What the baby could mean: Rey’s origins explained, flashbacks for any of the characters, perhaps Finn’s origin story
What rey/los want: oMG rEy iS prEgGers
Or could just be a baby. Just a baby.
There was a toddler in Rogue One
I wish we could go one (1) day without rey/lows expressing their misogyny and their lack of interest into the star wars saga or the characters that doesn’t revolve around Kylo’s dick, honestly.
It makes crap sense from a story point of view and JJ was never about that. I could see him be pressured into a Benny boy redemption perhaps, only Kathleen appears to be the only one who’s interested in that and her position at the moment looks, shall we say somewhat precarious. Especially when you add that Disney who’s the overruling factor in this is interested in one thing and one thing only, making money.
And so far, investing in Benny boy has been a really bad deal over all. The Kylo Ren merch post-TFA is still knocking about in some stores because it sold so badly. TLJ may not exactly have flopped but it certainly under performed according to expectation which should hammer home that overfocus on Benny boy is never going to be a seller. TFA with its focus on Finn and Rey made Disney 2 billion dollars, TLJ with its focus on Ben Yolo undershot expectations with several hundred millions.
So Reylo and Benny boy redemption doesn’t just make fuck all sense storywise, it makes for really bad business sense too.
But let me for a second entertain the thought that reylo did become canon, I always did enjoy thought experiments, it would be the one thing that would kill Star Wars stone dead for me. TLJ came close, but it was really just a case of extreme shiptease with Rey slamming the door in Kylo’s face at the end of the day, because she’d found a place and people who cared about her for her unlike Kylo.
But if they pair the leading woman off with a neo Nazi allegory, never mind how “redeemed” I’m out. Permanently.
Not gonna happen though. My money is still on canon Finnrey, with a lesser amount on single!Rey and some ambiguous Finnpoe. You know, Korrasami style ending. Disney is ten years behind everyone else and doesn’t have the guts to make open Finnpoe canon. They’ll claim it’s because China, but really it’s the homegrown homophobes they’re trying to placate.
But I’m wandering off topic.
Tl;dr Canon reylo isn’t happening.
Here’s the other thing too–even if Reylo does happen by some incomprehensible long shot, that doesn’t make it an okay pairing or anywhere close to being in the realm of acceptability.
This is the other thing that Reylos don’t seem to understand. They think the issue boils down to whether or not the ship is canon, and that people who don’t like the pairing are angry abt it being canon in lieu of what they choose to ship, when the truth has always been that the ship is bad, period. Even if it becomes canon tomorrow, it’s a bad ship, based on bad storytelling and a horrendous mischaracterization of literally everyone involved.
There are plenty of ships that are technically still canon, but are objectively bad, and reylo would be one of them if it were to become a reality in the next movie. Thankfully, and perhaps hopefully, it won’t.
Biggest joke about Reylos trying to spin Jason’s Fry’s words as evidence of how Finn is the true bad guy in Rey’s life and how it is Finnrey and not Reylo that is the unhealthy and obsessive ship. Is that if Jason Fry has said something close to “He was a brainwashed child solider” about Kylo.
Then Reylos would be posting it on every social media site about how this is prove that Kylo choose to mind rape Rey, emotionally and mentally torment her, physically attempt to kill her more than once. And tell her that she is nothing/imply that he is the only one who can see her worth or attempt to break her down emotionally like he cares about her despite her coming from nothing, as a form of manipulation to get her to join his side.
They would be posting every where about how Kylo’s a verbal,mental, and emotional abuse of Rey should be given a free-pass and exonerated.
It is BS that Finn’s feelings towards Rey are in anyway negative. But, Jason Fry still gave an explanation for why he said that about Finn and it is the same type of excuse that Reylos have been using to woobify Kylo.
Dude….threatening someone with violence is not okay. This is not romantic…stop. She’s literally cringing in pain.
“Aw he’s carrying her!”
Bruh….do you know what a rufee is? The date rape drug? He forcibly held her in place, forced his way into her mind, knocked her unconscious, kidnapped her, then brought her onto the ship of the mass murdering organization he works for.
“Kylo Ren was so gentle and caring to Rey! The interrogation scene is filled with sexual tension!”
Rey is literally crying as Kylo Ren invades her mind without her permission. He is openly mocking her loneliness and her desire for a father. This is as degrading as you can get. It’s Mind rape
“You shouldn’t be throwing accusations of rape around!!!!!! He was being gentle!”
Director and writer of TFA, JJ Abrams, creator of Kylo Ren and Daisy Ridley, explains to actors Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley explaining that the interrogation scene is a violent mind rape and an invasion of Rey’s mind that fills her with shame.
“Rey can forgive Kylo Ren for that! He was only following Snoke’s orders!”
Here is Rey crying and screaming as Kylo Ren murders his father, Han Solo, in cold blood in front of her. Han Solo was unarmed and begging for his son to come home.
“Kylo Ren has never physically hurt Rey! Even when could! He was so gentle to her!
Kylo Ren just force pushed her into a tree hard enough to literally cause her to be unconscious the fall several feet below into the cold snow. The effects of that physical assault can leave Rey with a concussion, broken bones, fractured spine, and depending how long she is unconscious in the snow, brain damage and hypothermia.
After being kidnapped by Kylo Ren, Rey cries on top of Finn’s dying body. The only person in Rey’s life who had ever gone back for her. Finn had his back sliced open by Kylo Ren after Finn went to defend Rey after Kylo assaulted her and killed Han Solo. Rey is now trapped on a soon to be exploding planet with her only friend dying beside her. All because Kylo Ren kidnapped her. She doesn’t try to run. Rey just lays her head on Finn’s body and accepts that this is the end.
“But TLJ made Reylo Canon!!!!!”
After getting manipulated by Snoke and lied to by Kylo Ren, Rey still offers him a chance to come back to the light and in tears begs him not to kill her friends. Kylo Ren tells her she is nothing and that her parents were filthy junk rats who didn’t love her. He then asks her to help him kill all of her friends and his uncle.
“He was just desperate for Rey to join him! Kylo Ren would never hurt her…again!!!”
After LEADING an attack to kill Rey, her friends, his own mother, and uncle, Kylo Ren tells his uncle that he is going to kill Rey and everyone in the Resistance.
In conclusion:
I can’t stop anyone from shipping someone with someone, but there is a giant difference between a crack ship and the madness that I’ve been forced to hear from Reylos. I might hate Rian Johnson, but if he made one thing clear, Reylo is even more fucked uo that I thought. You can’t just deny that both characters equally want the other dead and that Kylo Ren is arguably done the worst things to Rey in her lifetime.
It’s one thing if you’re writing a Smuggler Ben Solo where Rey and Kylo Ren aren’t related, but in canon the only thing he’s done to Rey is disrespect, hurt, torture, threaten, and be a horrible person to her.
And I’m a fan off Kylo Ren and I can admit that. Kylo Ren is not even in the slightest a good person and at this point, deserves to die. That doesn’t mean I hate the character or give actor.
Adam Driver is cool and Kylo/Ben is interesting, but Kylo Ren is just horrible. I don’t even think any of you really even care about Rey or the overall story. I think it’s more of your fantasy and wish Fulfillment for Adam Driver.
Would you actually want to date someone who kidnaps you, kills his father, worships a monster, murders people in cold blood then tortured you mentally and assaults you physically?
If so, please block me.
I think Cersei is a great evil character who has a morally complex story and I think she’s hot, that doesn’t mean I’m going to make excuses for her.
I’m pretty sure if Snoke looked like Adam Driver and Kylo looked like Snoke, Reylo never would if even been a thought.
Shipping Reylo isn’t even the problem, it’s the excuses, crimes ignored, and annoying logic that goes into the ship that gives me a headache. Even sites like TV TROPES or Youtubers just ignore the sheer logic and make up their own reality.
And trust me all ships have their own issues, but c’mon! Look at all that! Those excuses I’ve put are actual things people have said to me.
And once again I don’t hate Kylo or Rey or even Reylo shippers. I’m just asking to STOP making excuses to romantize these horrible acts of violence.
Kylo Ren is not some adorable puppy. Kylo Ren is a 30 year old man and while he has his sympathetic moments, he has done horrible things.
Rey is not anyone, not Kylo, Ben, Finn, or anyone’s reason to be redeemed. She’s her own person who deserves her own story and character arc.
“But Finn and Rey!”
Finn and Rey do have many scenes together and yes care for each other deeply, but Rey’s arc is finding her purpose and Finn’s is finding his place. Their story arcs run close but they exist on their own as well. If anything, that’s my biggest complaint about TLJ. Kylo has no growth and leaves the film just as he came. The same as Rey. That is the only thing with two characters both have in common besides being both white, pale, and use the force.
Beyond that both characters have nothing in common and over reason to even be together. If anything it’s their hatred for the other that is more developed than anything.
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