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ljones41:

Why didn’t Rey continue to question Kylo Ren’s excuse for murdering some of Luke’s other padawans?  I never understood that.  Why didn’t Rey continue to question his lack of an excuse for murdering Han?  What did Luke padawans do that led to their slaughter?  Did they deliberately tried to harm Kylo Ren as well?  Did they kidnap Leia or someone else that Ren loved and tortured that person to death for a month?  Why didn’t Rey berate Kylo Ren for nearly killing Finn?

Why didn’t Rey continue to question Kylo Ren’s crimes?  Why didn’t Rian Johnson allow her to continue questioning Ren’s action?

Why did Kylo Ren kill the other padawans in the first place? The more I think about it, the more I’m starting to believe this movie is worse than the bloody prequels…

Why did Luke think Vader still had good inside him? Once you head down the rabbit hole of thinking about the story of Star Wars, you get more and more close to the plot-hole event horizon…

1) Luke had something like a year to mull things through, Rey has had a max of two days since Kylo tortured her, tried to kill her, tried to kill her only friend, did kill a man she’d come to view as family (something she’d always longed to have). There is no time at all for Rey to get any kind of emotional distance to the crimes Kylo committed against her and people she care about.

2) Luke has a connection to Vader. One he suspects at first – Vader’s words just won’t leave him be even though he might try to deny them – which is then confirmed by Yoda and Obi-Wan. What is more, Vader is Luke’s father and it’s very clear from ESB that Luke has something of a father complex. 

Anakin is this mythical Jedi Knight, a legendary figure of good to Luke that he can’t live up to. Then he learns that this mythical figure is in fact the galaxy’s greatest villain. Luke has to believe that there’s good in Vader, that Anakin is still in there somewhere, or his whole world falls apart. It just so turns out that he was right, or at least in part. I won’t so much say that there was good in Vader as that Luke hit on that one button that drove both Vader and Anakin, family. When Luke pleads with Vader to save him at the end of the Death Star duel he’s pleading with him as a son to his father, that is what makes Vader finally turn against the Emperor.

Anakin turned to the Dark Side in an attempt to save his family, and fails to do so. Over twenty years later Vader turns against the Dark Side to do the same thing, this time succeeding.

But the tl;dr here is that Luke has a vested interest in Vader and his possible goodness given their relationship, what connection does Rey carry to Kylo? None, absolutely none. Had they been related, then I could see her drive for her family cling to a desperate hope the same way Luke did thirty years prior. Even with Rey Random had she build a connection to Luke even if they weren’t related by blood this could have worked, again if she saw Luke as family. Heck, Rian could have used the connection she build with Han in this way if he wanted to, but instead Rey’s feelings in this regard is never dealt with. She once asks Kylo angrily why he killed him and then the subject is forever dropped.

Rey, unlike Luke, has no in-universe reason to believe in Kylo’s goodness. We’re offered some vague, handwavey line about her “trying to save the Resistance” but no convincing argument or why she thinks he is their last hope (and not herself) or why he would ever listen to her as he’s done nothing but dismiss, manipulate and demean her since the movie started.

In short. With Rey as with all the characters in this movie, Rian gives jack all about what makes them tick. Which surprisingly makes him a worse writer than even George. Inept though George often was he usually had a handle on what drove the characters and let them drive the plot, rather than let the plot dictate the characters actions. 

(Only time he deviated was AotC which until TLJ was considered the worst Star Wars movie for exactly this reason. In fact, Rian managed to copy every single one of George’s flaws without having a single one of his positive traits or his charm. Hence he made the worst Star Wars movie to date)