Despite an organised campaign by racists attempting to bork it, Black Panther’s audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is now 78% and rising.
The Last Jedi, meanwhile, has an audience score of 48% and falling. So can we kill forever the idea that TLJ’s low score has anything to do with people gaming the system? The reason TLJ has a historically low score for a Star Wars movie is that a historically large number of people seriously disliked it.
And some of those people were racists and misogynists, but lots of others were feminists who hated its treatment of its female characters, or POC who hated its treatment of its characters of colour, or just people in general who didn’t think it was a very good movie.
If the answer to the question “why did that character do that?” is “because the plot required them too” then there’s something fundamentally wrong with both your plot and your characters.
I have honest to God seen every excuse pulled out of every ass for Rose’s tasing of Finn and it’s so tiring. She was grieving! (Doesn’t justify it.) She had to defend herself! (From what?) He was a deserter! (Nope.) He was a traitor! (Nope.) He was… a prisoner? (Whut?)
How about: It was wrong. Why is it so hard to say that Rose tasing Finn was wrong, just like Rey hitting Finn was wrong? It was not instructive for him. (And why are you all so hung up on the idea that Finn had to be “taught” by violence and pain anyway?) He did not need it for his character development.
Just stop with the bullshit excuses. You can love a character who did something wrong. It doesn’t make her an irredeemable monster; it means she has flaws and room for growth.
@infinitepunches Yes, it’s morally wrong to inflict pain and injury on unfounded suspicion when the person is non-threatening and could be given a chance to back down quietly, or even be ordered to the brig under armed guard. At this point the idea that Finn is a traitor was pure speculation and he was not a physical threat. The use of force was unfounded, excessive, and yeah, wrong. And thanks for being Asshat #6,049 to come at me with your contortions trying to justify violent assault, on the VERY POST WHERE I WAS RANTING ABOUT HOW SICK I AM OF THAT SHIT.
Did anyone in the movie ever even say that she was authorized or told by the Resistance leaders to do that? Because I got the impression that she just did that on her own without being sanctioned or told by anyone…
@scorpiokillmonger even if we assume the facts as favorably as we can for Rose, that she was under orders to tase anyone who wanted to leave, it was a wrongful order if it included attacking people who could be made to stand down peacefully (which is a big if, but again assuming for the sake of argument). No one is obligated to follow unlawful orders so the whole “she was just following orders” argument is bunk even under this most favorable set of assumptions. It’s almost like she was in an organization created to RESIST wrongful authority… or something…
Yup. If racists had the numbers and clout to rig RT scores en masse, imagine what BP’s scores would look like right now. While I don’t believe BP’s audience score is nearly as high as it deserves to be, it’s still a solid positive which is way more than what TLJ had. Johnson was a dick for suggesting the two were equivalent cases in the first place, and even by that metric he’s still losing. What a loser. 😛
Black Panther actually managed to creep up to 75% since yesterday. I suspect it’ll actually inch up a few points over the next week or two. Your racist trolls didn’t actually have to bother to see it to immediately spam 0/5′s the second voting was allowed on Rotten Tomatoes. Those who actually want to watch it have to… watch it first, so votes from them would come slightly later. It only just today released in the United States so expect a lot more votes to come rolling in.
Regardless, it’s gonna have a way better reception than the Last Jedi, which wasn’t targetted by an organized hate campaign (despite how much Disney and Rainy Day Johnson try gas-lighting people into thinking it was). 😉
And since posting this it’s climbed up to 76%. It’s almost like people are actually enjoying this movie or something. =D
You mean to say people can genuinely find a SW movie to be crap and enjoy Black Panther more? Perish the thought! 😂
Doing so in a military organization will result in official reprimand, though. Or worse.
Going against those with power is always dangerous. It is, however, often the right thing to do. Even when the consequences aren’t exactly as expected, what Ahsoka says here still applies. 100%.
What if Finn had the same “hope” Poe is expected to have in Holdo in Phasma and the First Order? As established in Phasma, many of the First Order stormtroopers have the same hope that the Order’s rule will bring peace and justice to the galaxy. It’s a dangerous double standard, to ask stormtroopers to question their leaders and do what feels right and then turn right around and expect rebels to blindly obey even when they think their leaders are immoral and possibly treacherous.
imagine being so arrogant and racist that you make the planned rigging of black panther’s score about your shitty movie where the low score was actually proven true like shut the fuck up and go crawl back into adam drivers asshole
The Last Jedi is explicit with its messaging in every scene. The new character, Rose, is hated so much because she is the one burdened with the preaching. She follows the protagonist around spouting propaganda such as, “We must protect animals,” “We must love and not hate,” and “We must distrust the military-industrial complex.” The narrative sags every time Rose is on screen, with scenes that appear to have been shoehorned in for the sake of the lesson dragging down the tension.
The Last Jedi is explicit with its messaging in every scene. The new character, Rose, is hated so much because she is the one burdened with the preaching. She follows the protagonist around spouting propaganda such as, “We must protect animals,” “We must love and not hate,” and “We must distrust the military-industrial complex.” The narrative sags every time Rose is on screen, with scenes that appear to have been shoehorned in for the sake of the lesson dragging down the tension.
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