“Rian Johnson wasn’t hired to do Episode IX because he’s too busy! JJ was available and doing nothing!”
JJ Abrams is probably one of the most sought after directors in the business right now and talk whatever crap you want about him, his name right now is attached to some of the critical acclaimed things that it would take longer to list than it would be to list the almost laughable resume Rian Johnson has.
Disney and Lucasfilm had to do freaking backflips and jump threw fire hoops just to get JJ Abrams from Paramount. Disney and Lucasfilm had to pay to hire JJ Abrams, just so they could pay him again, just so he legally could work on IX.
Put that into perspective. Disney and Lucasfilm would have rather spent millions to get JJ Abrams back, then give Johnson Episode IX and watch him completely destroy the franchise beyond repair that even Sony’s Amazing Spider-Man 2 would blush at how bad he fucked up a franchise.
JJ Abrams was hired to come back to direct IX because Rian Johnson was poison and everyone knows it. IMO, Johnson’s trilogy officially died the same day Bob Iger apologized for letting Lucasfilm be ran so ass backwards and then killed off any spinoff movies till only Qui-Gon Jin knows when.
If anyone is expecting to get more of TLJ is IX, I hate to break it to you, Disney and Lucasfilm want IX to be nothing like that hot piece of trash. They can’t publicly bash it or disown it due to that would make them look bad, but be assure that they Rian Johnson screwed up. If they didn’t think that, Johnson would be the one directing IX, not JJ. If anyone, including Johnson says otherwise, they don’t understand filmmaker, in denial, or a damn liar.
Seriously, if they wanted a repeat or direct continuation of TLJ why wouldn’t they just use RJ who would’ve been way easier and cheaper to get?
It would be disturbingly cheaper. Just comparing JJ’s IMDb page to Johnson’s is laughable. The only other big films Johnson has done besides TLJ, was The Brothers Bloom (2008) and Looper (2012). Both of which are now forgotten. Meanwhile if you blink, JJ Abrams has already sneaked into your home and uploaded a copy of his new Cloverfiled movie that is just a 2 and half teaser for IX.
The lengths some people go to in order to worship RJ makes me laugh. Honestly he is the worst. He caused a bitter split in the Star Wars fandom and screwed up a 40 year old franchise. Give me JJ over RJ any day.
Do you have links for the Bob Iger apology and the official cancellation of RJ’s trilogy? I would love to read them if you do!
@skywalkerrains Here is the interview The Hollywood Reporter did with Iger a couple months ago where he basically admitted that he made a mistake in pumping out so much so soon:
As far as I’m aware (someone correct me if I’m wrong), RJ’s trilogy hasn’t been officially cancelled or anything, but many people think it is because in recent interviews with higher ups, such as this one, they haven’t mentioned the trilogy when talking about future projects and I haven’t heard any news about the trilogy in months. I personally don’t think it will happen, but that there won’t be any official announcement since that might look bad. I think they would just bank on most people forgetting that it was ever a thing.
@awesomeswimmer21 Thank you so much! I hope like crazy RJ’s trilogy gets offically cancelled.
That would be a glorious day indeed : D
IMO I doubt it’ll happen. Johnson’s trilogy will just get locked in “development” for years until its’ eventually canceled due to schedule conflicts. If Johnson was actually going to be making a new trilogy, do you think he would have started working on his busted ass new film “Knives Out” or been working with Lucasfilm to start production on his new set? The fact that Lucasfilm hasn’t mentioned a word about this says something loud.
The last news including facts about this trilogy was RJ saying it was so hard to write bc it didn’t include the Skywalkers. We all know he couldn’t write shit even WITH the Skywalkers. I would bet that there isn’t even a half solid outline for this trilogy out there…
Who knew that handing a multimillion dollar movie to a director with zero blockbuster experience and very little cred in even indie productions wouldn’t turn out well? The outcome was impossible to predict! ¯_(ツ)_/¯
How do I know about Daisy and John, or just Daisy?
I do both anyway 🙂
Daisy, by her own words, cried her eyes out when reading the TLJ script and finding out Rey and Finn would be apart from each other and had gone to RJ to talk about the script (link). The only other thing she ever says about TLJ is the same as Mark did after undoubtedly Disney told him to stop speaking his mind, she would always say “It’s good to be pushed out of your comfort zone” or that “TLJ didn’t feel like a sequel to TFA, but it’s own thing.” I think that’s as close as we’re ever going to get to a professional who gets their bred and butter from Disney ever talking against a movie from them. Though Daisy did say after a rough day on set filming TLJ that she was never going to play Rey again after IX. This was also at the time Daisy thought that Johnson would be doing IX since Colin was already let go at this time for IX.
John behaved more vague about his dislike of TLJ, but it doesn’t take much to see that he didn’t enjoy it at all. His enthusiasm for EP-VIII seemed to have died down through the months until it all but faded completely and he often said the same things as Daisy, that it was hard to be separated from each other and how different things were from TFA. I mean half of all his plot relevant scenes were cut, but there was plenty of Canto light Bright, Tiddy milking, Ben Swallo, and Holdo pissing contents with Poe left in, so I don’t think it’s a far stretch to believe he hated it even if he hadn’t spoken out as much as Mark and Daisy. Remember, John doesn’t want to end up like Terrance Howard.
Thanks for the Ask! Sick avatar.
Also remember Daisy’s ecstatic reaction at finding out JJ and not RJ would be doing IX, and how JJ regretted not staying for VIII (link)?
Yeah, I think LF massively dropped the ball on keeping canon consistent, and for that matter reining in RJ’s worst impulses.
I think that while both Cobalt Squadron and the gameplay for Battlefront II Single Player was written with the writers having zero knowledge about the plot in TLJ because Rian was that intent on keeping everything a freaking secret. So the writers did what writers are wont to do and treated the heroes as you know, the actual heroes, inadvertently causing a heap of continuity problems because people who didn’t know each other now do (Holdo and Rose) or have knowledge that makes them right when the plot in TLJ tries to discredit their actions (Poe).
This si where the story group should have come in and done their damn job at keeping continuity consistent. So yeah CS was written after TLJ but the author clearly had no idea about the plot or how the characters would be treated and the story group did jack shit to correct matters. And that’s entirely on LF and the story group.
And fans trying to make sense of this mess is nothing new, we been doing this damn shit since 1980 where the first plot inconsistencies happened. And really the only thing that makes sense with Rose not even considering going to Holdo is that she for some reason dislikes the woman, with the plot in CS in mind and how Holdo have “forgotten” everything about her, it is not hard to envision why.
The result of all this is that TLJ has become the odd one out in canon, treating the heroes as bumbling and incompetent when they were, like, actually heroic in the EU. And the only way to reconcile the differences is to add in a whole lot of subtext and read the text in ways the creators never seem to have intended, such as Holdo being the worst boss ever or Poe being right all along. It’s why, for those who had problems with it, TLJ is vastly improved simply by reading in different subtexts and making minor changes so the subtext is validated by text (link). I noticed that some of the fans who enjoy TLJ do something similar, by adding details in their own heads to make the incongruities fit (link, link). These aren’t interpretations that are supported by and expand the canon, such as reading coping mechanisms into Finn’s actions in the movies (link). Rather these are readings that have to contradict heavy-handedly stated authorial intent in order to fix what is broken.
This is exactly the kind of thing LF and Story Group should have worked with RJ to fix before the movie came out, but instead they were content to release a flawed and incoherent product. Or maybe they were forced to by an overloaded schedule that culminated in the financial failure of Solo, but the end result is the same: The product is poor and made no sense in the larger universe that LF itself validated as being canonical. They failed at their jobs.
Did you have a favourite character to write in the new ‘Star Wars’ generation of characters?
Alan Dean Foster: There is always a favourite. Obi-Wan Kenobi is that one, but I really like Rey. I think she is a good central character, I think I may write her differently in some ways, but any writer would probably say that, otherwise you’d just have clones of the original writer. She is interesting and resourceful and hopefully her background will be developed in different ways and in more detail. I would have gone a different way with her in the recent film, but a lot of people would say that.
I also like the character of Finn, he is very under developed and there is an enormous amount of potential there for his character. His character harks back to the people in the German army fighting who disagreed with what was going on, but I think there is a lot of internal conflict there that needs to be explored other than just kind of using him, as you will, occasional comic relief and he seems to be a filler right now. We don’t know what he is thinking or what is going on and he just exists to advance the plot at certain points. I think he is a much more interesting character than that.
Wow, even Alan disagrees with how they’ve been treated lately. Isn’t that something?
He was writing for them both. It’s probably disappointing to see Finn get sidelined and Rey be reduced to someone who torrents her abilities.
Interesting if even the writers didn’t like TLJ. Wasn’t John Williams also not fond of TLJ?
He stated at least once that he doesn’t believe TLJ’s treatment of Rey’s backstory is the real deal. What’s worth noting is that after TFA he stated that he believed Luke was her father. While I’m not too invested in that idea anymore, I do want something better than the inconsistent, pointless and lazy answer that TLJ gave us.
Mark Hamill said that JJ’s version of Episode VIII was “much different” than Rian’s version. Daisy said that JJ had developed an outline and ideas for VIII that Rian pretty much tossed aside. It speaks for itself honestly.
Also to further answer your question, Oscar, Mark, Daisy, and both Johns have voiced some form of criticism(s) against TLJ.
TLJ literally seems like it was made by an anti SJW who was forced to make a movie with a diverse cast and “feminist” ideas and so he wrote down his wrong perceptions of how feminism and diversity work, thinking this is what dumb SJWs want in the world, while he’s at the same time totally locked up inside his own sexist and racist thinking patterns. The movie is like the worst pseudo feminist pseudo diverse parody of all time but it’s for real.
That’s actually a pretty accurate description of TLJ and Johnson. Funny thing is he fooled a lot of people
Yeah the really disturbing part isn’t that he did it but that a lot of self professed progressives are falling over themselves licking his ass for it.
i ran out of space in the last anon but yeah, my point basically
is that finn had a lot of screentime in [tfa] because he was with another
lead (rey), rian alienated him in tlj so he had less screentime but the
screentime was all about his character for better or for worse, and in 9
we’ll see him go back to tfa amounts if not more.
That’s something else that bothers me about TLJ, though, because Finn is at least as much Kylo Ren’s foil as Rey is and should have been more involved in the plot with KR. There was nothing inevitable about Finn getting less time with other leads and less screen time in addition to the crappy and pointless retread of his arc from the prior movie.
RJ himself said he cut a lot of Finn’s scenes because they were more plotty and therefore disposable, and again, there was nothing about Finn’s character or the story that dictated that Finn get the plotty and less-important scenes that subsequently ended up on the cutting room floor.
This anon is quite simply writing nonsense. Rey’s screentime did not double. Rey’s screentime got LESS, significantly, compared to TFA, and Finn’s screentime was cut in half compared to his screentime in TFA. Rey lost approx. 13 minutes, Finn lost almost 20 minutes. Just in case: Rey, IN TFA, was with the OTHER LEAD, WHO WAS FINN!. Kylo Ren’s screentime didn’t even get significantly bigger compared to TFA but this time it was used to let him ramble his BS, when during most of TFA he was a horror in a mask. Rey’s or Finn’s screentime should not depend on who they are with, they are lead characters whose screentime should be planned in advance and it should be essential that their screentime is important and that the story revolves around them! Then doing what RJ did to Finn would be IMPOSSIBLE! I mean I could also argue Rey’s screentime just exists so that we can hear Kylo whine and Luke being an ass bc nothing much else fucking happens. Finn’s screentime wasn’t connected to RJ’s only real idea for TLJ, so it could just be cut. Also please tell me how space horses and naked butt aliens and boring shit people went to the LOO for bc they couldn’t take it anymore was all about Finn. He learned NOTHING he didn’t already know in TFA! This nonsense was straight up filler material! and RJ CUT scenes that could’ve deepened his character development and story bc he somehow believed they didn’t matter!!!!!!
So again: Finn’s screentime does not depend on who he is with. His screentime should stand on its OWN bc he is IMPORTANT. Fucking hell, I can’t handle this BULLSHIT
I’m not believing anything till there’s an actual set filming date.
I’ve seen films not happen before. The Gambit movie has been in production hell for over decade
This dumbass probably hasn’t gotten the memo that his movie sucked and still wants to be associated with star wars. He can choke
Movies that have been “confirmed” to still be happen:
A Gambit movie
A Bad Boys 3
A Last of Us movie
A Mass Effect movie
A Deadshot movie
A Black Widow movie
Any superhero movie that hasn’t officially started filming
The list is endless. Let’s see what Johnson says after IX. There might be a trilogy after IX, but he won’t be doing it. Just like everyone said Joss Whedon was doing Batgirl…until he wasn’t.
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