Tag: sequel trilogy

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This entire “everything shifts to the opposite the audience expects” stuff goes on my nerves SO much, I’m sorry. The audience has certain expectations for a REASON. And shifting EVERYTHING becomes unrealistic and unsatisfying at a point. That doesn’t sound exciting to me… it just sounds like a mess. Sorry. 

Me too, but “is being shifted” doesn’t equate “will end up” in the opposite way. For an example, we assumed that Finn’s internal struggle about whether to stay in the fight was settled when he fought with the Resistance at the end of TFA, but we were already told that this conflict continues in early TLJ. We also know that the movies, or even TLJ, won’t end with Finn settling in the Outer Rim. (Unless he was battling Phasma for a ticket?) So I’m okay with expectations being subverted in the middle as long as the buildup in TFA isn’t negated.

Besiiiides… guess who’s directing the final movie of the trilogyyyyy 🎶

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But I’d love it if the ST ended with Finn being a Senator and one of the most powerful politicians in the entire galaxy. Trusted and wise. And he is married to Rey Skywalker, a Jedi. And they are an iconic couple that combine their individual strengths to bring peace to the galaxy. It would be the perfect full circle end, Anakin Skywalker’s heir gets to be a Jedi but is openly and happily married to a senator, and the senate and the Jedi have an equal, trusted relationship. And the idea that a former Stormtrooper ends up being this brilliant politician who brings a true democracy foward in the galaxy after everything that happened… And somewhere Anakin’s Force ghost says goodbye and joins Padmé in the Netherworld, because his job is done. 

Thiiiiiis. I’ve always said Finn and Rey parallel Padme and Anakin, and that Finnrey will be Anidala redeemed.

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culturevulture73:

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poerosefinn:

HES 30

I see no issue with saying Kylo Ren is playing a role and struggeling with who he is and that he isn’t a creepy monster behind the mask but just a young regular looking man, who for some reason is full of hate and evil – tbh how so many serial killers turn out to be. Which was btw the entire point of him removing his mask in front of Rey. But all of this HAS NOTHING to do with him being a kid!! He is still 30 years old!! 30 year olds can be confused, 30 year olds can be irrational, mentally unstable and scary …. but that has nothing to do with them being children or adolescents!! There are even specific struggles you can face at that age about adulthood and how you handle yourself as an adult, but that’s what it is about… actually BEING an adult and struggeling with that and NOT maturing from child to adult, wtf!!

He’s 30. An adult. Over 18, over 21.

Driver knows better – hell, he’s been in the damn military.

One of the co-conspirators in the whole Trump affair is 29 and certain commentators were trying to play him off like a kid. Twitter was having none of it last night.

Frankly, fandom should have none of it either. 30 is adult. 

Let’s contrast him to his family, shall we?

At 19, his mother was a senator and Rebel spy.

At 19, his uncle blew up the Death Star.

At 19, presumably, his father was in the Imperial Academy learning to fly and then saving Chewbacca (I’m not sure of the timing of old canon Han but let’s guess). At 29, his father was saving his mother and uncle’s life on the Death Star.

At 30, Kylo who is a “vulnerable kid who doesn’t know where to put his energy” is torturing people, cutting down old men in cold blood (Lor San Tekka which frankly none of Kylo’s fans have yet come up with a way to blame for his own death), has been with the fascists we believe at least six years, has murdered his fellow students and destroyed his uncle’s life, broken up his parents’ marriage and then, for the rancid cherry on this sundae of awfulness, decides dear ol’ dad, who is only trying to save his sorry ass, should die because he’s not dark enough yet to “finish what his grandfather started” – btw, whatever in fuck that  is because I have NEVER figured out what in the world he meant by that statement.

He’s not saying racist shit in an online forum while sitting in his parents’ basement, he’s out there killing people and leading troops to kill more.

That’s not a “vulnerable kid who doesn’t know where to put his energy” and the idea that Rian “takes it to the next level” is, well, there aren’t any other words for it – appalling. 

Blah blah redemption arc. Whatever. He’s not going to pay for anything, is he? Vader spent twenty years in pain in that suit, lost his wife and children for falling to the dark. Then when he was redeemed, only to Luke, he paid with his life. 

If Kylo Ren gets to skip off into the sunset after he says “sorry, my bad – I was just a vulnerable kid” – that’s not a message I’m interested in seeing in a movie. I don’t care how many people on this site go on about everyone deserving redemption – NO. Not everyone deserves it. Or we wouldn’t have war crimes tribunals.

If he wants to sit in a jail cell and contemplate the awful shit he’s perpetrated, that’s redemption.

If the sequel trilogy ends with him getting off free and clear, with a trail of dead behind him, then I just don’t understand what we’re supposed to take from these movies. If the stated goal is to blur the line between good and evil, the same way they’re beating into us that the Rebels weren’t the good guys, that Luke is not a hero, that Han never was more than a lowlife, that Leia screwed up and wasn’t a good enough mother because she was busy – I can turn on the damn news and see garbage like that.

Why was the original Star Wars subversive? Because after years of movies where the good guys were often just as bad as the bad guys, after Vietnam and Watergate, Star Wars was a movie about good and evil and choosing between them.

If you say good and evil are the same, it just depends on what side you look at them from, and that a genocidal, patricidal murderer gets off because he’s a white guy of privilege then what in the hell is special about the movies anyway? You’ve turned it into one more grimdark, everyone is bad from a certain point of view, do anything you want and you LIVE FREE no matter what you’ve done so long as you’re the right bloodline (which is not the lesson of Jedi), and we’ll reset it all for the next trilogy so that Rey and Finn’s child can kill one of them and drive the other one off into exile.

Bravo.

Bravo indeed.

diversehighfantasy:

Some things that will likely happen in TLJ that the fandom doesn’t want to talk about:

Rey will miss Finn, especially if Luke doesn’t accept her at first. She’s going to worry if he’s OK and will want to find him again, as she said she would at the end of TFA.

Finn will resist going on the mission because he just wants to find Rey.

Both of them will decide they need to do what they need to do before they can be together again.

Finn and Rey’s Reuinion will be beautiful.

If they are separated again, they will vow to find each other yet again, to always come back for one another.

Their love story won’t be the main focus of TLJ, but it will continue to build.

Finn loves Rey and Rey loves Finn, and that’s not going to disappear because it’s inconvenient.

Rey and Kylo will have a connection, either by blood or the Force itself; Rey will likely see that Kylo still has light in him. Kylo is likely on a road to redemption.

Rey still loves Finn.

If your reaction to the above is “I don’t see it” or “I don’t ship them” then congratulations, you just played yourself because nothing in the op even has to be read romantically (although by cultural convention such devotion often does signify romance). You’re admitting that it’s not about shipping preference, you just don’t want to admit that Rey and Finn love each other, as friends, family, lovers or anything else and that their love is central to the sequel trilogy. And that is a big fucking problem.

I saw an photo of TFA cast were on South Korea and John Boyega is making a pose as if he is using the force. WHAT THAT MEAN JOHN BOYEGA

chuchisriyo-deactivated20181102:

It could have two meanings: Finn is force-sensitive and is using the Force; or John is simulating a previous encounter where he twisted Rian’s nipple to remind him to include the scene of Finn being force-sensitive and using the Force.

But why would John twist Rian’s nipple when I’m so much more deserving

porgsitter:

Excuse me, I still can’t believe someone actually suggested Finn destroyed Luke’s school!! I mean wasn’t it enough that they kept insisting it was Luke himself? No! Of course it was a teenaged Finn who did it! Without any logical motive or any indication in the plot that he was anywhere near – a single Stormtrooper in training somehow destroys an entire Jedi school???! They truly break their arms reaching when they do EVERYTHING to make their space facist look innocent, and when they can destroy Finn’s character for that…. all the better, huh? SUCH SHIT!

Even racists admit, Force-sensitive Finn is canon!

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lj-writes:

lj-writes:

On the one hand: I can’t wait for finery to become canon and to give the loudest whoop of my life, and possibly burst into tears, as they have their epic onscreen kiss.

On the other hand: John got so much racist shit thrown his way just for being IN Star Wars. I don’t want to think about how much more he might have to endure if he kisses a white woman on screen. Daisy would get shit, too–the reactions to her Instagram postings are a good indicator–but the brunt of the rage will be focused on John and possibly JJ. Fortunately John has shown the fortitude to show grace and humor in the face of hatred, but he really shouldn’t have to.

If Supergirl season one is anything to use as a guideline, then yes. It
would be an ugly mess. Right now the worst of it is under wraps because
so many fans are pretending that there’s NO POSSIBLE WAY Finn and Rey
could be more than friends.

Thank you (?) @rose-griffes for confirming my worst fears. I mean, these anti Finnreys are really something else. Don’t like the pairing, fine. Don’t want it to be canon, whatever. But pretending the romantic clues aren’t there, that the pairing is utterly impossible, that’s just racially motivated self-deception and nothing else.

And take a look at all of the shit that gets thrown at Iris West/Candice Patton by a certain fangroup of The Flash.
So yes, it would be ugly and as much as I want it to happen, I would also want LF to grow a fucking backbone and prepare for it and stand by John’s side this time… and if Daisy ends up returning to social media, they should back her up as well. LF should shove Finnrey into everybody’s face and make it incredible, so that the shippers can silence the racist bullies who will undoubtly scream loudly if Finnrey happens *sigh* Also we as a fandom should prepare for it as well, especially we should consider how to protect our fellow shippers from attacks, especially black shippers. Bc we all know some people in the fandom would not take Finnrey well at all and attack the shippers for that…

I’m guessing that if canon Finnrey happens, it’s going to get worse backlash than Westallen or Richonne (Rick/Michonne from The Walking Dead) for a couple of reasons. For one thing Star Wars is a much larger fandom with actually a sizable white supremacist contingent. For another, well, it would be a pairing between a Black male character and a white female character whereas Westallen and Richonne are pairings between white male characters and Black female characters. A Black man being in a relationship with a white woman apparently provokes more racist rage than the reverse, at least in the American context.

Large sections of the SW fandom do a really poor job of concealing their racism even now when they deny to themselves left and right that Finnrey could ever happen and deceive themselves into thinking their fantasy white ship will be canon. They already get salty as hell about Finn being a focus of fandom passions and make up all kinds of excuses to call the Finnrey fandom toxic. I hate to think what these people will be like once they can no longer deny to themselves that Finn is the male lead and not their whitewashed stand-in. I’m not sure what to do if that happens because it’s going to get very ugly.

lj-writes:

On the one hand: I can’t wait for finery to become canon and to give the loudest whoop of my life, and possibly burst into tears, as they have their epic onscreen kiss.

On the other hand: John got so much racist shit thrown his way just for being IN Star Wars. I don’t want to think about how much more he might have to endure if he kisses a white woman on screen. Daisy would get shit, too–the reactions to her Instagram postings are a good indicator–but the brunt of the rage will be focused on John and possibly JJ. Fortunately John has shown the fortitude to show grace and humor in the face of hatred, but he really shouldn’t have to.

If Supergirl season one is anything to use as a guideline, then yes. It
would be an ugly mess. Right now the worst of it is under wraps because
so many fans are pretending that there’s NO POSSIBLE WAY Finn and Rey
could be more than friends.

Thank you (?) @rose-griffes for confirming my worst fears. I mean, these anti Finnreys are really something else. Don’t like the pairing, fine. Don’t want it to be canon, whatever. But pretending the romantic clues aren’t there, that the pairing is utterly impossible, that’s just racially motivated self-deception and nothing else.