Why the “Kylo killing Leia would be the last straw” is bs.
Outsude of my post about how it dismisses and downplays Han’s death. There are two other major issues I have with people using this argument.
The first one is this just transparent Kylo woobyfication. We all know that with Carrie sadly gone, LF isn’t going to have Leila’s final movie end with some cheap death at her son’s hand. A repetition of Han’s death. They’re not going to disrespect her memory like that because they know it won’t go down well with viewers. So this is just a transparent way to excuse anything Kylo does do.
Oh he murdered a bunch more innocent civilians and children and tortured a couple more. But see, he didn’t kill his mom. This proves there’s still good him. Forget he was fine with her dying in TFA. We wouldn’t forgive everything he does. So our breaking point is going to be the one thing we are almost completely assure won’t happen.
But it’s also really disrespectful towards Leia’s character. Like the worse thing Kylo could do this how mother is kill her.
Forget Kylo has hurt Leia time and time again. Do you think him murdering those kids and forcing her own brother into self exile didn’t hurt her? Do you think him supporting an organization that committed the same mass genocide her own planet faced didn’t hurt her? Do you think him destroying the legacy not only she worked all of her life for, but her parents and people died for didn’t hurt her? Killing an unnarned old family friend? Torturing innocent people? Trying to murder others?
Do you think him in cold blood murdering his own father, someone she begged to go to Kylo didn’t hurt her?
Kylo has hurt Leia time and time again. At this point Kylo just putting a literal knife to her heart would be more merciful than what he’s actually done to Leia.
If any of you actually cared about Leia you wouldn’t be saying any of that “well at least he hadn’t killed his mother”.
Guess what? He already did kill his mother the moment he killed those padawans and joined the First Order.
Tag: srsly
Yknow i was holding out for the last jedi… I wanted to like it but it has some problems I cant ignore.
Considering
Finn was the main character in the force awakens (dont even try to
argue against this, no matter how bad you want it to be otherwise, finn
had the most lines and the story centered around him until the very end)
and he was heavily implied by marketing to become a Jedi, he really
isnt featured in this movie that much.Like it wouldnt hurt as
much if rey was the main character, with finn being the secondary main
character. That would feel more honest and casual. But it really seems
like they are doing something worse. He isnt being treated like a main
character at all.He is being treated like a side character
with Kyle being the secondary main character. This is what happened to
Lando in Return of the Jedi, and look at him.Lando was set
up at the end of Empire Strikes Back to take up the Han role. But in
Return of the Jedi, Han was brought back in the first like 5 minutes,
and Lando was treated like a side character for the rest. They pushed
him to the side to give Han more screentime. That was just the
beginning of their erasing Lando. Now he isnt in the new trilogy at
all. Not even a fucking little.They are now doing the same to
Finn. It started with the bait and switch at the last minute of Force
Awakens, and now the marketing and the film studio, hell even the
fanbase pushing to whiten the franchise is going full speed. This is a
problem that has existed in Star Wars, and almost all film franchises
forever. This is what allows Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy to be
praised as pioneers of diversity while doing less than the bare minimum.For
a movie that wont shut up about how “unique” or “shocking” it is, the
way it treats its former black lead is predictable as hell.Sure
they might say they like Finn, but their talk is cheap. It’s very
clear that lucasfilm and the fanbase are obsessed with Kyle, and will
push Finn to the side to give him and the other white characters the
most focus possible.Are we supposed to be grateful Finn has a
role at all? Are we supposed to be grateful they have non white
characters? Are we supposed to be grateful for the bare minimum?These
are valid concerns, it has happened before. It happens all the time,
and will continue until we do something about it. You cant expect me to
just sit by and let this happen after star wars claimed to be pushing
for diversity.You
may have noticed I havent wrote Kyle’s real name. Thats because his
stans are so stubbornly irrational in their refusal to see racism, I
dont want to interact with them by making this searchable for them. And it honestly seems like Kyle stans dont
even understand the basic reasons why we are upset. They think “evil
antis wanna ruin our fun” which I have to say is a little ignorant and
trying too hard to play the victim.The sw franchise has cultivated a
fanbase with racism issues it refuses to recognize. You can ignore
these issues, you can even advocate for their continuation, but I wont
stop. If youre not gonna do something about this, then Im just asking
you to be critical of what you consume.Im not saying you cant enjoy tlj, in fact as a lifelong sw fan, im trying to enjoy it myself. Im saying dont just blindly support
everything the film studio and fanbase does. Their actions have real consequences.#rogueonespoilers
The
star wars movie with the most diverse main cast is the one where they
all die. Lando was erased from the future of the franchise. The han
spin off is the whitest sw thing ive seen in a long time. Dont even get
me started on sw’s glaring lack of women of color or the fanbase.Race does affect star wars. It does
not exist in a vacuum, and it affects the real world. These are serious
issues that shouldnt be glossed over.If youre white and
understand these issues, thank you for reading and feel free to reblog
this. Otherwise, remember it is not your place to tell people of color
what not to get upset about.And to all the white women who were happy Finn was sidelined in favor of Rey? Fuck you too, youre not much better.
#wheresfinn
rian johnson: everyone just relates to kylo ren!!!!
majority of the fandom: pal he murdered innocent ppl
majority of the fandom: he killed his own dad
majority of the fandom: a temple full of padawans…..
rian johnson: well here have this the last jedi (2017) is my take on kylo and how human he is!!! at 20:12 you see him eating a biscuit HE’S JUST LIKE ALL OF US sooo relatable
majority of the fandom: where is finn rian
rian johnson: kylo ren is eating a biscuit
HES 30
I see no issue with saying Kylo Ren is playing a role and struggeling with who he is and that he isn’t a creepy monster behind the mask but just a young regular looking man, who for some reason is full of hate and evil – tbh how so many serial killers turn out to be. Which was btw the entire point of him removing his mask in front of Rey. But all of this HAS NOTHING to do with him being a kid!! He is still 30 years old!! 30 year olds can be confused, 30 year olds can be irrational, mentally unstable and scary …. but that has nothing to do with them being children or adolescents!! There are even specific struggles you can face at that age about adulthood and how you handle yourself as an adult, but that’s what it is about… actually BEING an adult and struggeling with that and NOT maturing from child to adult, wtf!!
He’s 30. An adult. Over 18, over 21.
Driver knows better – hell, he’s been in the damn military.
One of the co-conspirators in the whole Trump affair is 29 and certain commentators were trying to play him off like a kid. Twitter was having none of it last night.
Frankly, fandom should have none of it either. 30 is adult.
Let’s contrast him to his family, shall we?
At 19, his mother was a senator and Rebel spy.
At 19, his uncle blew up the Death Star.
At 19, presumably, his father was in the Imperial Academy learning to fly and then saving Chewbacca (I’m not sure of the timing of old canon Han but let’s guess). At 29, his father was saving his mother and uncle’s life on the Death Star.
At 30, Kylo who is a “vulnerable kid who doesn’t know where to put his energy” is torturing people, cutting down old men in cold blood (Lor San Tekka which frankly none of Kylo’s fans have yet come up with a way to blame for his own death), has been with the fascists we believe at least six years, has murdered his fellow students and destroyed his uncle’s life, broken up his parents’ marriage and then, for the rancid cherry on this sundae of awfulness, decides dear ol’ dad, who is only trying to save his sorry ass, should die because he’s not dark enough yet to “finish what his grandfather started” – btw, whatever in fuck that is because I have NEVER figured out what in the world he meant by that statement.
He’s not saying racist shit in an online forum while sitting in his parents’ basement, he’s out there killing people and leading troops to kill more.
That’s not a “vulnerable kid who doesn’t know where to put his energy” and the idea that Rian “takes it to the next level” is, well, there aren’t any other words for it – appalling.
Blah blah redemption arc. Whatever. He’s not going to pay for anything, is he? Vader spent twenty years in pain in that suit, lost his wife and children for falling to the dark. Then when he was redeemed, only to Luke, he paid with his life.
If Kylo Ren gets to skip off into the sunset after he says “sorry, my bad – I was just a vulnerable kid” – that’s not a message I’m interested in seeing in a movie. I don’t care how many people on this site go on about everyone deserving redemption – NO. Not everyone deserves it. Or we wouldn’t have war crimes tribunals.
If he wants to sit in a jail cell and contemplate the awful shit he’s perpetrated, that’s redemption.
If the sequel trilogy ends with him getting off free and clear, with a trail of dead behind him, then I just don’t understand what we’re supposed to take from these movies. If the stated goal is to blur the line between good and evil, the same way they’re beating into us that the Rebels weren’t the good guys, that Luke is not a hero, that Han never was more than a lowlife, that Leia screwed up and wasn’t a good enough mother because she was busy – I can turn on the damn news and see garbage like that.
Why was the original Star Wars subversive? Because after years of movies where the good guys were often just as bad as the bad guys, after Vietnam and Watergate, Star Wars was a movie about good and evil and choosing between them.
If you say good and evil are the same, it just depends on what side you look at them from, and that a genocidal, patricidal murderer gets off because he’s a white guy of privilege then what in the hell is special about the movies anyway? You’ve turned it into one more grimdark, everyone is bad from a certain point of view, do anything you want and you LIVE FREE no matter what you’ve done so long as you’re the right bloodline (which is not the lesson of Jedi), and we’ll reset it all for the next trilogy so that Rey and Finn’s child can kill one of them and drive the other one off into exile.
Bravo.
Bravo indeed.
Lesbians who used to date men are not lesser lesbians.
Lesbians who used to sleep with men are not lesser lesbians.
Lesbians who identified under other labels are not lesser lesbians.
This ‘Gold Star’ mentality is just like the kind of bull people push on young women during celibate only education programs. It’s the same as the chewed up gum analogy, that women who have sex are dirty or lesser. No woman is lesser for her sexual history. Stop perpetuating that horrendous and damaging idea. There is no ‘Gold Star’ lesbian because lesbians who have had sexual experiences with men are not lesser, or damaged, or dirty.
okay first??? where was rose??
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