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Spoilers for Seven Seconds below the cut in reply to @atoffandhisbobby, discussing the ending of Season 1 and characters.

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More Seven Seconds spoilers (so pumped by Regina King’s win! Yay!!)

@atoffandhisbobby said:

I guess I just wish that the lawyer had
been less of a mess. It was somewhat jarring to see that in a black
female character. While I’m aware that addiction doesn’t discriminate,
it was just a little disappointing that this was a lawyer with that
level of issues. One thing I did like was the father realizing that
whether he agreed with it or not, hiding the fact that his son had been
coming from meeting his boyfriend and was gay was a big problem. I liked
that growth.

Yeah, understandable. I think I was coming from a different place on this, because substance abuse is very serious in the legal profession and we knew from law school onward that a lot of lawyers are a mess. My bar association (D.C.) runs an addiction support group and I’ve heard of lawyers actually doing coke in court, although hopefully D.A.s are not bad. It was good to see an acknowledgement of that problem, though looking back maybe it shouldn’t have been presented as just KJ’s problem.

I also didn’t understand why the judge
mitigated the sentence. My brother watched with me and said that
basically any jail time for a known cop amounted to a death sentence
which is why the cop (it’s been awhile since I watched so I don’t
remember names) looked so scared when he’s locked away. But it was just
very unsettling to have had the lawyer make that amazing closing
argument and still that was all the time that the cop received.

I thought more than anything we were watching KJ’s superhero origin story, basically, where she found a sense of purpose and something to believe in. She’s clearly done at the D.A.’s office and I look forward to seeing where she goes from here. Badass human rights lawyer? Community organizer? Maybe running against her asshole boss? I need, NEED Season 2.

I think that it’s a fair analysis. I
think I was just put off somewhat by the absolute evil of those cops. It
seemed almost cartoonish at times? Sort of a feeling of ‘Yeah I know
they’re cops but there is no WAY they’re getting away with this’ and yet
they did every time.

Again yeah, understandable. OTOH, you probably know better than I do, cops have planted drugs and weapons on people they murdered, they’ve been paid off by drug dealers and pimps, they’ve committed rape, they’ve just straight up framed innocent Black people. And that’s just the shit we know about because they were caught. Nothing about cops surprises me anymore. If anything the Godfather-like melodrama of loyalty and betrayal between DiAngelo and Jablonski helped humanize them–I don’t call them a “cop gang” for nothing.

Spoilers for Seven Seconds below the cut in reply to @atoffandhisbobby, discussing the ending of Season 1 and characters.

Yes, I groaned out loud. It was not unexpected but it was still a letdown that stayed uncomfortably with me, as it was meant to. It also contradicted prior information as far as I could tell, because I thought the charge carried 5-10 years on conviction? The show’s treatment of the law was confusing toward the end, I’ll have to rewatch to see if I missed something. I mean I was also caring for a rowdy toddler while the show was on, I certainly could have missed a few things.

I thought KJ and Nadine were meant to be clear parallels, both troubled young women with substance abuse issues who Fish was effectively fathering. I can understand if people don’t like that KJ, who is a grownup professional and fully acts it in pivotal scenes (her standoffs with Hennessy are like… wow), is portrayed like a little girl at heart who needs a caring father. I nevertheless thought it was a moving depiction of how emotional neglect/abuse can stunt internal growth and trauma can cause people to regress.

You can also see KJ start to rely less on Fish toward the end, telling him he has done his job and he has to let her do hers, gaining more and more maturity with a new sense of purpose and conviction. Fish having to hold up KJ, sometimes literally, was a refreshing dynamic too because he is clearly her helper and support and not the other way around. I think the next time they meet it’ll be more as equals, which is one of the many reasons I want Season 2 and hopefully more. My biggest reason is wanting the cop gang to go down burning, of course.

I still don’t get what this Seven Seconds negative anon (link) was talking about. Maybe it’s because I’m not Black and don’t have the same perspective, but I thought the show was very good overall and I loved KJ’s character to the end. The whole show has ungodly amounts of pain and heartbreak, that is true, given its subject matter. It is not an easy watch. I cried a lot through it, especially during Latrice’s and Isaiah’s scenes, and hugged and kissed my child throughout. It may well be unwatchable and retraumatizing for many members of the U.S. Black audience, which is why I hope nonblack and international audiences will support it all the more.

That said, unless I’m given more insight I’m going to stand by my stance that “torture porn” is a deeply unfair characterization. The ending of Season 1 was actually more hopeful and healing than I’d been dreading, though the journey of grief is never a straightforward one and I hope there will be a Season 2 and beyond for more complexities to emerge even as the characters progress. There is unbelievable pain, yes, but the show doesn’t wallow in it and portrays the characters worst affected as dignified and resilient while also showing them to be messy and human.

As for KJ, follow me below the cut so I can fistfight anon with spoilers.

Why wouldn’t I like KJ after watching the whole thing? She is and remains an amazing character! Yes, she is not the best lawyer as she herself admitted, and she probably did a lot of damage to an already difficult case by humiliating herself in court, getting her bad moments on film, and being removed from court just before closing. She’s a highly flawed character, that’s been established from her very first appearance.

And you know what? I loved that about her. She didn’t give up. No matter how many times she got knocked down, no matter how many mistakes she made, she just got up and kept punching and punching until she eked out a kind of underwhelming victory, legally speaking, but still a victory. She wrecked her career to do the right thing, as did Fish. If she hadn’t gotten Teresa to blurt out the location of the grill Jablonski would have walked scott free.

Arguably her biggest victories were out of court, though. She talked Latrice into cooperating instead of trying kill Jablonski, a quest that would have destroyed Latrice and her family. Though the sentence was underwhelming (and, though I may have missed something, contradictory–I thought the automobile manslaughter conviction came with a mandatory 5-10 sentence?), having the truth come out in court was still healing for Latrice. Both Teresa and Marie ditched their demon cop men. The cop gang showed their hand and killed a young white girl. These developments will have important implications for Season 2 and beyond (please let there be a Season 2).

Was I supposed to dislike KJ because of the children who starved to death after KJ arrested their brother? Again, I might not be impacted the same way as Black audiences, and I understand if people hate her. Nobody hated her for it more than KJ herself. Fish, who had always been sympathetic to her or at least amused by her antics, was horrified and called her out on feeling sorry for herself. He couldn’t even bear to be in the same car with her, and I might have reacted the same. It also put KJ’s behavior in so much more persective, though I can see if some people see it as excessive.

That said, I find it believable that it happened without any malice on her part given how deeply fucked up the legal system and the associated social services are. It wasn’t the assistant attorney’s job to check up on any dependants a defendant might have. The arrested youg man probably told someone or tried to tell someone and it got dropped, or no one heard him out in the first place. Handling situations like this requires clear lines of information and cooperation across different parts of bureacracy, and that clearly broke down in this case.

KJ was, in other words, taking on the guilt of a broken and racist system because no one else would. Could she have checked? Yes, and maybe the children would have lived. But the thing was, it’s like trying to stop a broken dam with your own body. One person’s diligence can’t make up for a system that is meant to work with thousands of people working together.

This scene, furthermore, was meant to be in clear contrast with Jablonski and DiAngelo’s earlier scene where DiAngelo told Jablonski he was a good man and that trying to keep that self-image of himself was breaking him. (The closing statement, of course, shows that Jablonski was anything but.) Here we have two men who won’t even accept the consequences of their own action, and on the other hand we have KJ who hates herself for not having gone above and beyond. The episode is asking, who’s the actual good person? What does being a good person or a bad person even mean?

So no, I don’t hate KJ, though I don’t blame others if they do. I love her, flaws and all, and I want to give her a hug. She owned up to her mistakes, she came back and back and back in the face of humilitaion and knockdown and tragedy, and she won a profound and difficult victory that may seem piteous at too high a cost but is a part of something bigger.

Spoilers for Seven Seconds, Episode 8.

What are they doing hiring one lawyer for four co-defendants?! Is this how they go with cop cases? There are such serious conflict of interest issues with one attorney representing two or more co-defendants who may at any point want to testify against each other or strike a separate deal with the D.A.

I understand that cops in the U.S. are practically unprosecutable and that’s why they have the confidence to do this, especially when the case concerns the death of a Black boy they’re demonizing as a gangster. But does the New Jersey Bar Association have any Thoughts about clients being pressured to waive their objections to the conflict, potentially sacrificing more advantageous plea deals?

I guess not. Because again, they’re cops, and as long as they don’t turn on each other they’re bulletproof. I bet they’re plenty happy customers too. Now I think Latrice had the right idea and Jablonski at least should have been made to pay with a bullet between the eyes. It looks like the only way anyone can get justice against police in the U.S.

Non-spoiler review of Seven Seconds

I finished the first season of Seven Seconds and I loved it! There were a lot of twists and turns that gripped me, and the characters, particularly K.J. Harper the young assistant attorney character and Latrice Butler, mother of the slain teenager Brenton Butler, had amazing arcs. Joe “Fish” Rinaldi, the cop with a conscience, was solidly lovable as K.J.’s helper and replacement dad, while Isaiah, Brenton’s father, had a profound character arc of his own that moved me deeply. The villain characters Jablonski and DiAngelo had complex emotions and relationships, too, while still being vile human beings. They also blatantly left unfinished business for another season, and I really hope there will be one because this is good stuff.

If you’re looking for a well-produced and well-written, suspenseful social/legal drama with excellent acting and unforgettable characters, particularly with Black women’s personal journeys squarely centered, try this one out. It is not an easy show to watch and I imagine it’s even more so for Black viewers, but it swept me along with the narrative and characters and I personally enjoyed it.

lj-writes:

Can I geek out about K.J. Harper for a second? I have to admit, in her first appearance I wondered “What the hell kind of show is this?” when she was shown to be a lush and daytime drinker whose job performance was suffering for her habit. I wasn’t used to women characters being presented this way, especially Black women professionals.

Then the more I got into the show the more I understood her, though I’m only on Episode 3 so I’m sure there’s more to come. It’s a timely and necessary portrayal, too, with mental health and substance abuse being a problem in the legal profession. PTSD among professionals who deal with the suffering of others, from EMTs to reporters, is an underappreciated epidemic as well.

And the layers on this woman, just wow. You get a glimpse of her brilliance and passion behind the burnout and the cynicism, the up-and-coming prosecutor she must have been before the work got to her, and then you can see the trauma slam down behind her eyes and it’s in the way she talks, in the way she can’t make eye contact all of a sudden… Clare-Hope Ashitey’s performance is a standout here and I am riveted.

K.J.!!!! You brilliant, brave, batshit bitch, I LOVE YOU

Can I geek out about K.J. Harper for a second? I have to admit, in her first appearance I wondered “What the hell kind of show is this?” when she was shown to be a lush and daytime drinker whose job performance was suffering for her habit. I wasn’t used to women characters being presented this way, especially Black women professionals.

Then the more I got into the show the more I understood her, though I’m only on Episode 3 so I’m sure there’s more to come. It’s a timely and necessary portrayal, too, with mental health and substance abuse being a problem in the legal profession. PTSD among professionals who deal with the suffering of others, from EMTs to reporters, is an underappreciated epidemic as well.

And the layers on this woman, just wow. You get a glimpse of her brilliance and passion behind the burnout and the cynicism, the up-and-coming prosecutor she must have been before the work got to her, and then you can see the trauma slam down behind her eyes and it’s in the way she talks, in the way she can’t make eye contact all of a sudden… Clare-Hope Ashitey’s performance is a standout here and I am riveted.