Rose taking comfort under fire in the fact that if she and Paige die, they die together
(Consider everything in the notes a potential spoiler)
Oh wow, this book has actual, proper grieving scenes for the characters’ losses in battle! Who’d have thought such a thing was possible? Everyone knows this is so hard, even billion-dollar grossing movies have characters grinning like idiots with no one ever shedding a tear after losing of most of their friends and comrades.
It really is! I remember this article where RJ said he was surprised at how much freedom he was given to shape events. For that matter, tie-in authors have talked about the amazing amount of freedom they had, too. In retrospect that was not a good thing, because while creators were given the freedom to make Star Wars thought-provoking, fun, diverse, and queer off the big screen, it also meant a bad writer like RJ could make a terrible and incoherent mess of the biggest and best-known vehicle of canon–a saga movie–and no one stopped him with even basic adherence to canon materials. LFL clearly did not have a plan, and if it did it failed to stick to it.
If Leia dies in Star Wars Episode IX, than the movie is trash. I don’t care. She dies, it’s trash and anyone who thinks it’s a good idea is just as wrong as the concept of killing her off. Carrie deserves better than some off screen shit show death to motivate the plot or tantrum pain.
Keep her General Organa or make her Chancellor Organa, but killing Carrie Fisher’s Leia off in some old footage is disrespectful and I highly doubt Todd Fisher or Billie Lourd would have ever signed off on that, and I bet Mark Hamill would have never agreed to do any movie where he had to watch one of his Life long friends die in some shitty CGI snuff scene.
Fuck Leia death theories, they are the most invalid.
Besides, her possible death was already played with and discarded in TLJ, poorly as it was done. It would be shitty on multiple levels to do it all over again except for realsies this time because that’s gritty or some shit. Leia fought and survived more than anyone should ever have. Let her grow old in peace, a beloved and revered leader, doted on by her actual children and bearers of her legacy–Finn, Rey, and Poe.
Yeah, I think LF massively dropped the ball on keeping canon consistent, and for that matter reining in RJ’s worst impulses.
I think that while both Cobalt Squadron and the gameplay for Battlefront II Single Player was written with the writers having zero knowledge about the plot in TLJ because Rian was that intent on keeping everything a freaking secret. So the writers did what writers are wont to do and treated the heroes as you know, the actual heroes, inadvertently causing a heap of continuity problems because people who didn’t know each other now do (Holdo and Rose) or have knowledge that makes them right when the plot in TLJ tries to discredit their actions (Poe).
This si where the story group should have come in and done their damn job at keeping continuity consistent. So yeah CS was written after TLJ but the author clearly had no idea about the plot or how the characters would be treated and the story group did jack shit to correct matters. And that’s entirely on LF and the story group.
And fans trying to make sense of this mess is nothing new, we been doing this damn shit since 1980 where the first plot inconsistencies happened. And really the only thing that makes sense with Rose not even considering going to Holdo is that she for some reason dislikes the woman, with the plot in CS in mind and how Holdo have “forgotten” everything about her, it is not hard to envision why.
The result of all this is that TLJ has become the odd one out in canon, treating the heroes as bumbling and incompetent when they were, like, actually heroic in the EU. And the only way to reconcile the differences is to add in a whole lot of subtext and read the text in ways the creators never seem to have intended, such as Holdo being the worst boss ever or Poe being right all along. It’s why, for those who had problems with it, TLJ is vastly improved simply by reading in different subtexts and making minor changes so the subtext is validated by text (link). I noticed that some of the fans who enjoy TLJ do something similar, by adding details in their own heads to make the incongruities fit (link, link). These aren’t interpretations that are supported by and expand the canon, such as reading coping mechanisms into Finn’s actions in the movies (link). Rather these are readings that have to contradict heavy-handedly stated authorial intent in order to fix what is broken.
This is exactly the kind of thing LF and Story Group should have worked with RJ to fix before the movie came out, but instead they were content to release a flawed and incoherent product. Or maybe they were forced to by an overloaded schedule that culminated in the financial failure of Solo, but the end result is the same: The product is poor and made no sense in the larger universe that LF itself validated as being canonical. They failed at their jobs.
William Shatner retweeted the Russian bot article and said that this means Mark Hamill is a Russian bot and I don’t even know what timeline this is anymore 😂😂
So who’s got an hour to spend on a plane and Cobalt Squadron downloaded to her phone? This bitch!
What’s that?
A pre-TLJ book starring Rose and Paige! I got the audiobook narrated by Loan Tran and it’s pretty fun!
We were bloody robbed. I hate that Finn was originally in that Cobalt squad and Johnson cut it.
Such a shame about Paige. I really thought she had a lot of potential.
I can’t wait to see how different Rose is with JJ in IX.
Rose is soooo much better in the book than in TLJ. She’s a nerdy, neurotic Deadpan Snarker that I found way too relatable tbh. Her technical brilliance is on full display in a very grungy, down to earth way that also leaves her neurotic from her sensr of responsibility for saving Resistance lives. I don’t think it’s even mentioned in TLJ that she built the technology that Holdo used to try and evade the First Order’s detection of the transports. Which makes it just stupid that Rose wasn’t required for their deployment, since it’s a fairly new tech she herself made (DID I MENTION SHE’S BRILLIANT) and in the book she was in charge of a whole team of flight engineers to get it working right.
Maybe the technology was on its feet by TLJ so it didn’t require her to be so hands on, but it still makes 0 sense that Holdo didn’t keep her close to supervise the deployment of the plan that was supposed to save the fucking Resistance. In fact, from her actions in TLJ Rose didn’t even know of the existence of the plan, which given her technical role makes it look like Holdo deliberately cut her out–which shows yet again that Holdo is a terrible leader who would rather hold her precious secrets close than give the Resistance the best possible chance.
But yeah, Rose and Paige are great and their relationship is the heart of the book. I wish we’d gotten to see them play off this other in the movie, yet another wasted opportunity.
Hold on. Rose developed the technology that kept the FO from finding the transports..? And Holdo acted like she had no idea who she was??
Yup. At least that’s how I recall it, though I don’t have a source on hand right now and can check later to confirm. Regardless, though, Holdo specifically requested Rose stay on board the Ninka to adapt the technology to other ships (link), making her look dense for not remembering Rose or making use of her expertise in TLJ. Hey, why show Rose being brilliant and capable when she can randomly assault a hero just recovering from his wounds and then fly across the galaxy to find a dude who can handle a job her lady brain can’t? The Resistance is in all-out crisis and they couldn’t find a better job for a mechanic of this caliber than tasing deserters? Fuck them, if they’re this incompetent they deserved to be wiped out.
It’s right before Poe relieves Holdo of command. Finn has just asked Poe to buy him, Rose and DJ a little more time to shut the tracker down. And clearly Poe has just explained his plan to Holdo.
Here’s the exchange:
Amilyn Holdo: So a stormtrooper, and a who now are doing what? Poe: They are trying to save us. This is our best chance for escape. You have to give Finn and Rose all the time that you can
Holdo is acting like she doesn’t even know who the hell Rose is. I already hated her for her comment about Finn here, but that she’s using Rose’s skill and work, and then pretending she doesn’t even know who the hell she is…
I didn’t think I could hate Holdo more than I already did, I was clearly wrong.
It’s kinda funny that throughout all of this Poe treats everyone as actual people he cares about, even if he knows that they might die under his command, while Holdo whom we’re supposed to agree with in the end, treats everyone under her as chess pieces whom she can move about as she pleases and never give a fuck about. Holdo is one of the worst commanders and also one of the worst person’s on the “good guy’s side” I’ve ever met.
What I don’t get is, regardless of how much personal interaction Holdo had with Rose–how does everyone not have stars in their eyes when they talk about Rose Tico? “That’s Rose Fucking Tico, the inventor of the lifesaving Baffler technology.” Even if we say she’s an unassuming mechanic type who stays behind the scenes (but come on, there’s a scene in the book where she’s sweaty and stripped to her tank top after working in a tiny crawlspace inside the Baffler, and in what universe are geeky fans not sighing as they watch from afar and write fanfiction in their heads about working in the crawlspace with her), shouldn’t Holdo, idk, care about Resistance lives and have a mega hard-on for the people who make these kinds of contributions? Shouldn’t this stuff be running through her head all the time, how to make stealth missions safer and save more lives? The fact that she didn’t think to tap Rose for her plan, leaving this top tier machanic adrift to do morally repugnant grudge work like tasing deserters, then drew a blank at her name, makes her out to be a shitty uncaring boss who doesn’t give a rat’s ass for any of the people under her command.
You know, I wondered why Rose was so willing to flip the bird to Holdo and go under her nose on a half-baked wildcard mission. After seeing Holdo in action and learning of their history, it’s kind of an unavoidable conclusion that Holdo totally burned bridges with Rose after using her for her technical expertise, and Rose agrees with Poe that Holdo is an untrustworthy and dangerously self-aggrandizing flake.
So who’s got an hour to spend on a plane and Cobalt Squadron downloaded to her phone? This bitch!
What’s that?
A pre-TLJ book starring Rose and Paige! I got the audiobook narrated by Loan Tran and it’s pretty fun!
We were bloody robbed. I hate that Finn was originally in that Cobalt squad and Johnson cut it.
Such a shame about Paige. I really thought she had a lot of potential.
I can’t wait to see how different Rose is with JJ in IX.
Rose is soooo much better in the book than in TLJ. She’s a nerdy, neurotic Deadpan Snarker that I found way too relatable tbh. Her technical brilliance is on full display in a very grungy, down to earth way that also leaves her neurotic from her sensr of responsibility for saving Resistance lives. I don’t think it’s even mentioned in TLJ that she built the technology that Holdo used to try and evade the First Order’s detection of the transports. Which makes it just stupid that Rose wasn’t required for their deployment, since it’s a fairly new tech she herself made (DID I MENTION SHE’S BRILLIANT) and in the book she was in charge of a whole team of flight engineers to get it working right.
Maybe the technology was on its feet by TLJ so it didn’t require her to be so hands on, but it still makes 0 sense that Holdo didn’t keep her close to supervise the deployment of the plan that was supposed to save the fucking Resistance. In fact, from her actions in TLJ Rose didn’t even know of the existence of the plan, which given her technical role makes it look like Holdo deliberately cut her out–which shows yet again that Holdo is a terrible leader who would rather hold her precious secrets close than give the Resistance the best possible chance.
But yeah, Rose and Paige are great and their relationship is the heart of the book. I wish we’d gotten to see them play off this other in the movie, yet another wasted opportunity.
Hold on. Rose developed the technology that kept the FO from finding the transports..? And Holdo acted like she had no idea who she was??
Yup. At least that’s how I recall it, though I don’t have a source on hand right now and can check later to confirm. Regardless, though, Holdo specifically requested Rose stay on board the Ninka to adapt the technology to other ships (link), making her look dense for not remembering Rose or making use of her expertise in TLJ. Hey, why show Rose being brilliant and capable when she can randomly assault a hero just recovering from his wounds and then fly across the galaxy to find a dude who can handle a job her lady brain can’t? The Resistance is in all-out crisis and they couldn’t find a better job for a mechanic of this caliber than tasing deserters? Fuck them, if they’re this incompetent they deserved to be wiped out.
So who’s got an hour to spend on a plane and Cobalt Squadron downloaded to her phone? This bitch!
What’s that?
A pre-TLJ book starring Rose and Paige! I got the audiobook narrated by Loan Tran and it’s pretty fun!
We were bloody robbed. I hate that Finn was originally in that Cobalt squad and Johnson cut it.
Such a shame about Paige. I really thought she had a lot of potential.
I can’t wait to see how different Rose is with JJ in IX.
Rose is soooo much better in the book than in TLJ. She’s a nerdy, neurotic Deadpan Snarker that I found way too relatable tbh. Her technical brilliance is on full display in a very grungy, down to earth way that also leaves her neurotic from her sensr of responsibility for saving Resistance lives. I don’t think it’s even mentioned in TLJ that she built the technology that Holdo used to try and evade the First Order’s detection of the transports. Which makes it just stupid that Rose wasn’t required for their deployment, since it’s a fairly new tech she herself made (DID I MENTION SHE’S BRILLIANT) and in the book she was in charge of a whole team of flight engineers to get it working right.
Maybe the technology was on its feet by TLJ so it didn’t require her to be so hands on, but it still makes 0 sense that Holdo didn’t keep her close to supervise the deployment of the plan that was supposed to save the fucking Resistance. In fact, from her actions in TLJ Rose didn’t even know of the existence of the plan, which given her technical role makes it look like Holdo deliberately cut her out–which shows yet again that Holdo is a terrible leader who would rather hold her precious secrets close than give the Resistance the best possible chance.
But yeah, Rose and Paige are great and their relationship is the heart of the book. I wish we’d gotten to see them play off this other in the movie, yet another wasted opportunity.
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