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hey I’m starting a girl gang of lesbians, we’re gonna wear spiked leather jackets and beat up people who tell bi girls that they’re only bisexual because “guys think it’s hot”. reblog if you want in.
fantastic, our numbers are growing. next on the agenda is fistfighting TERFs and anyone else who disrespects trans women. we meet in the Dennys parking lot at dawn.
Jfc terfs have no interest fist fighting you
“No interest fist fighting you” says the person that supports a movement dedicated to harrasing, stalking, doxing, attacking and even wanting to eradicate all existence of trans women. Your tactic of seeming passive is a common ploy by terfs to make us seem like “violent males” (as they have called it) and an attempt to invalidate our more than justified anger about your hate for us. Transphobia in it’s self is an act of violence. A fist in the face is minor compared to a group of people that would love to see us dead. If you truly have no interest in fighting us then you better start denouncing the transmisogynist bullshit. Otherwise don’t pretend to be shocked when people have finally had enough. Transphobia is in the same vein as racism and homophobia etc. and those that inflict such rhetoric will be met with the appropriate resistance if necessary.
I too, am down for fist fighting Terfs behind a Denny’s at dawn.
It’s too bad trans girls are in so much danger from police and social violence because otherwise they’d be the perfect group to push the envelope on “Free the Nipple”.
Unless they get their gender markers changed they’re legally allowed to be topless in public.
Except we’re not even apparently legally allowed to do that:
“Andrea Jones was arrested for indecent exposure after taking her shirt off after the Morristown Driver’s License Office refused to change her sex from male to female on her driver’s license.”
Numerous trans women over the years, with or without their legal markers changed, have been arrested for public indency for toplessness, in states where men can be topless, before being charged and jailed with men.
The state has absolutely no problem using unfair double standards to punish trans women just for existing.
If you’ve ever wanted a perfect example of why the term “transmisogyny” exists, here you go. Trans women are only called male when people want to insult us or put up a convenient roadblock. All the other times we’re regarded as a lesser class of woman.
Thiisss. Transmisogyny is being treated like a woman but being called a man and being told you shouldn’t complain about how you’re treated because you’re supposedly treated like a man lmao.
My husband told me today, “I really like how good you are at fighting back against terfs. I learn a lot from you.” Like boy??? I’m already married to you why are you coming at me so hard with the seduction??
first of all, check out this (x)post first. it’s required reading.
when you want to indoctrinate someone into an ideology they find repulsive, the first thing you do is introduce them to the themes of that ideology but package it in a way that they’ll accept.
we’ll call the person being groomed to accept TERF ideology the “mark”. con man terminology seems fitting.
If you want to turn them against a group they currently want to protect (we’ll call this group A), then you need to first introduce them to all the arguments you’ll use to demonize group A in a setting where they’ll be open to accepting these arguments.
the easiest way to do this is to use these same arguments and tactics to demonize another group that your mark feels neutral/volatile toward, and we’ll call this group B.
keep the tactics the same, keep your means of propaganda the same- but pick an acceptable target. a target that won’t make your mark feel a defensive gut reaction like they would if you attacked group A off the bat.
as long as you convince your mark that your reasons for despising group B are valid, then if you play your cards right and indoctrinate them deeply enough into hating group B, they’ll be far more open to accepting your ideology when you say that group A is evil for the same reasons as group B.
this is propaganda, cult mentality, and scapegoating 101.
but the most important factor in this is making sure all of your arguments used against group B are nearly identical to those used against group A. You slowly get your mark to recognize these arguments as totally logical and valid reasons to despise a group of people, so that when you reveal that group A supposedly shares those traits with group B, your mark won’t be able to claim that your hatred of group A is wrong without also admitting their hatred of group B was also wrong. and at this point, your mark will be so deeply entrenched in a hatred for group B that their pride and anger won’t allow them to admit that their hatred isn’t grounded in logic.
they’ll declare group A to be their enemy sooner than they’ll swallow their pride and admit they were wrong to hate group B.
this is why TERF’s are almost exclusively ace exclusionists, and why there’s screenshots floating around of TERFs admitting that ace exclusionism helped them “realize” that TERF ideology was “right”.
“WORDS MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS WHEN YOU CHANGE THEM, SO IT DOESN’T MATTER IF ACE EXCLUSIONIST RHETORIC READS JUST LIKE TERF RHETORIC BUT WITH ‘TRANSGENDER’ SWITCHED WITH ‘ASEXUAL’!”
The fact that TERFs and acephobes used the same arguments couldn’t be more relevant, because you’re being groomed to accept these arguments as being logical so that you’ll be susceptible to recruitment when you see the same argumentative points coming from TERFs.
“All the studies claiming they face housing discrimination and sexual assault for their identity are fake, they’ve been debunked!”
“They only reason ANY LGBT organization acknowledges them is because they feel THREATENED by them!”
“They’re our oppressor, and any violence they face is only because society associates them with us! So it’s their own fault for having a fetish for pretending to be oppressed! What few assaults happen would stop if they just dropped the facade and admitted they’re privileged.”
“They’re ‘educaiting’ MINORS about their bullshit labels. They’re trying to get CHILDREN involved in their weird oppression fetish, am I the only one who finds that really predatory?”
“The fact they’re so obsessed with entering our spaces when we feel unsafe around them literally proves that they’re no different from any other member of our oppressor lmao”
if i hear “That peer-reviewed nation wide study was debunked in three paragraphs by a 16 yr old on tumblr! so those victims of oppression don’t actually exist” one more fucking time.
remember that time discourseprincesa, a cis girl, called for the deaths of a handful of specific trans women who’d pointed out these similarities while acephobes defended her doing so and cheered her on. yeah
someone reblog this with screenshots of one of the “Yeah, acephobia led me into radical feminism” incidents.
acephobes. you’re literally being desensitized to TERF talking points. trans women keep warning you, TERFs keep making ace exclusionist blogs to try and convert you. TERF methods are inherently wrong whether they’re used against trans women or asexuals, because these methods are literally designed specifically to discredit an oppressed group so that violence against them isn’t taken seriously.
little TERFs in training. TERFlets.
“someone reblog this with screenshots of one of the “Yeah, acephobia led me into radical feminism” incidents.“
You mean like this.
I’ve been asking for receipts on this for a while. Here’s one.
eww 😦
This is what I mean when I talk about that all
This shit leads back to terfs.
It’s because authoritarians need to try to convert other people that look like and sound like them to being authoritarians too, otherwise they don’t feel safe.
I’m reminded of something Stephen Fry said during an interview:
Yes, I’m drawing a direct parallel between homophobia and the transphobia and ace exclusionism you see demonstrated by TERFs and aphobes. It’s all bigotry being expressed by authoritarians.
Every time someone has the word rad/radical in their url: it’s time to play ‘are they a gross fucking transmisogynist or do they just like gnarly 90s surfer slang’. Or as I like to call it: Surf or TERF?
can’t talk about periods because it “triggers” trans women
can’t talk about their vaginas because it “triggers” trans women
can’t talk about issues in other parts of the female reproductive system because cissexism, transphobia and it “triggers” trans women
can’t talk about how they don’t like penises because it hurts trans womens feelings
can’t talk about their attraction to female body parts because not every female has [insert body part] and it may hurt trans womens feelings
has to overcome her sexual boundaries because penises are “female organs”
[insert more]
It would be a constant walk on eggshells. They would be always at risk of getting called a cisbian/cissexist/transphobe and so on. We know how gendershits react if you say the “wrong” things. It can be very dangerous.
So who benefits from all this?? Hint: Not lesbians
I’m a trans woman in a relationship with a girl.
– When she talks about her period, I listen. If she is on her period, I offer her support and try to make her comfortable in any ways I can. I’ve thought a thousand times about how I don’t have a female reproductive system, I’m quite used to it – the word ‘period’ isn’t going to upset me. All it means is I can’t talk from experience about periods, so I might start to feel uncomfortable in social situations where such discussion is taking place.
– We have frequent discussions about vaginas, the female reproductive system, issues that target women with a female reproductive system, and about the female body and how beautiful it is. It doesn’t trigger me. At most, it makes me slightly impatient for the later stages of my transition.
– My partner doesn’t particularly dislike penises, but if she told me she doesn’t like them, my response would be something like “me neither.”
– If my partner’s sexual boundaries excluded penises then I would be fine with that, there are plenty of other ways in which to enjoy each other’s bodies.
And the whole egg shells things – Yes, there are many sensitive issues that I have, and I do often get upset about things while my girlfriend is around. For example I was watching her get dressed, and I noticed how well clothes fit her, then I got upset about how my proportions don’t lend themselves so well to female clothing. But I wasn’t there calling her transphobic for getting dressed in front of me? I wasn’t blaming her for how I was feeling? Everybody has sensitive issues, it would be difficult to find a partner who doesn’t have at least a couple of issues that might come up in day to day life; just because trans women may have a concentration of these issues around certain areas doesn’t mean we aren’t viable as female partners?
I’m not saying every trans woman is the same as me (though, looking at other comments people have made, many of us seem to have a similar outlook), what I’m saying is that any number of these supposed reasons may or may not apply to any given trans woman, so they aren’t not reasons enough to rule out trans women as potential partners.
It still stands that for a lesbian (or anyone who dates women) to say, outright, that they don’t date trans women, is transphobic. Even if your standard of woman, or the types of women you’re attracted to might rule out many trans women, there are thousands of trans women whom you wouldn’t know aren’t cis without being told, so to rule those out just because they’re trans is definitely transphobic.
To conclude, all your points are flawed and you need to learn some things.
I’m a cis girl attracted to girls. I am in a relationship with a trans women
– When I’m on my period curled up in pain, she curled around me and tells me she would take the pain away if she could. She gets me a hot drink and chocolate and watches films with me. I don’t hide it from her, she knows how her body works and she’s getting use to how mine works. Not every women has periods, trans or cis.
– We are in a sexual relationship of course we’re going to talk about vaginas, aside from this we talk in general if she has any questions I’ll answer them.
– I don’t have an issue with penises. If I did there are plent of other sexual ‘adventures’ you can have with people.
– Why can’t I talk about an attraction to ‘female’ body part? She’s with a girl she clearly appreciates them too!
As the women above stated my girlfriend has somethings she will get upset about, I know what these are and try to minimise her upset. I know she thinks she’s too tall and wishes she was closer to my height. No matter what happens she can’t change her height, I tell her how amazing her height is, I try to help her accept who she is. She’s got beautiful long legs every time we are out and she’s got her legs out and heels on people approach her and tell her how jealous of her legs they are, sometimes it’s small steps to acceptance that helps her.
Stop generalising trans women. So what if someone other than you benefits from something?
I love my gorgeous girlfriend.
Many many many women love transwomen, again as the lady said above refusing to date a trans person is transphobic. End of story.
I love how cis and trans lesbians came in and ripped this transphobe apart.
Is op alive?
Yes, 911? I just witnessed a murder.
i hate transphobes. they are literally the worst. they’re also dumb as shit. like, their arguments make no sense. like, where do you draw the line for womanhood? not all cis women have periods, or breasts, or a uterus or vagina. so if you don’t have to have those parts to be a cis woman, why would a trans woman have to?
not all cis women produce estrogen. some of them use store-bought, some of them don’t have it at all. if that doesn’t make them not women, why would it make trans women not women?
without doing extensive testing, we have no idea how many cis women have xx chromosomes. but we do know that cis women don’t all have xx chromosomes.
where do you draw the line? i’ll tell you. the circle is labeled “women” and the people who go inside that circle are the people who say they are women
The problem, OP, is not having a vagina and talking about it. The problem is acting like these attributes are the defining attribute of womanhood.
No love,
Trans dude married to a man who does all these things with his husband and is still manly as fuck while doing it, because it’s who you are not the shape of your junk that matters.
Transphobes are hilarious. Way to strawman and then cry over the strawman. Maybe come back when you have an actual argument.
something i feel doesn’t get highlighted enough when we circulate sylvia rivera’s “y’all better quiet down”speech to the crowd at what would become Pride in ‘73 is that one sentence where she talks about trans women who’ve gotten out of jail, who want to “fight…to become women of the women’s liberation”.
like, that’s such an insight and so valuable when we look at our history, and it flies so boldly in the face of people who claim trans women have had no role in the various women’s movements, gay movements, and so on–or have the temerity to say that we’ve actively hindered it. like, the evidence that we’ve been here the whole fucking time alongside gay men and women at the very least is right there on tape. to say nothing of stonewall. to say nothing of the compton’s cafeteria riot.
and rivera makes it so clear how much of a one-way street that was and continues to be. despite all that work on the street, all that direct action, all that investment not in a liberal “revolution” but in gay power–no one wanted to do anything for these women, who, when they needed help finding housing, healthcare, jobs, etc “write STAR, not the women’s group. they do not write women. they do not write men. they write STAR.”
and god damn if that dynamic hasn’t filtered into today’s politics. like, we’re still doing heavy lifting, we’re still taking the biggest hits from the state, from reactionaries, from anti-gay activists–and some gay folks are for real still out here trying to talk about how transition is and trans people are innately ‘anti-gay’. like, that takes so much nerve and deserves nothing but resentment and anger and direct action in response.
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