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J.J. Abrams Reveals Nazi Origins of ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ Villains

aimmyarrowshigh:

rootbeergoddess:

Okay so apparently people don’t believe me or others when we say that the First Order are basically space Nazis. Here is a link to a direct quote on the subject. 

Are we good now? Can you understand why people don’t want these Star Wars villians being treated as misunderstood babies?

And since people keep being gross about this anyway: JJ Abrams is Jewish. Lawrence Kasdan is Jewish. They are unreservedly allowed, as Jewish artists, to write and design stories that are analogs of Jewish experience and use the fantastic to symbolize their own oppressors. They have every right to be as overt or subtle as they want, too – and they went explicit as fuck, so stop ignoring/minimizing their intentions.

They knew what they were doing when they wrote Phasma and Kylo leading stormtroopers in a pogram against an impoverished village of religious outsiders.

They knew what they were doing when Hux gave a Space Nuremberg Rally.

They knew what they were doing doing when, instead of showing their Space Genocide from outside, we watched the Hosnian victims’ dying, horrified faces – unnamed and unknown, but important.

They knew what they were doing when they decided Kylo’s prize trophy was human ashes.

Furthermore, none of the major actors playing FO characters (Driver, Gleeson, Christie, or Serkis) are Jewish, so regardless of fictional Ben Solo’s fictional heritage – which was an intentional choice on the part of his creators when they wrote him as a poster-boy for the FO/gave him a fucking templar cross for a lightsaber – you’re never “calling a Jew a Nazi if you compare Kylo/Hux/the FO to neo-Nazis!!1!”

Denying Jewish artists the agency and legitimacy of their own stories is gross. Don’t do it.

Don’t talk over Jewish fans who keep fucking pointing out that they’re overtly Nazi allegories.

And for FUCK’S sake, stop stanning fucking Nazis.

(I’d also venture to say – the reason JJ and Rian view Kylo so differently is because, as far as I know, Rian is the goyest of goyim.) 

J.J. Abrams Reveals Nazi Origins of ‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ Villains

It’s going to be annoying watching Rey best Kylo again for the 4th (maybe 5th) time, since apparently Finn can only do one important thing per film: Save the Stormtroopers. If it were possible I would prefer Finn kick Kylo’s ass, and Rey pull off a Father/Daughter Force Kamehameha with Luke against Force Ghost Snoke or something big like that.

themandalorianwolf:

thelastjedicritical:

themandalorianwolf:

While I want a Stormtrooper Rebellion, it’s basically became the go to sole character arc for Finn for people who don’t really put him in the greater scope of things. I want to see Kylo and Finn meet again because they are clear foils to each other. They’re journey began in TFA and it should end IX.

As for Rey, even if Kylo is her cousin, the forced foil TLJ was trying to push just didn’t seem organic. I want Rey on the action, but watching her fight Kylo for the 3rd movie in a row isn’t interesting just because we’ve already seen multiple times that she’s stronger. I hope JJ knows what to do with her.

The problem with Rey is that unlike Finn, she never followed the basic writing elements of the hero’s journey in the first place and by TLJ Johnson just used her as a plot device. Finn wasn’t utilized in TLJ, but that was also his saving grace. You can’t break what you don’t use.

If anything, I think a Finn and Rey vs Kylo and KOR fight would look cool, but JJ will have to put some type of emotion on it to prevent throne room scene part 2.

This is my wish now: Finn and Rey vs. Kylo and the KOR but us getting to know the KOR beforehand.
But Finn vs. Kylo and Rey and Luke fighting Snoke sounds like a cool idea too. Anything but a duel where Rey and Kylo are alone.

I really hope the KOR are actually developed in IX and not just villain canon fodder like the twirling lobsters.

This is really the last chance the characters have to define themselves.

In conjunction with your idea that the FO will be at civil war and mine that the KoR will be acting as enforcers to crush internal dissent–what if Finn and Rey and the others’ early missions involve taking out the KoR so that discontented factions of the FO can rebel?

I will grant that I was basing that post more on what I’d read about cults (I also had no idea that that other post existed). But I was under the impression that the First Order went way deeper into thought control procedures than ordinary citizens of totalitarian regimes went through, like hypnotic conditioning.

The exact nature of Stormtrooper conditioning hasn’t been clarified in the movies, but there does seem to be some highly unethical shit going on using psychiatric technology/mindforming. Terex in the Poe Dameron comics was made outright robotic to keep him in line. The “reconditioning” that Finn was threatened with after Tuanul may have looked something like that.

These techniques don’t seem to be the first resort, however, and mostly the FO seems to rely on more mundane propaganda touting itself as the ultimate good. Finn was mostly a model cadet before his defection, which makes it likely that he would have escaped the more invasive procedures before his disobedience in his first battle.

I mean don’t get me wrong, the kind of story you referenced in your prior ask (link) could be a valid storyline for an escaped Stormtrooper. I just don’t think it’s fair to denigrate Finn’s story based on that one specific mold, since different people react in a range of different ways to survive the unbearable.

themandalorianwolf:

I think the best plot and story for Episode IX would be for the First Order to be going through a civil war due to the power vacuum that was created after the death of Snoke.

A compelling and interesting conflict would be that while the resistance is trying to build a new army, the F0, with significant more forces due to now being the dominant power, is struggling to stay unified because of the imperials who don’t want to follow Hux and Kylo. Both characters are equally hated by imperials and troopers, though for different reasons, and one of the things keeping the FO unified was Hux and Kylo’s melted sugar daddy, but now that he’s dead there is nothing stopping I Civil War because of power struggles.

In the final issue the Poe Dameron comic we see just how against the Imperials are with the idea of Hux being the leader, and they don’t even factor in Kylo as an option. The FO was never an organization united, and I think if JJ Abrams wants to connect this trilogy when it is so disconnected, A great story elements would be showing the realistic consequences of Snoke’s death.

We saw the Republic at war in the prequels, we saw the Sith empire fight the Jedi in the old republic, and we saw galactic civil war in the OT, but we have never seen imperials fight imperials. At least not on the big screen: I think I could be an interesting story for IX.

I’d love this, but what would Hux’s role be? We saw what happened when he stood up to KR, so it seems unlikely he’d be in open revolt. If we see the Assholes of Ren in IX they’ll likely be acting as enforcers to crush not only Hux but any kind of dissent. Under these circumstances I think slowly mounting discontent with Ren’s incompetence and dictatorial style is likelier, with the Stormtroopers hardest hit at the bottom of the military rung. This pressure could culminate in factional war and possibly a Stormtrooper uprising the moment the Supreme Asshat shows weakness. Let soldiers go hungry and fail to convince them there’s any point to their deaths, and they’ll decide you’re the enemy.

jewishcomeradebot:

Why would Kylo try to get away from the First Order in EpIX?

It makes neither story nor character sense. We see him in TFA running his own independent mission, openly disregarding Snoke’s orders time and again. In TLJ we see him willingly take power in the First Order and assume the mantle of Supreme Leader.

He wants to lead the First Order. He wants to use is capabilities to burn down everyone and everything in the galaxy that does not comply with his own narrow understanding of “how things should be”. 

From the moment we meet him until the ending of TLJ Kylo is shown to want only one thing, power. Power to do what he wants to do, to rule because he thinks its his right to do so (because he’s Darth Vader’s grand son).

He’s not going to try and get away from the First Order. He wants the position he has.

There are people who say that? The most I saw floating around Reylowverse was the (still utterly ridiculous) idea that Rey and Kylo will be exiles from the Resistance and FO respectively for their actions in TLJ and then will meet up. This has been debunked, of course, by the announcement that Finn and Rey are teaming up again in EpIX. Maybe that’s why they’re taking the fallback position that Kyle will get away from the organization he took such great effort to take over? It doesn’t make any story sense either way whether he’s kicked out or leaves, like talk about a letdown after we watched him scheme and fight his way to the throne. For a crowd who supposedly love TLJ so much they sure seem eager to undo one of its crucial developments.