Anyway here’s the shitpress, a.k.a. @thesovereignempress, purposefully interacting with me after she blocked me (and while my own block was undone because she deleted and remade) and encouraging her fellow shippers to harass me over a properly tagged anti post. Come at me with your “but you’re 39 million years old lol” anons, bros, I’ll roast you for fun like always.
1. Tfw a reylow shipper uses a legal term–one redefined by the Bush administration to authorize torture–to justify wiping out an entire village. No, people don’t just “die” in SW, they are killed for justifiable or unjustifiable reasons and the village massacre was clearly unjustifiable. The massacre of Tuanul was also a direct callback to the Holocaust in a movie written and directed by Jewish creators, and yes, the Jewish and Romani villagers in these villages fought back which, according to you, would makes them enemy combatants and thus the Nazis justified in killing them for the crime of defending themselves and their children 🙂 fuck you 🙂
A further fuck you from an international law scholar because the term “enemy combatant” has NEVER EVER meant you can kill people after disarming them and rounding them up, which is what Ren did. The term is one used under the Geneva Conventions to define who could be imprisoned as a prisoner of war, who had rights including the right not to be KILLED OR TORTURED. Not even the Bush admin went so far as to argue they could kill “enemy combatant” prisoners out of hand, holy shit. You fucking heartless, dangerously disingenuous ignoramus.
2. Quite aside from the all sorts of fucked up erasure and dismissal in that comment, it’s amazing that the very crimes that made the Nazis so infamous, like mass murder, torture, and genocide, are fine when non-Nazis do it! Whew! Who knew one set of rules applied to Nazis and different rules to everyone else? Glad we cleared that up.
@starawr thought I should let you know about this, since OP here doesn’t have the guts to tag you apparently, even though she has your blog name on full display so she and her followers can mock you behind your back.
Thanks for letting me know @hothmess. Wow, where to start…
For context, here’s the (MONTHS-OLD) conversation between me, @bai-xue and @decoffinated which @lj-writes dug up to stir some drama:
And because of this conversation, OP accused me of Holocaust apologism, nazi apologism, war crime apologism, torture apologism, etc:
So, let me see if I can follow OP’s logic:
10+ years ago, Bush redefined “enemy combatant” for his own purposes, and that changed the plain meaning of the words “enemy combatant” all over the world, I suppose. According to OP the International Law Scholar (lmao), the phrase “enemy combatant” must now mean whatever the fuck Bush wanted it to mean. Instead of, idk, the plain and obvious meaning of the words.
OP says that Kylo Ren, a fictional space wizard and his fictional stormtroopers, have breached the Geneva Convention by killing villagers. Obviously, according to OP the International Law Scholar, this means that if you support Kylo, you’d also support every possible real-world breach of the Geneva Convention, such as Nazis killing Jewish and Romani villagers.
Everyone who supports Kylo also supports Nazi war crimes now! Also, the Bush administration, I suppose. (Now that’s a new one.)
(Oh, and you know what’s really funny about all this? OP and I had a pretty civil conversation about Black Panther’s reception in China a few months back. So OP knows that I’m Chinese, and that I’d have no reason to know or care whatever the fuck Bush got up to a decade ago:)
But hey, I guess I’m worse than Bush because I don’t care that my favourite space wizard killed a bunch of fictional space villagers in a star war ¯_(ツ)_/ ¯
Imagine having this little reading comprehension/strawmanning this hard to “win” in one’s own mind. Obviously the term “enemy combatant” does not mean what Bush said it means, that was my point. The point, since it flew over @starawr ’s head or they chose to ignore it, is that the moment someone starts to use it to mean “it’s ok to do whatever the fuck you want to people” they’re going into some terrifying Bush-style territory–a worse twisting of the term, as I said, because they took the meaning way further.
Nor do I think this person necessarily cares about Bush, I just think they’re a big enough idiot to parrot American war crimes apologist rhetoric that’s rampant in their particular echo chamber. At what point in their study of the Geneva Conventions or world news did they pick up that very specific term, I wonder, and if so how did they get it so terrifyingly wrong? Nah, either they picked it up from fandom without the faintest idea of what it actually means, or they just independently decided to distort the hell out of a real world term to justify a fictional character’s actions.
Look how adorable they are, retreating from their point because they can’t defend it! If they really thought being fictional made real world morals irrelevant, they could have said that instead of, idk, bringing in very fraught real life terms and attempting to justify crimes that draw directly from very real and traumatic history. If they’re going to stand by a repugnant point at least they could have the courage of their convictions lol. Typical disingenuous, passive aggressive reylow bullshit.
And I won’t even try to explain tagging etiquette to them smh, or the fact that some of my followers might not want to be exposed to the kind of rhetoric they were spouting. Understanding this requires they have any kind of consideration for systematically marginalized people’s trauma, and that’s too much to expect of them.
Oh lookit, @starawr blocked me, taking their reply and mine out of the thread. Probably hopes to make it look like I blocked them lol. Anyway, if you’re interested in the actual “conversation” that took place here it is above this addition.
Anti: Using the term “enemy combatant” to justify war crimes against prisoners is like seriously wrong and terrifying, that’s what Bush did ffs
Reylows: What do you mean “enemy combatant” means whatever Bush said it means?? Hunny stop lying about being an international law scholar lmaoooo
Reylows: We have great reading comprehension we’re English majors 🙂
@birdcagesanddemons My entire life… is a lie… I mean reylows said it, so it must be true!
How the fuck did @thesovereignempress get unblocked by me and why is she interacting with me after she’s blocked me? If you want to find a group of harassers who are also strawmanning cowards look no further than reylows.
I awoke to a flood of anon hate in my Tumblr/AO3 inbox from angry r*ylos for my latest TLJ rewrite chapter. This time, going as far as calling me “childish” for black/white morality (gray wasn’t really in TLJ either, I will point out) and “stupid” (with some extra profanities) for shipping finnrey (once again, tie-in materials and director interviews have also debunked r*ylo; I would have quit the fandom if it was canon).
Once again, I will point out if these are your views on my stuff, please move on and read something to your tastes and there’s plenty of that out there. I am not writing for people like you.
Also y’all will note that r*ylo shippers are also the ones constantly pushing the whole don’t like/don’t read mentality so literally according to their own logic they should shut up and move on
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That, and the fact that some of them were telling me that I was wasting my time with finnrey and should write for their crappy part of the fandom instead tells me that many of them feel very threatened by the finnrey ship and myself as a writer.
Ugh I’m sorry you were harassed just for writing your story. So much for ship and let ship, eh? The amount of pissy whining some of them will do when they feel threatened, jeez.
Why can’t I move a file into a folder on Google Drive? The functionality is convenient but the interface is so bad, I can’t use it for anything other than file sharing.
So many Pro-Spanking advocates talk about how they “Deserved” to be hit by their parents because they were “a bad kid.” And it makes me so sad.
You weren’t.
You weren’t a bad kid, and you didn’t deserve to be hit. Maybe you were a difficult kid, maybe you struggled with boundaries or rules or expectations. Maybe you had bad behavior much of the time. But you, yourself, were not and are not a BAD person for that, and you didn’t EARN violence. You didn’t have it coming. It shouldn’t have happened to you.
This is exactly the type of thinking that leads people to believe they don’t deserve Hell because they think they’re basically good-hearted. There is a stark difference between discipline and abuse!
@oncerbat I’ll bite. In your words, what is the difference between discipline and abuse? At what point does spanking go over the line?
It’s not necessarily the acting of spanking itself, but the reason for spanking. I was spanked as a kid, and I have not suffered any form of psychological trauma into adulthood. Consequently, those who aren’t spanked are usually the ones who feel entitled to everything and get offended by practically everything as well.
Now, if someone spanked kids for just about every minor infraction, then it might carry over into abuse, or if you spank your kid out of anger, but a slap on the bum is supposed to teach kids obedience where they are reminded of temporary physical pain for not obeying their parents, Parents should be feared by their kids. Feared does not mean I’m afraid Mommy or Daddy is going to punch me for no reason. I mean feared as respected. There’s a huge difference between someone who spanks their kid for lying to them vs someone who hits their kid in a drunken rage because they spilled something or spelled a word incorrectly.
What does the non-spanking parent do when their child throws a temper-tantrum in the grocery store? I’m not a parent, but based on my past experience with my parents, I would say it’s perfectly justifiable and not abusive to spank the kid. Why? Because it teaches them respect in a way that’s quick and well-remembered. If you just tell the kid to stop, they’re probably not going to listen.
Spanking is supposed to teach kids respect,self-control, and accountability among others. And it should be mainly used for young kids.
With that said, I will say that my mother spanked me exactly the way you described as ideal: not out of anger, not for every little infraction, always after other punishments had been tried, and she made it clear what I was being spanked for. Heck, she was even sad a lot of times when she “had” to do it!
So here’s a story:
I’m in elementary school, and just learning more complicated math along the lines of division. I’m bad at math now, and I was bad at math then, so I wasn’t getting my homework. It made no sense to me. More than half my worksheet is blank. The logical thing to do would have been to go to my mother, right? Ask for help.
Instead, I hid my homework, hoping desperately that I could convince the teacher I lost it, because I was convinced that if I told my mother that I couldn’t do my math homework, she would spank me. And spanking, being hurt like that, was something I hated and feared more than anything else. The only reason I ended up showing it to her and my aunt who was visiting (at TEN AT NIGHT, when i should have been asleep) was because I realized in my anxiety that my teacher would tell my mother anyway, and I’d still get punished. My mother didn’t spank me for it, but that didn’t get rid of the thought in my child mind.
So that’s what spanking taught me.
It taught me to associate making mistakes or disappointing my parents with pain. It taught me to avoid going to my parents when I was confused, or had done something I thought was wrong. It taught me not to manage my anger in any true way but instead bottle it up, whereupon it would eventually explode, thus getting me in trouble anyway.
And, again, because I cannot repeat myself enough: my mother spanked me in all the ways pro-spanking people say is the right way. She did it right, according to your logic, and I still am messed up by it, a fact I’ve only in recent years come to terms with. And I’m a full grown adult!
A good friend of mine was also spanked, and said none of her issues, as far as she can tell, stem from that. However, she has talked about how damaging spanking can be at length, and I want to share a quote about it with you:
I can talk more about the ways I’ve learned that spanking did me no favors, but hopefully you get the point here. “Discipline” does not mean “violence”.
Aaaaand of course there’s the millions of normal people who are just fine from spanking AND aren’t little psychologically damaged from being properly disciplined lmao like what kid thinks “Oh, I’m bad at math! Best make things worse by not turning in my homework and failing!” Like? Did your mom not teach you to ask for help or ask for someone to help you learn something? Lmao XD
Emphasis on “properly” because you should know what actions lead to a spanking, and what to do to avoid those things.
Our generation is pathetically soft and sheltered and fragile, and that’s the fault of bad parenting. This generation is going to raise even softer, weaker kids (Well, those of us that choose to have kids) and they’re going to crumble and cry and falter at every little thing just like this generation does.
“ I need to hit children so they aren’t so soft and weak” is a pretty bad parenting outlook, to be honest.
Also if a kid is scared to admit to failure and to ask for help, hitting them for failing is going to help them feel less scared, right? …right?
But seriously, why am I surprised that someone who lives up the ass of a fictional war criminal is quick to dismiss documented real life atrocities as “Western propaganda?”
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