Exactly. I’ve heard Kylo Ren described as weak, but the truth is the opposite. He is incredibly strong and has to put incredible effort into his atrocities overcoming the moral values instilled in him by good and loving parents. He believes so absolutely in his righteousness, his entitlement, that he’s willing to tear himself apart to do what he believes in. That’s absolutely terrifying and not something we’ve really seen in a SW villain.
The woobification in TLJ aside I can’t think of a more chilling villain in Star Wars ever than Kylo Ren, because he’s a straight up fanatic.
Can you think of a more terrifying line than, “I know what I have to do, but I don’t know if I have the strength to do it”? Think about what he’s saying, that he knows he has to kill his father and he specifically have to kill him because he loves him. His pain is that he doesn’t know if he has the strength to disregard his love of Han to go through with killing him.
That is the test that Snoke means when he says, “Even you, master of the Knights of Ren, have ever faced such a test”. The test is if Kylo is convinced enough, dedicated enough, fanatical enough, to kill a person he loves for his own convictions. If he’s willing to destroy not just a person he loves, but himself, for his convictions. And not in a fit of rage as Vader tried to, but with cold premeditation.
And Kylo passes in rather flying colors I’d say. A character progression that continues in TLJ where we see once again that there’s really nothing Kylo isn’t willing to do, no one he isn’t willing to sacrifice, nothing and no one whom he’s not willing to see destroyed or order destroyed, for his convictions. No matter what.
Trashfire though TLJ is it still underlined this. He killed Han, he was willing to see Leia killed and ordered her killed at the end of the movie. And whatever positive emotions he may or may not have harbored for Rey did at the end of the day not matter at all, the moment it became clear that she did not believe at he did he tried his damnedest to destroy her too. Because his ability to feel empathy, compassion even love, does not matter to him, it’s a weakness. A weakness he has overcome.
So if IX decides to treat Kylo as the villain he was set up to be and it looks like it will, then we should be looking at possibly the scariest Star Wars villain to date and someone who is also terrifyingly appropriate for our time.
If you don’t think Rey and Finn would not be trying every type of candy in the known universe on Halloween, you should rethink your perception of the peanuts. :’)
Oh but poor babby Ben felt TERRIBLE about having to kill them, in fact how dare the villagers make him feel so bad these kids deserved to die for that and also children are terrorist enemy combatants too and should have been killed poor Ben did nothing wrong uwu
Also what are these kids whining about anyway? At least they didn’t have a powerful Dark Side user stalking them from their father’s left nut and their dead parents actually cared about them something something kitchen droid Bendemption 2k19!!!✌️👍💖
Holy shit, they’re not backing away from Kylo slaughtering villages?
My dude, if you recall, his first introduction was slaughtering a village. If they’ve spent the past 3 years relentlessly woobifying him after that, what makes you think more destroyed villages would make them back away? I haven’t seen their reaction because I can only take reylows in brief doses, but they’ve no doubt found some way to rationalize this already.
oooooh that is so interesting. Yeah I looked it up and it stated that Force Voids usually show up in people who have “natural leanings toward the dark side of the Force, who gravitated or were naturally drawn to it.” And you’re absolutely right that if Finn ends up being a Force Void then it really would underline the whole them of Choice and highlight their standings as foils to one another.
If Finn is a Force Void it’d certainly lend credence as to why he wasn’t sought out (at least in canon as we know it) to be in the Knights since he’d just fade into the background when he doesn’t want to be noticed. It’d make me wonder what Kylo sensed though when he stopped and stared at Finn in the beginning of tfa
One thing I absolutely need to be in IX, an explanation for what the hell Kylo sensed when he stopped and stared at Finn. It is such a pivotal moment yet it has never once been addressed.
Because from the pov of the general audience, that is where Kylo’s obsession with Finn seems to begin. He sensed something, something happened in those seconds, and we damn well need to know what that something was.
And yes Finn being a Force void would explain how a strongly Force senstive person could exist in the First Order and neither Snoke nor Kylo ever sense him. They’d have to be really close to him and possibly there would also have to be something in Finn that broke down the barrier, like you know, witnessing a massacre. So Tuanul would be the first time either of them senses Finn.
Finn’s being a Force void would also be a neat outgrowth of his character background, where he constantly feared being noticed and hurt. It would make sense for his Force ability to develop along these lines, as a shield and protection in a hostile environment. Others have pointed out that no one seeing or helping Finn in TLJ when he was walking around in a leaking bacta suit was weird, as was his being able to pull Rose back to the bunker on Crait in one piece. It’s “these are not the droids you are looking for” all over again, except not on just one person he’s directly interacting with but every single onlooker that he might not even be aware of. Imagine how useful that would have been in the dangerous environment he grew up in, where he could blend in and not be seen when, say, Kylo Ren was in a foul mood breaking things up nearby. His being able to avoid Force detection and harm would be on the same continuum of protection.
this is my absolute favourite theory for a quantity of reasons, but especially because it would be the most wonderful Cinderella story, and Finn being a prince would be a huge thing, and it’d just be so cool
2. Mandalorian Finn
now I must admit I’m a bit of a dunce when it comes to Mandalorian culture but the meta posts I’ve seen from for example @themandalorianwolf are really great (and I mean this doesn’t technically exclude Prince Finn either, just alters it a bit)
these two are the ones I’ve actually given a lot of thought, and the rest are ones I like but haven’t got involved in any further
3. Finn was born on Naboo and his family has some kind of connections to the Naberrie family
4. Finn Calrissian
5. Finn Kenobi
(Finn Skywalker is also a good theory and I like it in AU’s a lot but in canon it always takes me to the “but why would the lightsaber call to Rey and not Finn then???” and it just wouldn’t be fair for either of them)
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