As far as I care, the poor Ben did nothing wrong uwu crowd don’t actually like Kylo Ren–they like the fanon version of him in their heads, Kylo in leather pants if you will.
I’ve been seeing a lot of people talk about a time skip for Episode IX, and interestingly enough, both sides keep settling on 6-8 months.
Personally, I hope not.
The ST already feels like weekend at Bernie’s, and it’s not longer feeling like the epic episodic stories, and more like Johnson’s episode of the BB “The Fly”. Glorified filler.
The OT had 4 years pass during it.
The PT had 13 years pass during it.
Even anthology movies like R1 and Solo had a long passage of time.
Narratively speaking, a longer time skip, a few years for example, leaves Lucasfilm more room for stories between the jump, world building, and development for the ST characters, and building up both factions in the War.
Leia building up her army for the New Republic and gather allies for the Resistance, and Benny Boy consolidating his position as leader due to power vacuum undoubtably caused by Snoke’s death.
The only other option I could think for a short time skip would be if IX is a 2nd part movie or if IX is the Attack of the Clones of this mess of a ST and Star Wars will turn into and bulging movie is covering the 2nd galactic civil war.
Otherwise, the ST is gonna span only a couple months and be known as just the shittiest year ever.
I think a long time skip can work with the guerilla warfare aspect that Oscar discussed. Leia has outright said in the latest Poe Dameron comic that the Resistance is down to a dozen people on the Millennium Falcon. The Resistance was never that big in the first place, nothing like the Rebellion at its peak, and was, let’s be real, functionally wiped out in TLJ. They don’t just need to rebuild, they need to build from scratch a force that has a snowball’s chance in hell against the First Order. That’s not going to be easy work, and we may be watching in IX at least the tail end of their efforts to build an anti-FO coalition. That would make for some really fun between-movies material too in the mode of The Clone Wars.
Also, Kylo’s trauma from his uncle considering killing him for .1 second makes him a soft boy who can’t be held accountable for any of his heinous actions, while Finn’s lifetime of trauma makes him a scary obsessed stalker who should stay far away from Rey in any romantic sense.
Not to mention, Kylo’s trauma doesn’t exist. The whole reason Luke considered killing him was because “Snoke had already turned his heart”. And Kylo proved him right by fighting after Luke lowered his weapon. Kylo had been planning to betray Luke well before Luke became suspicious. When Kylo turned and saw Luke’s lightsaber ignited, he didn’t get scared. He got caught.
Meanwhile, Rey “I’m not giving you anything”-“get out of my head”-“murderous snake”-“don’t do this. Don’t go this way” of Jakku isn’t being harmed by Kylo Ren just because the writers went a little overboard on making her special.
And simultaneously, Rey “you can’t go. I won’t let you.”-“don’t go.”-“you came back for me”-let me just lay here in the snow and die with my man-“we will see each other again”-“thank you my friend”-“if you see Finn before I do” of Jakku is afraid of, and being stalked by Finn. 🙄
I don’t blame Kylo for fighting Luke or bringing down the hut on him regardless of his evilness or intention, because when Luke brought down his saber it could still be seen as him trying to strike Kylo. (Because the greatest living Jedi Master somehow doesn’t know how to turn off his lightsaber? Sounds fake, but let’s roll with it.) I would not have blamed Kylo for killing Luke, either. But Kylo’s slaughtering other the students who did nothing to him is clearly nowhere in the region of justifiable and shows long planning and premeditation.
So you’re right, absolutely, that he was caught before a premeditated attack, but I don’t put it past him to be still be traumatized by the encounter and what he did in the aftermath. There is zero conflict between him being a mass murderer and being heavily traumatized, since perpetrator trauma is a known phenomenon (link) and suffering does not ennoble a person.
Yes on all your other points. Jason Fry himself, though I have a ton of problems with him, has explicitly debunked the reylow fiction that he said Finn needs to overcome his affection for Rey. And can you believe that reylows say Rey was trying to let go of Finn during their hug and Finn wouldn’t let her 😂 So what was Rey holding her hand out to Finn, hugging Finn first, collapsing on top of an unconscious Finn, and kissing his forehead–did he Force pull her or some shit? Ooh wait, did they just confirm Force-sensitive Finn?
Reylows are still chugging that “hate Poe” juice hard, I see.
This is literally the first result when you search for Episode IX. It’s right there in the Poe tag for fans looking for content about him, too. You should block this user if you don’t want to see their scintillating contribution to the tags.
And no, LF is not going to spoil a major character’s death in a comic lmaoooo the comic excerpt was about Poe growing beyond being just a pilot. The scene this narration leads into is literally a discussion between Leia and Poe about being a pilot and being a leader.
But saying Poe is not a main character and will die is not a new thing for this user and those who agree with them:
Redemptive… death. Redemptive death. So let me get this straight, it’s not the mass murderer and torturer who needs redemption and/or death, it’s his victim who needs to die, redeeming himself for unspecified crimes. It’s just more of the “Poe is an extremist and just as bad/worse than Kylo” nonsense, the kind of bullshit RJ was on.
Inconveniently for the people riding the Dameron death train, here’s something from K. Kennedy herself:
Future stories beyond Episode IX with… Poe. And even if Kennedy is on the way out, as I personally hope, there’s the fact that JJ Abrams–you know, the guy directing IX?–nixed the character’s death in TFA so he could get Oscar on board. As one does.
Idk what it is these fans have against Poe–he’s not a main character, he’s the real bad guy, he’s gonna die–but all they do is make themselves look more ridiculous and desperate with every nonsensical “argument.”
So Finn is Force sensitive right? Right. But it still needs to be confirmed/revealed in 9. How?
I’ve been thinking it might be kinda cool if they did a callback to how Luke heard Obi Wan telling him to use the Force during the Death Star run but this time with Luke talking to Finn.
I’m just spit balling here but from the leaked pics we know that Finn, Poe and Chewie go somewhere in the Falcon. There’s no way to know when in the movie those scenes are going to be but for the sake of this speculation I’m going to assume (based on nothing, lol) that they are close to the beginning. So Finn, Poe and Chewie are in the Falcon on their way to whatever planet we see them on in the pics. On their way there they fall under attack. Poe and Chewie fly the ship while Finn mans he gun since, as we saw in TFA, he’s an ace gunner. The Falcon takes a hit that knocks out the targeting thingy on his gun. Finn fires sans targeting thing and misses, he starts to panic a bit as they are losing shields and won’t be able to take many more hits. Then all of a sudden Finn hears a calm voice: “breathe, just breathe….now use the Force Finn”. He does and destroys the last target in one shot.
Anyway…obviously this is complete speculation. I have no idea how FS Finn is going to be revealed in 9. It had just better happen early on and Finn better actually get to use the Force in 9.
This would be amazing and I think Mark Hamill, being one of John/Finn’s biggest supporters, would be into it.
In The Last Jedi, Boyega says, Finn’s reasonable facility with the saber is not further explicated. “But you never know,” he says. “I talk to Mark Hamill sometimes and he tells me stories about how he wasn’t told about the ‘Darth Vader is his father’ situation until he got on set.
I always felt like Mark was trying to reassure John that he could still be FS. They both seemed disappointed that they didn’t get to share screen time in TLJ. But since that’s done and can’t be changed (unless JJ retcons, which I would be equally cool with), it would make it even more powerful if Luke spoke to Finn through the Force in EpIX.
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