fuckyeahrebelfinn:

I’ve been thinking about which roles Finn and Poe could be playing in the Resistance in IX. Since they’re both leadership types there would be a great chance of the two of them tripping over each other narratively if they fill a similar capacity, especially since the Resistance according to Oscar is still very small. But with the new Star Wars show “Resistance” once more emphasizing Poe’s role in espionage I think they might give us general Finn and spy master Poe.

It would let both men play to their strengths and experiences while not tripping over each other plot wise.

Finn is a talented leader and great at inspiration. He has knowledge of, and talent for, unconventional battle tactics that works. One of the reasons Phasma wanted him for the officers track in the First Order before he noped out of that fascist regime in epic fashion. With any kind of sizable time skip, which we’re almost certain to see, Finn would have had to gain experience as well making him an excellent general for the Resistance.

Poe has experience with intelligence gathering and espionage from before he became involved in the Resistance. And a tiny Resistance would rely heavily on correct intel and prior knowledge of targets if their attacks were to have any effect against the First Order and not cost themselves too dearly in soldiers and materiel they cannot afford to lose.

In fact such a division could make for a good set up for roles for the entire heroic quartet as @lj-writes pointed out to me, with Finn leading the Resistance’s martial arm, Poe’s its intelligence capacities, Rey at least for the time being representing its Jedi/mystical capabilities and Rose rounding out the leadership by representing the all important support personnel – mechanics, medics, ect – without which the Resistance would not survive long.

~Mod Mara

The Resistance relying so heavily on intelligence would also be a nice dovetail into Poe being the Resistance’s overall leader, something he was being set up for in… pretty much every piece of franchise material he appeared in, most explicitly in The Last Jedi and the Poe Dameron comic.

This sets up an interesting dynamic between Finn and Poe, among others, because Finn has never been… how shall we say it… good with orders and bosses. I mean, ask the aforementioned Phasma. Wait you can’t lmaoooo

Even aside from the part where Finn understandably flips the bird to fascists, Poe himself tried to give Finn something approaching orders twice in two movies and Finn was 0/2 in following them. “We’re going back to Jakku!” “No, that’s stupid.” “Come back, this mission is a bust!” “Hell 2 the No!!”

This independence of thought is part of Finn’s strength and in fact in the best tradition of the Rebellion, e.g. Cassian, Raddus, Lando…, but it does mean that Poe would be foolish to expect a traditional superior-subordinate relationship with Finn. It’s interesting to speculate how Poe will carry forward his experience with Holdo and Leia in dealing with Finn. (I’m fine with the Holdo episode being quickly forgotten, personally. I mean, literally, “That’s not how the Rebellion works!”)

I think the franchise’s recent emphasis on maintenance and materiel–most prominently fuel–looks promising for Rose’s role. It’s also part of the reason I speculated that supplies will be a major part of Episode IX. As you pointed out, Rose’s technical expertise makes her indispensable to this side of the Resistance’s operations, making her vital for both intelligence and military operations. Rose started her career in the Resistance as a flight mechanic, serving aboard a bomber and providing real-time support in the thick of battle, and with the Resistance understaffed as it is she could reprise that role. It would lead to personal challenges, too, because the Cobalt Squadron book tells us that being responsible for lives in battle took a toll on her preexisting anxiety issues and she always flew with Paige before. The first time she didn’t, well, that was when Paige died.

Rey’s role as the Jedi is the vaguest, in some ways. Like you I am not enamored with the idea of her getting yet a third confrontation with Kylo Ren. This isn’t the Luke situation with Vader, where Luke was able to avoid confrontation with Vader altogether in the first movie, suffered defeat and a shocking revelation in the second, and was primed for a rematch in the third. She’s already beaten Kylo 2 for 2, there’s nothing to prove by kicking his ass a third time. She explicitly tried to replicate Luke’s Vader redemption ending, that bridge is crossed and burned. He tried Palpatine-style temptation on her, again, didn’t work. She was going for the RotJ ending and he for the RotS one, and they both failed. There’s nothing left in that direction that isn’t a boring repeat. As I said before, I’d find it interesting if she took point on eliminating the Knights of Ren so they can’t tamp down discontent in the FO ranks, causing chaos in the FO, kind of a “defeat the middle bosses to unlock the big boss” situation.

It’s Finn, not Rey, who is in Luke’s situation with this series’ Big Bad. Only it’s Luke’s sequence reversed, with a defeat and injury in the first movie and avoidance of confrontation in the second, leaving tension for the final confrontation. His position representative of the Resistance’s martial arm places him on a direct collision course with Kylo Ren. Now that’s a grudge match I’m up for.

themandalorianwolf:

It’s okay to still believe in Force User Finn and Rey Skywalker

People never had a problem with Leia being a Skywalker because she wasn’t the lead, she didn’t recognize her as one, and she never held a lightsaber in the movies. That’s not case with Rey.

People never had a problem when Mace Windu being a black Jedi because he was a supporting character, he was in the background, and he wasn’t one of the new faces of Star Wars.

Finn being a force user wasn’t some affirmative action, social justice warrior, escapist crack Theory. It was literally just watching Finn go through the traditional hero’s journey, only with a modern theme and TFA doesn’t imply it, doesn’t hint at it, but it freaking screams in your ear while dangling Finn holding a lightsaber that this dude is a force user. Being a force user doesn’t erase his 20 years of enslavement as a forced Stormtrooper or his deflection. The Force doesn’t have a color or gender it belongs to everyone, no matter what Karen or Brett say. The Force has been used by Lazy muppet people and literal fascist murders, nothing is exclusive about the force. It wouldn’t ruin Finn’s character at all and the arguments against it are bias.

Rey being a Skywalker wasn’t about some blood purity, keeping it all traditional, Mary Sue self insert bs. It’s literally just drawing the logical conclusion as to why this random woman keeps getting shoved into the middle of this one family and keeps being involved with mysteriously vague scenes that connect her mysterious part further to this family‘s past. The Skywalkers are literally born from slaves and farmers, and this powerful legacy stuff is made up bulk shit. The Skywalkers are literally only know for being a slaves, farmers, hermits, and a fascist. Rey being a Skywalker isn’t a gift or a curse, it’s just giving her a family that loves her but she was taken away from.

And nobody is saying these things have to happen, but the general argument everyone uses is just that they don’t like it, so not only shouldn’t it not happen, but it shouldn’t be brought up, regardless of heavy foreshadowing.

ReySky and ForceFinn isn’t a fetish kink like Reylow, it’s not a Doomrey stupid ass theory cause of a greeting, and it’s not those Snoke is Mace Windu dank theories that have no validation.

Both beliefs of ForceFinn and ReySky were grounded in a positive mind set and were equally progressive. Did some bad apples take it too far? Yes, but every part of the SW fandom has a bad apple.

Some people would just like to think TFA wasn’t a giant red hearing that meant nothing at all but to be Johnson’s subversion target. We already had character arcs repeated and now people want to make the movie completely pointless to pay attention to? If I wanted to watch confusing garbage, I’d watch Looper or Age of Ultron.

Why have so many scenes that mean nothing to the film or the future of the movies? With how much was really riding on TFA, am I really supposed to believe JJ just chose his two leads to entire character arcs didn’t mention?

Why is Maz asking about Rey, when Finn is the ex Stormtrooper acting suspicious? It’s scenes like this that ignore Finn to focus on Rey’s no last name given mysterious past that make me question why even bother with so much secrecy?

Why do Snoke and Kylo feel an Awakening in the force if only Fin has been the one showing all the signs, and Rey is just living her normal life? It’s scenes like this that focus on Finn’s connection to the force over Rey’s that make me question why even put all that in there in there?

I’m tired of people ignoring Finn and making him out to be nothing, even though TFA screams that he is something. It’s just about letting him have an ability he was hinted to have since TFA.

I’m tired of peoole saying Rey being related to Luke is some terrible thing. It’s just about giving Rey a family she was hinted to have since TFA.

If people can’t understand how Finn not being Force sensitive undercuts them, if people don’t understand how Rey not being a Skywalker undercuts, then that’s their problem.

Do they have to be those things? No. But many people would like to know that TFA wasn’t a complete lack of time.

These situations remind of the current Finnrey situation.

It’s like if something looks different to how people want it, Black Protagonist Jedi, Woman protagonist Skywalker, interracial relationship between the leads, the public and media will do whatever it takes to erase it and underplay it, but also make everyone turn against because of bad examples that don’t represent something that could have, and very well might still be, something incredibly progressive and positive.

I was against ReySky after TFA, because I thought that the movie was too painfully derivative, and ReySky was too obvious. After TLJ, I changed my mind, because my biggest problem with the ST is the utter ruination of everything the OT heroes did and the seeming pointlessness of their struggle. RotJ was my favorite movie, and having all of Luke’s efforts be smashed by the capriciousness of the ST writers was horrible. I don’t care about blood purity and really don’t care about Kylo Ren, but the idea of the Skywalker line dying out in such a banal, depressing story makes the ST worse for me than it already is.

I understand and respect your opinion about how it’s more democratic for Luke’s legacy to be passed down through his non-blood-related students… but I see no reason at all to think that it would last any more than the OT’s successes did. The way the ST is set up has burned all of my goodwill or trust in anything working out in this universe in the future. Everything is built on sand. There is no victory, only war. Even though bloodline is petty, it could be something, perhaps the only thing, that survives between the OT and ST. Without that, everything of the OT heroes dies, and nothing remains to say that the works of the ST heroes won’t die just as ignominiously.

I really wish people would get off Rey’s parents. They aren’t focusing on Rey or the plot, but her last name. It’s the exact opposite of Finn origins that relates to Finn’s growth and their involvement of 9. I love the Rey Skywalker theory too, but not at the cost of Rey’s relevance or her individuality and I hate the blood purity reasons. Before TLJ Reysky would have made her happy, but now 90% of her family would be dead. Unless Luke returns as a Yoda role, I don’t see it ever working.

themandalorianwolf:

lj-writes:

Yeah it’s distasteful to make her a tool of carrying on the Skywalker name at the expense of her character development and happiness. I’ve been noticing more and more similarities between diehard canon ReySky and canon Reylow, and this treatment of Rey is one of them.

I really hate that. As someone who is a fan of the theory it hurts to let go, but if it’s not there, not there. I didn’t like Rey because she might have been a Skywalker.

My feelings can be summed up by Mark’s words to Daisy: “Luke would be lucky to have a daughter like you.”

It’s a sweet idea, because of what it would mean to both characters, but just wanting it for the sake of warning it doesn’t do anything for anybody. I want Mandalorian Finn, but if it didn’t happen I still would love Finn. I don’t like this whole trend that if what some people want for a character doesn’t come true, they’ll hate the character.

And I don’t mean like how Rian destroyed canon for TLJ, I mean that if Rey isn’t a Skywalker, Finn isn’t a Mandalorian, or Poe isn’t gay, people will hate them. At the end of the day if people love these characters, they will love them even if their origins don’t line up to what you want. I hate characterization of almost everyone in TLJ, but I still love them S characters.

There are people who would hate Rey if she weren’t a Skywalker? O_o These people are like actually siding with Kyle’s blood supremacism and his insistence that if her parents weren’t important, neither is she? Imagine being like Kylo Ren. Don’t be like Kylo Ren, people.

Keri Russell is being cast in IX.

lj-writes:

I’m already tired of fandom screaming “Rey’s mom!!”

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@beyourowndensity I thought it was very likely at that point, too. What passed between Luke and Rey in TLJ is, at the very least, not commensurate with all the foreshadowing of their connection in TFA or even just the resonance of that final shot.

I wonder also what prompted Daisy to say RJ may have thrown out JJ’s outlines even while she professed not to know their contents–could she have had discussions with JJ about the parts that pertained to her character? Writers do that with actors sometimes, giving them spoilers so they can act the part right. JK Rowling privately gave Alan Rickman (rest in peace) spoilers about Snape (rest in pieces) because the 7th book was not out at the time the first films were coming out. Geoge Lucas had a fake line spoken on set at the parentage revelation in ESB, “Obi-Wan killed your father!” Instead of “I am your father!” to prevent leakage, but told Mark the real line to get the appropriate reaction. So if anyone would be given that kind of secret tip, particularly at the last shot of TFA, it’s Mark and Daisy, making Daisy one of the few people who could possibly tell RJ had deviated from the outline for VIII without having read it.

That said, I believe that train has left the station and there’s almost no way to make Rey a Skywalker or Solo without making the revelation weirdly cursory and abrupt or, alternately, making it so big as to swallow up all of Episode IX. I’d really prefer if the matter were laid to rest and I’m not at all adverse to the Skywalkers dying out with a genocidaire and patricide. The blood worship was my least favorite part of the franchise and fandom anyway, let the Skywalkers die and stay dead.

theblackwolfking:

“Rey isn’t extra or dramatic enough to be a Skywalker!”

Rey literally searched through the snow to die next to the man she had at at max met 48 hours ago, yet she still adored him more than anything.

I repeat, instead of fleeing or trying to find any safe way off the planet, Rey made the choice to die on the soon to be destroyed planet because dying next to the only person who had ever come back for her meant more than living a life never knowing that type of devotion again.

Rey didn’t try to find the Falcon.

Rey didn’t try to wave any other ships down with her rave glow stick.

Rey definitely didn’t try to save her dumbass cousin who was bleeding out in the snow!

No, Rey chose to to lay down next to the boy she had grown to adore and die with him. She had accepted her parents were never coming back to Jakku she whatever home she could of had was right in front of her.

This is why Rey is a Skywalker. She would endure and go through anything for the person she loves.

She is a Skywalker in spirit if not in blood. Also rave glow stick omg 😂

reyahsokas:

since lucasfilm doesnt give a shit about consistency in canon anymore, that means anything can be canon, which means rey skywalker is canon, finn and rey are in love and married, poe is not straight, han and luke are alive and well, kylo ren is dead, snoke doesnt exist, and rey and ahsoka tano are bffs