vile excuse for a human being and I hope you have a miserable life.

They’re straight up trying to trigger people. I’m going to wait for reylos to call this gross and vile behavior out since they always claim to care so much about the safety or rape and abuse survivors, though I won’t hold me breath while doing so.

Pokemon?! Holy shit. Also #marvel, #cats, #dogs, and #harry potter, all tags frequented by minors. Go deep-throat a cactus, OP.

And you’re right Mara, you can’t hold your breath that long. You’ll asphyxiate…😨

This needs more recognition!

This needs more recognition!

petalmist0:

I know there are many Star Wars ships and everyone defends their fav ship until it officially sinks. All I ask you all is to read this glorious work and admire that fact it has great writing and works well to portray the characters to fit the story. Not to mention despite it being one of the less popular ships this is a great work and to my joy it’s not a modern au. (Sorry people but I hate modern aus…)

But now I ask that you help me hunt down the writer and beg them to continue this fic! Please for my ever growing love of Star Wars help me convince the writer to continue this amazing thing I’ve discovered!

image

1. What the fuck

2. Why the fuck did you put this in the finnrey tag? Do you like baiting people into looking at rapefic?

This needs more recognition!

theblackwolfking:

This is the canon image:

After being Separated for an entire film, dealing with Trumatic experiences, being betrayed, and starring death Itself in the face, Finn and Rey finally find each other again.

This is bullshit:

image

This is why it’s time for Reylo to end.

I’m not implying racism, cause you don’t need to imply the obvious!

The literal only scene Rey and Finn have in TLJ is destroyed for a piss poor edit that makes as much sense as Yoda being Mace Windu’s mother!

I hope Episode 9 opens with a low angle ass shot of Luke banging Mara Jade in a dirty Catina bathroom while Han and Leia film it and a child Benjamin Solo cheers for the couple to make him a niece and name her Rey.

I’m no editing master either but that edit gives me physical pain. You can actually see through a section of the cliff behind Kylo and he is poorly cropped, looking like he’s been summoned from another dimension and confused about it. He’s stationary and unemotive, as he tends to be in these edits where he replaces Finn because there’s no match between the emotion of the scene and whatever scene he was cut from. This is ugly, both in its intent and the execution.